sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Once again, hossa might be underachieving, but he does have 15 points in 22 games and he does lead the team in takeaways. If that makes him "suck", well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion. But as we all know, opinions are like assholes........everyone has one. Well my opinion points out he has 6 goals in 22 games, and dont forget those goals are in 3 games, he shows up 1 game a series, we pay him to show up EVERY GAME. Wow some people are so freaking blind, there is no hope for them in hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Well my opinion points out he has 6 goals in 22 games, and dont forget those goals are in 3 games, he shows up 1 game a series, we pay him to show up EVERY GAME. Wow some people are so freaking blind, there is no hope for them in hockey. Only an idiot uses a single statistic to judge a player's worth. In Hossa's two best games of the playoffs, he didn't register a single point (one of the games against Columbus and Game 5 against Chicago0. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Well my opinion points out he has 6 goals in 22 games, and dont forget those goals are in 3 games, he shows up 1 game a series, we pay him to show up EVERY GAME. Wow some people are so freaking blind, there is no hope for them in hockey. Rafalski, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, what do they have in common..... All have not played EVERY GAME in the playoffs. Maltby, Draper, Abdelkader, Leino, what do they have in common? Sat down for not pulling their weight.... If he wasnt out there makinga difference in every game he would not be in ... Ask Babcock... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Having followed Hossa since he was an 18-year-old playing for the Portland Winter Hawks, I'll give a simple way to tell if he's injured or not: how many shots he's taking. If he's healthy and not scoring, he still gets shots, they just don't go in. If he's injured, his shot totals drop considerably. Shots in Game 5: 2. Shots in Game 6: 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Has this sherwood40 clown ever watched a game of hockey in his life? I feel sorry for him after reading what he's had to say in this thread. Don't worry about me, I've been playing hockey for 15 years and watching for 20, I know what I am talking about. My eye's are 20/20. Go enjoy your donuts on your couch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Don't worry about me, I've been playing hockey for 15 years and watching for 20, I know what I am talking about. My eye's are 20/20. Go enjoy your donuts on your couch. ever play hurt? or are you a prima madonna like cindy? do you play through pain and are youas effective as you usually are? or do you pull yourself because of a hang nail? Edited June 11, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Hossa has outplayed on the defensive side: Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Hudler, Samuelsson, Kopecky, Leino, Abdelkader Hossa has a better points-per-game ratio than: Cleary, Hudler, Samuelsson, Datsyuk, Holmstrom, Helm, Abdelkader, Leino, Maltby, Kopecky, Draper So the only forwards who have outplayed Hossa going both ways are: Zetterberg, Filppula Zetterberg is the league's best defensive forward and an amazing offensive talent as well. A large portion of Filppula's offense has come from scoring opportunities Hossa has created, and his defense has only been marginally better. Hossa may not be scoring like he did in the regular season, but he has been extremely good defensively; better than he was in the regular season. Hossa has been one of the team's four or five best forwards this playoff run overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Don't worry about me, I've been playing hockey for 15 years and watching for 20, I know what I am talking about. My eye's are 20/20. Go enjoy your donuts on your couch. Oh that's cute. I don't play hockey, so I'm clearly fat. I'm actually 25 years old and have 9% body fat. Tell me more about my life. Listen, grandpa. Playing hockey in your local beer league doesn't give you much insight into how the game is played. The ineptitude you've displayed in this thread is more proof than I could possibly provide with an infinite amount of time. I've followed Hossa since before you'd even heard of him, so I know quite a bit more about how he plays than you could ever dream of. Edited June 11, 2009 by flip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Rafalski, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, what do they have in common..... All have not played EVERY GAME in the playoffs. Maltby, Draper, Abdelkader, Leino, what do they have in common? Sat down for not pulling their weight.... If he wasnt out there makinga difference in every game he would not be in ... Ask Babcock... Lets see the first three you have mentioned have been injured, maltby is a 4th liner who makes less then a million, Abbie is sick but has 2 goals in the FINALS, Leino is also a 4th liner with not enough experience in the finals, then we have Draper who has a groin injury and is our best faceoff man. What else are you blind in, thats right you can't see hossa SUCKS in these playoffs, I am in favor of sitting hossa in section 216 row 25 and having Abbie play sick in his spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonFlame 424 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but doesn't it always seem like anytime Hossa is on the ice he is double covered. Even if he doesn't have the puck there are always two pens close by just in case he gets too. I think it's part of their game plan to not let Hossa do anything and that's why he hasn't been producing in the series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Oh that's cute. I don't play hockey, so I'm clearly fat. I'm actually 25 years old and have 9% body fat. Tell me more about my life. Listen, grandpa. Playing hockey in your local beer league doesn't give you much insight into how the game is played. The ineptitude you've displayed in this thread is more proof than I could possibly provide with an infinite amount of time. I've followed Hossa since before you'd even heard of him, so I know quite a bit more about how he plays than you could ever dream of. Wow you sound smart, maybe if you look at his past it also says failure in the playoffs, except last year he had a very good playoff run. That is why the senators got rid of him, then he couldn't help the thrashers to the playoffs, because he is not a leader, just a rider on anyone's team. I have followed him since he joined the nhl, so that means you have followed him since you were 5 years old, good job you still show that age in this forum. HOSSA SUCKS, other people see that, why can't the blind? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I like how some people like to forget that the Wings are in game 7 after facing injuries that would have nuked any other team. If someone would have told me that we would be missing Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Draper and Rafalski for big chunks of time in the same playoff run and still be playing game 7 SCF's, I would have laughed my ass off. Granted, the role players are playing possessed (except Ericsson lately) but without Hossa's presence in the lineup, we are nowhere. That's how I see it anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Hossa has outplayed on the defensive side: Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Hudler, Samuelsson, Kopecky, Leino, Abdelkader Hossa has a better points-per-game ratio than: Cleary, Hudler, Samuelsson, Datsyuk, Holmstrom, Helm, Abdelkader, Leino, Maltby, Kopecky, Draper So the only forwards who have outplayed Hossa going both ways are: Zetterberg, Filppula Zetterberg is the league's best defensive forward and an amazing offensive talent as well. A large portion of Filppula's offense has come from scoring opportunities Hossa has created, and his defense has only been marginally better. Hossa may not be scoring like he did in the regular season, but he has been extremely good defensively; better than he was in the regular season. Hossa has been one of the team's four or five best forwards this playoff run overall. I actually like/agree with what eva said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Packer487 3 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Stuart hasn't underachieved. Lidstrom has slightly underachieved in the 2nd half of the playoffs. I agree with you on Kronwall underachieving, and have already said so about Hudler, Datsyuk and Homer. However, Hossa has had the steepest decline. Who knows, if Pavel never got injured and continued putting up bad numbers, Hossa would have some company in the bashing department. But still, he's had 3 games out of 22 where he's scored a goal. Stuart has been really bipolar this playoffs. Some games he's been absolutely outstanding and I want to take back everything bad I've said about him this year. Then the other half the time him and Train Wreck make me avert my eyes every time they're on the ice together. He has been better than he was in the regular season though. People keep bringing up the 3 games out of 22 where he's scored. And Datsyuk has goals in what? 1 out of 15 games? Hossa has more points per game than Datsyuk and Datsyuk had (without looking it up) 20 more points in the regular season? I'd call his dropoff bigger, personally. But no one is making a peep about him because he sat out some games with an injury. Hossa isn't getting the benefit of the doubt though. Maybe next time he can sit out a few to prove to the fans that he's actually hurt. Hossa was a HUGE reason that we got past Anaheim. Two goals on the road in a game we had to have. Even if he did nothing else the entire postseason, there's a 50-50 chance we lose that game (and more than likely the series) without his two second-period goals. Also, Z has 11 goals in the playoffs. That looks great right? Well, four of them were empty netters. He's scored 7 with the goalie in, Hossa has 6. OMG UNDERACHIEVING!!!!! Zetterberg is a goal scorer. HE NEEDS TO SCORE GOALS WITH THE GOALIE IN! Who cares about assists?! Back-checking doesn't help when you're down by a goal!!!1! Edited June 11, 2009 by Packer487 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Hossa has outplayed on the defensive side: Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Hudler, Samuelsson, Kopecky, Leino, Abdelkader Hossa has a better points-per-game ratio than: Cleary, Hudler, Samuelsson, Datsyuk, Holmstrom, Helm, Abdelkader, Leino, Maltby, Kopecky, Draper So the only forwards who have outplayed Hossa going both ways are: Zetterberg, Filppula Zetterberg is the league's best defensive forward and an amazing offensive talent as well. A large portion of Filppula's offense has come from scoring opportunities Hossa has created, and his defense has only been marginally better. Hossa may not be scoring like he did in the regular season, but he has been extremely good defensively; better than he was in the regular season. Hossa has been one of the team's four or five best forwards this playoff run overall. Great post /thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I'm wrong on how I see him? Sounds like another opinion, to me. As for my supposedly piling on here, read again and you'll see I was in fact simply replying to about the dozen or so posts from the home-teamers who were also "bitching" about him -- asking them what else would they expect? That was all. This is the Hossa thread, right? I thought it was OK to comment here. That said, I'll lay off then if I've become too repetitive. Yes, you are...because you're failing to see the facts. He didn't asked to get traded to Pittsburgh, they just offered Atlanta the sweetest package for him. He owed them nothing, and you can't seem to wrap your brain around that concept. It's not an opinion, its fact. I'm wrong on how I see him? Sounds like another opinion, to me. As for my supposedly piling on here, read again and you'll see I was in fact simply replying to about the dozen or so posts from the home-teamers who were also "bitching" about him -- asking them what else would they expect? That was all. This is the Hossa thread, right? I thought it was OK to comment here. That said, I'll lay off then if I've become too repetitive. I don't care what other people have said, this has nothing to do with them. You continue to cry about Hossa and call him a Benedict Arnold when its not a fair assessment given that he owed Pittsburgh nothing. Don't try and pretend like you are the "victim" here when you know you've been taking shots at Hossa every chance you get. I'm just the one calling you out on it. If you can't handle that, contribute something real to your argument or let it go. I'm wrong on how I see him? Sounds like another opinion, to me. As for my supposedly piling on here, read again and you'll see I was in fact simply replying to about the dozen or so posts from the home-teamers who were also "bitching" about him -- asking them what else would they expect? That was all. This is the Hossa thread, right? I thought it was OK to comment here. That said, I'll lay off then if I've become too repetitive. Finally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Just bought a Hossa T-shirt from Meijers yesterday to give him a little extra mojo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NHLrules? 32 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I dont mind Hossas lack of offensive production Its his give aways that make me want to jump into the TV and blind side him. In the D zone especially, a player of his caliber knows better but he continues to cough the puck up in the worst possible spots. Blind backhanders off the wall, risky passes etc. Thats whats killing me about him right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I dont mind Hossas lack of offensive production Its his give aways that make me want to jump into the TV and blind side him. In the D zone especially, a player of his caliber knows better but he continues to cough the puck up in the worst possible spots. Blind backhanders off the wall, risky passes etc. Thats whats killing me about him right now. +1 thats exactly it... if he didn't turn it over almost every chance he had the puck.... deep in our zone, in the neutral zone, deep in their zone i wouldn't get so pissed off at him. I kept saying i am pissed at hossa which attributed to the lack of goals and s***... but really its the turnovers that i keep call him out on. He has become a liablitly out there when he has the puck anywhere near him. Hopefully he can correct that and either pass the puck to flip or just stop trying to force himself and the puck through all 5 penguins ALL the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I dont mind Hossas lack of offensive production Its his give aways that make me want to jump into the TV and blind side him. In the D zone especially, a player of his caliber knows better but he continues to cough the puck up in the worst possible spots. Blind backhanders off the wall, risky passes etc. Thats whats killing me about him right now. Yea, he leads the team in playoff takeaways because of his lack of "give"..........GREAT POST!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings91 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 So I get it. Hossa's not producing on the offensive side. I don't actually think he coughs up the puck as some has said. I think he's quite good defensively. I know he gets paid a lot of money which is why fans are jumping on him. But I also know there is not another person on this board or anywhere on this planet who wants Marian Hossa to score a goal more than Marian Hossa. Some people speak about him as if he planned to ride on the coat tails of Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg. I'm sure he goes out there each game thinking he'll produce and tries to produce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I dont mind Hossas lack of offensive production Its his give aways that make me want to jump into the TV and blind side him. In the D zone especially, a player of his caliber knows better but he continues to cough the puck up in the worst possible spots. Blind backhanders off the wall, risky passes etc. Thats whats killing me about him right now. And, from a previous post " 4th Line Grinder Member Joined: Feb 3, 2009 Hossa is +1 take aways to give aways.........Hank is even..........Franzen is -2............Flip is -8...........Sammy is -4............Kronwall is -8........Raffi is -9........Stuart is -10. If Hossa is "killing you", how do you feel about the other guys on this list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Just bought a Hossa T-shirt from Meijers yesterday to give him a little extra mojo. I'm going to wear my Penguins Marian Hossa t-shirt while on the bus to work tomorrow and switch out of it into last year's Wings Stanley Cup t-shirt with the Cup and the names on the back. So one minute I'll have Hossa's name on my back, then I'll have the Cup with all the Wings names on my back. *hint hint* Hockey Gods Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Wow you sound smart, maybe if you look at his past it also says failure in the playoffs, except last year he had a very good playoff run. That is why the senators got rid of him, then he couldn't help the thrashers to the playoffs, because he is not a leader, just a rider on anyone's team. I have followed him since he joined the nhl, so that means you have followed him since you were 5 years old, good job you still show that age in this forum. HOSSA SUCKS, other people see that, why can't the blind? Math really isn't your thing, is it? He's 30 and joined the league when he was 18. 30 - 18 = 12. 25 - 12 = 13. I've followed him since I was 13. Anyone could sound smart compared to you. Is he a leader? No. No one claims he is. Is he a great player and one of the Top 20 forwards in the game? Undoubtedly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 they were talking on the radio 97.1.... who would you rather have Malkin or Hossa! I can't believe SO MANY said 30year old Hossa! Malkin is such the better performer than him anyday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
