Hossa wants 6million a year

[grwingfan 21]

Hossa

[FedorovMan91 1]

Exactly what I was thinking. Except don't forget the 50% rule. I think Hossa wants an average of 6 million per year for 8-10 years. Meaning that he couldn't care less if Holland pays him 60 million at the age 30 and one penny for the rest of his career or pay him one penny for 9 years and 60 million on his 10th year. He just want's an average of 6 million-per-year.

Some might argue that he isn't worth 6 million at the age of 39, but don't forget that he's worth 8 million at the ages of 31-33.

So no matter how you work the numbers, which Kenny will do, Hossa just wants an average 6 million through-out his career. He doesn't care about how it looks on paper to make the CAP work.

EDIT: another example would be signing Hossa for 20 years for a cap hit of 3 million.

30: 8

31: 8

32: 8

33: 8

34: 8

35: 8

36: 5.5

37: 3

38: 1.5

39: 1

40: 1

RETIRE - CONTRACT OFF THE BOOKS

41: 1

42: 1

43: 1

44: 1

45: 1

46: 1

47: 1

48: 1

49: 1

50: 1

Do you want Hossa to become Mr. Hockey over Gordie?

[BlakKy 58]

Exactly what I was thinking. Except don't forget the 50% rule. I think Hossa wants an average of 6 million per year for 8-10 years. Meaning that he couldn't care less if Holland pays him 60 million at the age 30 and one penny for the rest of his career or pay him one penny for 9 years and 60 million on his 10th year. He just want's an average of 6 million-per-year.

Some might argue that he isn't worth 6 million at the age of 39, but don't forget that he's worth 8 million at the ages of 31-33.

So no matter how you work the numbers, which Kenny will do, Hossa just wants an average 6 million through-out his career. He doesn't care about how it looks on paper to make the CAP work.

EDIT: another example would be signing Hossa for 20 years for a cap hit of 3 million.

30: 8

31: 8

32: 8

33: 8

34: 8

35: 8

36: 5.5

37: 3

38: 1.5

39: 1

40: 1

RETIRE - CONTRACT OFF THE BOOKS

41: 1

42: 1

43: 1

44: 1

45: 1

46: 1

47: 1

48: 1

49: 1

50: 1

I once suggested a 20 year contract and have the Wings buyout the last 10 years of the contract but I did some research and found the the league can void a contract they feel is put in place to circumvent cap rules. A 20 year contract to almost anyone (let along someone who is 30 years old) would most certainly incur the wrath of the league.

[BlakKy 58]

Do you want Hossa to become Mr. Hockey over Gordie?

Haha.

Hossa skating around at that age.... uglier than Chelios.

[Snazzy 0]

I once suggested a 20 year contract and have the Wings buyout the last 10 years of the contract but I did some research and found the the league can void a contract they feel is put in place to circumvent cap rules. A 20 year contract to almost anyone (let along someone who is 30 years old) would most certainly incur the wrath of the league.

Right. The point is Holland can work the numbers to make something work if Hossa only wants 6 million for his respective career. I'm guessing his career would end at the age of about 38 or 39.

Maybe that's why Cheli persists on playing so old, to prove the "New NHL" allows players to play up to the age of 60+ years old. Lol.

[talex 1]

This. Either sign him with a 4 mil cap hit or don't sign him at all.

I dread waking up one of these mornings and seeing the headline "Hossa signed 8yrs at 6mil cap hit". Which would mean Kenny would have to move a significant piece(s) of the lineup to make room.

If Marian isn't willing to sign the kind of contract that brings his cap hit down, save the money and spend it on retaining Hudler, Sammy and having some space to make adjustments.

We agree on Hossa, but I do not see Sammy or Huds as attached to this. Sammy most likely will get an offer that will not make sense for the Wings to pay for a 3rd or 4th line guy, same goes for Huds especially if they get good picks out of the deal, these 2 may be gone regardless of Hossa. With Maltby, Draper, Homer and Potentially Lids retireing very soon they need room to bring up some of the GR guys if for anything else to see if they can play in the bigs, preferably before they must have them play well. So some guys will have to go regardless of Hossa's deal or we might be stuck in a pickle, Sammy and Huds salary would come close to or exceed what Hossa's would likely be, keeping them up against the cap...

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Why do people keep repeating this? Like xtrememachine1 and a few others have said (in this thread!), the 4 million is the cap hit, not his actual salary. Just because he'd have a cap hit of 4 million dollars doesn't mean he's being insulted by the Red Wings, as he'll still be making what he is looking to earn (salary wise).

If you haven't noticed our math skills have been steadily declining in this country. It is fairly simple really, if i get paid 1 million dollars in year one, and one dollar in years 2-10, my average salary is 100K per year. I'm not sure why more GMs aren't trying stuff like this, but look to see more of them copy-catting Kenny and doing it.

Someone also made a good point about Hossa shouldn't have a larger contract than Franzen. I tend to agree with this, and the Wings are pretty particular about not paying other players more than their core guys...

[talex 1]

I hope Hossa makes a decision soon, I mean he knows what the cap situation in Detroit is, he and his agent can do the math. If I were Holland I would tell him..ok we are willing to commit to x years (where x is 8 to 12). You guys figure out how to make that a 4Mil or less cap hit and we got a deal.

As this drags on the Hossa thing is starting to feel like the Favre thing... just get it done already before I puke!

[egroen 384]

8 6 6 6 4 4 3 1 1 1 = $40m over 10 years

$4m cap hit

[Snazzy 0]

8 6 6 6 4 4 3 1 1 1 = $40m over 10 years

$4m cap hit

Or

9, 7, 6, 5, 3.5, 3, 2.5, 2, 1, 1 = $40m over 10 years

Or sign him 12 years at a 3.5 cap hit.

[dat's sick 1,002]

As this drags on the Hossa thing is starting to feel like the Favre thing... just get it done already before I puke!

It really hasn't dragged on that long. The cap for next year was just revelead like an hour ago, and Holland has repeatedly said he was going to wait for that number before making any moves.

[therock48880 14]

Or

9, 7, 6, 5, 3.5, 3, 2.5, 2, 1, 1 = $40m over 10 years

Or sign him 12 years at a 3.5 cap hit.

I wonder if the league would allow him to have a 12 year deal since he's 30. They would have to approve any deal and I think that might be pushing it.

[BlakKy 58]

I wonder if the league would allow him to have a 12 year deal since he's 30. They would have to approve any deal and I think that might be pushing it.

I think for a borderline contract like that some doctor hired by the league would ask Hossa something like "Do you think you can play when you are 42?" Hossa being a good sport, an athlete and hopefully someone who loves hockey will say, "Definitely". Then I think the league would have to take his word for it and legalize the contract.

[RedWingedKitten 9]

7 year deal

7 million age 31

6.5 million age 32

5 million age 33

4 million age 34

3 million age 35

2.5 million age 36

2 million age 37

Cap hit 4.3

I think he would be paid fairly in this deal, and it would work with the Wings. The NHL would definitly not reject this deal either.

[Dominator2005 558]

Just because the morons known as MLSE/Cliff Fletcher overpaid Finger by $2 million doesn't mean the Wings brass must pay Hossa his "demand" of $6 large.

I'm pretty certain that the reported offer by Holland would see a $4 million cap hit which would be heavily loaded for the 1st 3 years, and then steadily decrease for the next "several" years thereafter.

If he cannot accept what Holland can offer - well there's the door.

So $6M for Hossa is overpaid...

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Please don't mention that morons name in this site again!

I didn't even have to look to my left to know where you live.

Stupid Brett, went from beloved to goat in one summer.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

So $6M for Hossa is overpaid...

A 6 million dollar cap hit over 10 years would make Hossa overpaid, yes.

That could include him making 9 million next year, that's not the point. The point is what the cap hit is at, and we can't afford to give him a super long term deal with a cap hit at 6 million.

[edicius 3,269]

From Bruce MacLeod on Twitter:

Salary cap of $56.8 million. No way Hossa can fit in. The Wings have about $52.3 committed now and need to sign 5 more players.

[T.OWingsFan 7]

Bye-bye Hossa!

I agree. If he couldn't 'get it up' being one of only a few healthy top 2 line players in Detroit playing his former club in the final, he's not worth 6 million per and we can't afford him at that.

So long Marian. I wish you well brother but we're tight up against it and can spend that money better elsewhere.

[j.hoop 64]

nice to know ya hoss.

[GORM19 0]

Haven't you heard? Flip is a bum and we should trade him for a 19th round pick today.

havent you heard antropov is the biggest bum in the league keep flips over him anyday

[talex 1]

It really hasn't dragged on that long. The cap for next year was just revelead like an hour ago, and Holland has repeatedly said he was going to wait for that number before making any moves.

Correct, but the debate has been raging for month's.

[talex 1]

If Hossa cannot accept this offer...Well then goodbye.

Tombstone Style...

[dallas27 7]

Haven't you heard? Flip is a bum and we should trade him for a 19th round pick today.

I saw him downtown at Wayne State asking for change! I haven't been on here much but in the last two days your rehashed sarcasm that everyone on this forum is against Filppula is already tiresome. Nobody is. He's a good hockey player, did relatively well in the playoffs too, just wish he would shoot more. What I have against it is if Holland is afraid to trade him to keep Hossa, at a reasonable price. No more than what I guessed but hopefully less.

$4.7 million ~ 10 years if the Wings win the cup.

Sucks about the if part. Anything more than that it's good luck to Hossa. There are plenty of free agents the Wings can sign that will fill a role if Hossa isn't willing to take one for the team.

[T.Low 1,011]

Lord, why could I have not been born with just enough talent to get drafted in the "19th round" and play for the LEAGUE MINIMUM for just ONE YEAR! Then I could afford a house, a car, pay off my debts, retire, and put my kids through college...

It's a shame Hossa isn't going to get paid "what he is worth" !

Its called socialism. Central planning, as opposed to market forces, determine value.