Shaman 713 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 Here is the only way the sharks can overcome their playoff problems.... ...Move to Toronto, rename them the Leafs and call every year without the cup a rebuilding year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzersyukstromberg 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 They need to dump 'Jumbo' Joe right now, and move on to another cast of superstars. The guy is a career playoff choker...Boston realized and moved him out of town. Also, what the hell ever happened to Jonathan Cheechoo. Talk about a collapse...or maybe he was more of a 'one year wonder'. Overall though, I am loving every minute of their demise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 They should throw the entire team into Pelican Bay or San Quentin. Also, the GM should be forced to commit seppuku. Other than that, I don't think they should make any big changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 For me, it comes down to Marleau, Thorton and Nabokov... Get a new goalie, take Patty's C away, and as for Thornton? I'm like Esteef: Who cares? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 Move Marleau for a real winger that can help Joe. Re-sign Ryane Clowe and JR. Keep Luckowich and Boyle, Blake looks done. Get a new goalie or find a new goalie coach for Nabby. Get some real leaders, and change the team dynamic. I'd say a coaching change but 53 wins for McLennen as a 1st year? Woah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncle ovipositor 6 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) you have to either move Marleau or Thornton, they changed some personnel last season and it got them no where. Not that I would be necessarily angry if they did nothing, seeing them choke is fun to watch ... says the guy who's team didn't even make the playoffs... It's going to be interesting to see what happens. A lot of people thought the old coach was the problem. I always thought it was that there were glaring holes in the line-up that could at least partially be addressed by spending some $$$. And yet here we are. There are a lot of good players that can be depended on and should stay. Boyle was a huge addition. Huge. Mitchell coming back helped a lot in the finals (not enough, obviously). Vlasic has a big career ahead of him, in spite of the huge-and-as-of-yet-unannounced hip injury that slowed him up this season. Pavelski, Clowe, and Setagochi are all young guys with a big future. Marleau and Joe are both solid second line guys and one should stay. But there needs to be someone else playing on the top line that is a serious contender. As far as who goes, well, there are some easy answers there. Mihaleck has never delivered, for reasons I'm unclear on. Cheechoo is an excellent third-line guy who had one fluky season that put his expectations (and salary) well above what he could possibly deliver on. Blake would be great at half the price. It'll be interesting how this plays out. Edited April 28, 2009 by uncle ovipositor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M0DAN01999 6 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 ... says the guy who's team didn't even make the playoffs... It's going to be interesting to see what happens. A lot of people thought the old coach was the problem. I always thought it was that there were glaring holes in the line-up that could at least partially be addressed by spending some $$$. And yet here we are. There are a lot of good players that can be depended on and should stay. Boyle was a huge addition. Huge. Mitchell coming back helped a lot in the finals (not enough, obviously). Vlasic has a big career ahead of him, in spite of the huge-and-as-of-yet-unannounced hip injury that slowed him up this season. Pavelski, Clowe, and Setagochi are all young guys with a big future. Marleau and Joe are both solid second line guys and one should stay. But there needs to be someone else playing on the top line that is a serious contender. As far as who goes, well, there are some easy answers there. Mihaleck has never delivered, for reasons I'm unclear on. Cheechoo is an excellent third-line guy who had one fluky season that put his expectations (and salary) well above what he could possibly deliver on. Blake would be great at half the price. It'll be interesting how this plays out. that has nothing to do with this. There were many reasons why Dallas didn't make the playoffs but this is not the place to discuss this, this is thread about San Jose's problems not Dallas'. Also just because Dallas didn't make the playoffs doesn't make my opinion any less true. The fact of the matter is SJ needs to make a major shakeup up or this will keep happening to them, which as a fan of Dallas I don't have a problem with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kwame_Kilpatrick 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 thornton and marleau are both crappy leaders, they have no intensity and marleau especially looks sad 24/7. his facial expression is dumb. i laughed when people said joe thornton was being 'intense' all game 5- getzlaf was playing intense all series, you can tell he is the obvious successor to the captaincy in anaheim. natural leader. but you can see why boston ditched thornton he just has no intensity at all. thornton has basically proved he is the worst leader ever and will never win a cup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncle ovipositor 6 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 that has nothing to do with this. There were many reasons why Dallas didn't make the playoffs but this is not the place to discuss this, this is thread about San Jose's problems not Dallas'. Also just because Dallas didn't make the playoffs doesn't make my opinion any less true. The fact of the matter is SJ needs to make a major shakeup up or this will keep happening to them, which as a fan of Dallas I don't have a problem with. It does matter, because as bad as the Sharks may be, they're still better than Dallas. That's why you're so defensive about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaynardJKeenan 1 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 Very sad for shark loosing in first round after winning President trophy. Roenick and Thornton should retire from the hockey club for finally. How dare you disrespect FedOrov by spelling his name wrong. You must be a fan of his for it to be your screen name yet you don't know how it's spelled? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 28, 2009 How dare you disrespect FedOrov by spelling his name wrong. You must be a fan of his for it to be your screen name yet you don't know how it's spelled? My favoritest Wing is Whyzerman. He totally kicks Federov's ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmmthesharks 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) 1. Marleau, Thornton gone. Get leaders that actually show some leadership. 2. Keep Nabby but get a good, solid backup to split the games between the two so Nabby will have more rest come playoff time (Conklin?) Keep Nabby for another year, see how he does, and if he still sucks, trade him. 3. Get rid of Grier, Lukowich, Semenov, and others who underachieved and have for years. 4. As for RFA's, keep Mitchell for sure. Still not sure about Clowe but I'm leaning more towards keep him. 5. Work with Boyle and all the players that they should for sure keep. Boyle and Pavelski look like the two who have potential of being future captains of this team. 6. Possibly get a new GM? Not sure if Wilson is working for us anymore. It all depends on if we can replace him with a better GM. If we can't, then we might as well keep him. Edited April 28, 2009 by hmmthesharks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M0DAN01999 6 Report post Posted April 29, 2009 It does matter, because as bad as the Sharks may be, they're still better than Dallas. That's why you're so defensive about it. there is no use arguing with you but yes Dallas was bad this season but it sure was out of the ordinary for the Stars. Over the past 10 years the Stars along with the Wings, and the NJD have been the most consistent franchises in the league. The Stars had a down year due to injuries to many key players such as Morrow, Richards, and Zubov. I am not mentioning all of the roll players that have had injury problems too. They also had terrible goaltending out of Turco. Be it as you may but sure SJ was better than Dallas this season, that doesn't negate the fact that san jose just can't get it done in the playoffs. If you are okay with just being better than Dallas in an odd year then congrats to them, might as well hang a banner for that. Until SJ makes a change then they will have the same problems they have had in years past. Marleau and Thornton have no heart, without a heart you are never going to win it all. I am done with this because this is tangent to the thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncle ovipositor 6 Report post Posted April 29, 2009 there is no use arguing with you but yes Dallas was bad this season but it sure was out of the ordinary for the Stars. Over the past 10 years the Stars along with the Wings, and the NJD have been the most consistent franchises in the league. ... and yet last year was the first time Turco saw the second round. Very exciting for you. Sorry, but it's like getting razzed by a Thrashers fan. We agree that there's no use arguing with me, but for different reasons. But in fairness to the Stars, I like their team, and they'll be a serious contender next year. How it is that Turco never seems to play well in the playoffs I'll never understand, but I certainly wouldn't argue that the Stars need to be blown up because of their long history of failure. Not because it's to the Shark's advantage, but because there's clearly something there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M0DAN01999 6 Report post Posted April 29, 2009 ... and yet last year was the first time Turco saw the second round. Very exciting for you. Sorry, but it's like getting razzed by a Thrashers fan. We agree that there's no use arguing with me, but for different reasons. But in fairness to the Stars, I like their team, and they'll be a serious contender next year. How it is that Turco never seems to play well in the playoffs I'll never understand, but I certainly wouldn't argue that the Stars need to be blown up because of their long history of failure. Not because it's to the Shark's advantage, but because there's clearly something there. actually in 2003 Turco made it to the 2nd round when we played the Ducks who were the eventual western conference champs but yea he has had a somewhat shaky past but Turco finally seems to be turning his playoff resume around starting in 2007 against the canucks we he posted 3 shutouts but lost the series. but yea, I understand your angle, remember it is just my opinion take as much stock in it as you wish. good luck in future endeavors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted April 29, 2009 I was going to say... Step 1- Get a tee time Step 2- Go golfing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 29, 2009 Fore! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2009 (edited) 1. Marleau, Thornton gone. Get leaders that actually show some leadership. 2. Keep Nabby but get a good, solid backup to split the games between the two so Nabby will have more rest come playoff time (Conklin?) Keep Nabby for another year, see how he does, and if he still sucks, trade him. 3. Get rid of Grier, Lukowich, Semenov, and others who underachieved and have for years. 4. As for RFA's, keep Mitchell for sure. Still not sure about Clowe but I'm leaning more towards keep him. 5. Work with Boyle and all the players that they should for sure keep. Boyle and Pavelski look like the two who have potential of being future captains of this team. 6. Possibly get a new GM? Not sure if Wilson is working for us anymore. It all depends on if we can replace him with a better GM. If we can't, then we might as well keep him. Good list, and with the added cred of coming from a Sharks fan. I agree with just about all of it, although I have to say that I'm surprised it took this long for Wilson to get a couple fingers pointed his way. Maybe they were and I was just unaware of it, but it seems like he's been above criticism for the most part. The most interesting part of this to me is seeing what the market is for Thornton. He's signed through 2010-11 and I still regard him as a top 10 player. The problem is that his playoff rep is pretty well in stone at this point, and his cap number (I think around $7 million) isn't something that's easy for anyone to take on. The rich teams don't have the cap space, especially with it projected to stay about the same next year and maybe go down the year after. And the poor teams don't want to spend the money. It probably won't be an instant reload-type deal because of those things, but hopefully you still get more in return than Boston did*! * All due respect to Stewie, who I like. Edited April 29, 2009 by C-TownWing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted April 29, 2009 How bout some defensemen for whom the first priority is defense? Too many forwards masquerading as defensemen seems like a pretty big problem for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSupafly 50 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 I still like Doug Wilson. Has he made the right moves? Clearly not...but from watching all of his interviews, and actually asking him questions in person, myself, I'm convinced that he is 100% dedicated to bringing the Cup to San Jose and will do whatever it takes to make that happen. As for what to do with this team now? I have no freaking clue. I think you have to look at Marleau and Thornton obviously. Marleau has a no trade clause, so that's tough. Thornton could bring a lot in return, so he may get shipped out. Nabby just hasn't been on top of his game all year. Bad year or a sign of things to come...not sure. Lots of other small pieces that could be tinkered with. Clowe is a guy I want locked up, he plays with grit and finishes around the net. Pavelski I would keep. Michalek should be moved. Cheech can go, but he still is a good 3rd line player. Blake isn't going to get any better. Boyle is a must keep. I'd kill for an Iginla type on the top line. Superstar + Heart. I can't believe I made that last minute drive to socal to see game 6 in person, just to watch them fail again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroMan 3 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 They have already made their first wrong move by keeping their GM. So, let them suffer. Oh, and this is why I don't feel sorry for them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmfqQobIPLA You can't talk smack and call yourself the best if you haven't accomplished anything in your career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingAbner 13 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 that has nothing to do with this. There were many reasons why Dallas didn't make the playoffs but this is not the place to discuss this, this is thread about San Jose's problems not Dallas'. Also just because Dallas didn't make the playoffs doesn't make my opinion any less true. The fact of the matter is SJ needs to make a major shakeup up or this will keep happening to them, which as a fan of Dallas I don't have a problem with. He is exactly right. Would your opinions suddenly become invalid if the Wings didn't make the playoffs? Give the guy a break. He likes Mike Ribeiro, there's obviously something a little off. J/K. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmickeyli 40 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) there is no use arguing with you but yes Dallas was bad this season but it sure was out of the ordinary for the Stars. Over the past 10 years the Stars along with the Wings, and the NJD have been the most consistent franchises in the league. The Stars had a down year due to injuries to many key players such as Morrow, Richards, and Zubov. I am not mentioning all of the roll players that have had injury problems too. They also had terrible goaltending out of Turco. Be it as you may but sure SJ was better than Dallas this season, that doesn't negate the fact that san jose just can't get it done in the playoffs. If you are okay with just being better than Dallas in an odd year then congrats to them, might as well hang a banner for that. Until SJ makes a change then they will have the same problems they have had in years past. Marleau and Thornton have no heart, without a heart you are never going to win it all. I am done with this because this is tangent to the thread Modano, I'm with you, dude. Dallas almost always is in the postseason.. And they make it farther than the first/second round. They have the formula in place more than SJ does -- just had a terribly injury-ridden year. Would rather not win the president's and make a legitimate playoff run than be the reg season leader then flop Edited April 30, 2009 by ilmickeyli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 I say get a new goalie! we all know when a team falters its the goalie fault Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
