Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 I think mostly this has to do with the fact that people don't want to see the Red Wings win again. To be honest, I think it's more a matter of people wanting to see the Pens win. Which is an interesting change of pace, as 99% of the time it's more a matter of people wanting the Wings to lose. The NHL desperately wants the Penguins to dominate this league because, the way they see it in their provincial little world, success for the Penguins (specifically, Sidney Crosby) = success for the league. And, yes, another Wings title = failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NumbaSixty-Six Report post Posted May 29, 2009 :rotflmao: Fedentenko Scored more goals in 2004 playoffs than Hossa and zetterberg Combined atm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Congrats, you're talking up one player's run from five years ago. "You know your team's in trouble when..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Whatever happened to having to win something before being compared to a dynasty? Yes, I realize the comparison is to Edmonton's first Cup team before THEY won anything, but we know in hindsight that they did win, and then won four more after that. It's a little ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Interesting bit. I don't know if anyones mentioned it but I thought this was cool. "Detroit has beaten the Philadelphia Flyers, Washington Capitals, Carolina Hurricanes and Pittsburgh Penguins for its last four Cups. Those would be the three teams the Penguins defeated, sequentially, to reach the finals this season, plus Pittsburgh itself." Ha, that's awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Whatever happened to having to win something before being compared to a dynasty? It's this new generation of youth. As long as they show up for work, they're entitled to results. Other than that, you just have people or journalists out there who need jobs and so their job is to speculate and start gossip or whatever. It gives their life meaning. Oh, and it also attracts attention from people who don't watch hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 No matter how hard the NHL brass and certain media outlets want to make the current Penguins out to be the Oilers of 84 it's a bad comparison. #1 it's a LAZY comparison and they're using it just because the last time two teams met in back-to-back Finals one was the 1984 Oilers with some young superstars. The 1984 cup Final has zero to do with the 2009 Final. 1) The rules are different 2) Pittsburgh has nobody even close to being a Paul Coffey type. 3) Sans Chelios (who may not play) Lidstrom, Draper (who may not play) and Maltby, the age of the Wings stars is very much in line with the age of the Penguins stars. All under 30. The Wings are hardly the old grizzled Islander team in this made up equation. 4) Unlike Grant Fuhr, Marc Andre-Fleury is not a cokehead. 5) The Red Wings aren't coming off of FOUR straight cup championships like the Islanders were which means in no way are they as leg weary. It's even more amazing the Isles did what they did with all the wear and tear on players playing every year into June. It's just a stupid analogy somebody in the NHL PR office started pumping to get people fired up and so they could co-opt the Gretzky era Oilers int he promos all over again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoninJai 5 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 To be honest, I think it's more a matter of people wanting to see the Pens win. Which is an interesting change of pace, as 99% of the time it's more a matter of people wanting the Wings to lose. The NHL desperately wants the Penguins to dominate this league because, the way they see it in their provincial little world, success for the Penguins (specifically, Sidney Crosby) = success for the league. And, yes, another Wings title = failure. Anyone, other than the NHL and the city of Pittsburgh, who wants the Pens to win the Cup this year better be careful what they wish for. Look how insufferable the Pens-jerkoff-media bombing has been so far this year. That's gonna be 1000x worse if they actually do win it. Fans of ANY other team might as well just forget hearing anything about their team, because it's gonna be ALL-SID, ALL THE TIME, pretty much like it is now. I used to like the Pens. I went to school there, and I used to sit on the glass for $5 on student rush days, back when the team sucked. But this constant over-glamorizing has made me hate them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Interesting bit. I don't know if anyones mentioned it but I thought this was cool. "Detroit has beaten the Philadelphia Flyers, Washington Capitals, Carolina Hurricanes and Pittsburgh Penguins for its last four Cups. Those would be the three teams the Penguins defeated, sequentially, to reach the finals this season, plus Pittsburgh itself." Yeah, that is pretty weird. Good pickup there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted May 29, 2009 I agree with the original poster but to compare stats from then to now is ludicrous, the eras are completely different. Scale the stats down from the 80's then- they still had more than 2 elite players... that's what people are getting at. It's no big deal, but you have to understand why people laugh at the comparison to the Oilers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Yeah, that is pretty weird. Good pickup there. So... Pittsburgh is going to beat themselves now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Fedentenko Scored more goals in 2004 playoffs than Hossa and zetterberg Combined atm... Fedotenko scored more goals in 2004 playoffs than himself, Staal, and Kunitz combine atm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tweekvp 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 So... Pittsburgh is going to beat themselves now? No. The next team to lose in a series the penguins play will be the penguins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Ah Gretzky... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Haha... Seriously, this kind of press can't be good juju for the Pens... http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/05/wa...ssier_prer.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Then you sir, Don't know jacks*** about Hockey... I am assuming you thought Ottawa in 2007 was a two man show? Honey, Ottawa was a two-man show in 07 and guess what??? They didn't win the Cup! Looksl ike you don't know jacks*** about hockey either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#19forPresident! 1 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 You're right, they're not, but the delusion gives both the media and the Pens fans a bone to chew on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Anyone, other than the NHL and the city of Pittsburgh, who wants the Pens to win the Cup this year better be careful what they wish for. Look how insufferable the Pens-jerkoff-media bombing has been so far this year. That's gonna be 1000x worse if they actually do win it. Fans of ANY other team might as well just forget hearing anything about their team, because it's gonna be ALL-SID, ALL THE TIME, pretty much like it is now. I used to like the Pens. I went to school there, and I used to sit on the glass for $5 on student rush days, back when the team sucked. But this constant over-glamorizing has made me hate them. ^^^THIS^^^ x1000. And this is where the NHL has screwed itself over. It wanted a star to market. In OVER marketing him, they've turned him into Public Enemy #1 for nearly everyone BUT Pens fans. Fans of Teams all across the NHL couldn't care LESS about the Pens.... But they can't STAND Sidney Crosby, and root against the Pens for that reason alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Fans of Teams all across the NHL couldn't care LESS about the Pens.... But they can't STAND Sidney Crosby, and root against the Pens for that reason alone. Remember, though: people hate the Wings just as much, if not more. I'm not defending the way the NHL is over-marketing Crosby. Just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Remember, though: people hate the Wings just as much, if not more. I'm not defending the way the NHL is over-marketing Crosby. Just saying. This is true - the TSN poll has the Pens favored by about 7% and the media is backing them even though the odds-makers have the Wings as the favorites. You can see the animosity for the Wings and their fans on every message board and comment section online. Success breeds hatred! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Remember, though: people hate the Wings just as much, if not more. I'm not defending the way the NHL is over-marketing Crosby. Just saying. Ahhh.... But when people hate the Wings, they hate the WINGS, as a TEAM. And only because of the monumental success of the Franchise over the past decade and a half. Those who now hate the Pens do NOT hate the PENS, as a TEAM. They hate them solely because of Crosby. Bit of a difference there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plasticIce 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 This may be a dumb question, but why is the NHL so far up Crosby's business end anyway? What does it really get them? A posterboy? I don't understand why they can't market teams over individuals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 The reasons are sort of irrelevant to my point. I'm just saying the antagonism goes both ways; while a lot of people are rooting against the Pens, just as many if not more are rooting against the Wings. That's the story when you get right down to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DraperFan MN 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 I agree with the initial poster's title, but I don't agree with the evidence. Comparing stats from two completely different eras in hockey just doesn't do it. And this comparison many are drawing is very, very presumptuous. If the Pens beat Detroit and Crosby/Malkin go on to win a few cups despite who their supporting cast is, then yeah, maybe you could make that comparison, but even that is a stretch. The Oil made their accomplishments with a core grouping of players who were consistently there, and if there is a current team that could be compared with Edmonton, I would say its Detroit, not Pittsburgh. Detroit IS a modern day dynasty. People shouldn't look any further than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted May 30, 2009 I agree with the initial poster's title, but I don't agree with the evidence. Comparing stats from two completely different eras in hockey just doesn't do it. And this comparison many are drawing is very, very presumptuous. If the Pens beat Detroit and Crosby/Malkin go on to win a few cups despite who their supporting cast is, then yeah, maybe you could make that comparison, but even that is a stretch. The Oil made their accomplishments with a core grouping of players who were consistently there, and if there is a current team that could be compared with Edmonton, I would say its Detroit, not Pittsburgh. Detroit IS a modern day dynasty. People shouldn't look any further than that. The stats I used were intended to show that they had more balanced scoring, a better regular season, and a couple of the best defenders ever to play the game. Not the 2 trick ponies that the Pens are riding to the SCF the last 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
