servo 15 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Well, the Wings aren't the only team that has gotten screwed by this! This wasn't as bad as the May call off (what could be?), but a little worse than the Cleary call off. I was flipping through the Avs/Pens game and was watching the Avs on the power play. THe Avs shot the puck and T.J. Galiardi chips away at the puck in the crease, it goes over the line and the ref blows the whistle and calls it a no goal. This has to stop! I hope the NHL changes this intent rule soon. I know Betmann loves it, but it is eroding the integrity of the game. Considering that we are losing 3 of the best refs in the league this year, I fear more errors by less experienced officials. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) I cant imagine GM's will not be making a stink about this at the next GM meeting. I sure hope Kenny will. Edit: Damn you Larue!! :shakes fist: Edited December 4, 2009 by Statts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 What a coincidence. It benefited the Pens. Surprise surprise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeff48109 474 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 The NHL has to be the only league, professional or amateur with this stupid rule. intent to blow??? i thought players are told to play to the whistle in all sports, at all levels? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 I am shocked. Shocked and appalled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 I saw this play tonight and while it was the wrong call (in that he shouldn't have blown the whistle), I can understand why he did. From the camera angle I saw, which is where the ref was, the puck went under Fleury's pads and looked to be frozen, before the puck then pops into the net. I actually think you'd see a high portion of refs blow the whistle on the same play. Not really comparable to the May non-goal, which I still have no idea how that got screwed up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 The day you'll see this changed is the day a ref screws up and doesn't help the Croz. I, for one, am not holding my breath. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 The most annoying and pathetic rule out there, with the phantom interference all not far behind. It's not a "We're all against the Wings agenda", it's not a pro-Penguins thing. The rule is just terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan983 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 worst rule in professional sports, it shouldnt be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KillerB14 2 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 I saw this play tonight and while it was the wrong call (in that he shouldn't have blown the whistle), I can understand why he did. From the camera angle I saw, which is where the ref was, the puck went under Fleury's pads and looked to be frozen, before the puck then pops into the net. I actually think you'd see a high portion of refs blow the whistle on the same play. Not really comparable to the May non-goal, which I still have no idea how that got screwed up. I can't understand why he did. It was a ridiculously quick whistle. There are plenty of times a puck is shot at the goalie and he makes the save and 1...2...whistle. This puck was shot, bounced through Fluery, crossed the line, whistle. The Refs should not have an intent to blow the whistle as soon as it touches a goaltender. The problem is the rule. It gives Refs an opportunity to go back in time and stop the play where they see fit. That play should have been allowed to be played out. Fluery never made the save. That avs player scored a goal. It was way too quick of a whistle(intent, since the puck was across the line when the whistle went) for that kind of play. The puck has been under goalies and whack, whack, whack away finally a whistle. That early Phoenix game, Ozzie had the puck under him. No whistle, the guy pushed Ozzie off the puck and put it into the net. Not trying to start anything about that game, over and done with. The point is the lengths of whistles at times, also the times they call goals back cause they intended to blow the whistle before the puck crossed the line but couldn't blow the whistle fast enough. Then that should be a goal. How dumb does that sound, "I wanted to blow the whistle before the puck moved across the line but..." BEFORE IT CROSSED THE LINE! The puck was still moving but the ref is allowed to go back to before it crossed the line and say that's when the play stopped. How completely and utterly F'ed up does that sound? IF the puck goes into the net, it's a goal! The puck is moving, the goalie didn't make the save! Why does the NHL allow these to be called back? Cleary's second goal against Calgary that was waived off was unfortunate but is believable. The Ref lost sight whistle blown. Puck was never in the net till after it actually bounced off the Ref's skate to Cleary who put it in. With this Avs game, the puck was already in the net. Already in the net! Am I going crazy or something??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 They don't need an intent to blow, they're doing just fine blowing as it is. If you catch my drift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tiff_luvs_homer 5 Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Avs totally got screwed last night - they need to get rid of the intent to blow the whistle rule. It is ridiculous and other teams will continue to get screwed out of goals until the rule is removed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 The rule strikes again. Pens vs. Habs. :nonono: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 Wow. This really needs to be dealt with. I'm surprised those idiots in Montreal didn't burn the city down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kwame_Kilpatrick 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 omg that was dreadful, not even under a pad was the puck. i cant believe they would pick crosby over the most historic club in the league, montreal fans must feel terrible enough with their average club but i feel bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) I hope a different angle pops up on youtube so you can see where the ref was. edit: looks like the bottom corner. Edited December 11, 2009 by Statts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 The way I see it, what is the point of even having a whistle if it's not the blowing of the whistle that kills the play, but rather the intent to blow it? If the ref wants to call a play dead, then fine. But the play should not officially be dead until the whistle does blow, not the second or two it takes him to put the damn thing in his mouth. This rule really needs to be addressed, because it is the most stupid thing I have seen in any sport, when a goal is disallowed because the ref was about to blow the whistle. The clock doesn't stop until the whistle blows, so the play should not either! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aw1340 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 I was watching this live and the puck was clearly loose just from the regular broadcast angle. Terrible call once again. Montreal had a couple of questionable penalties in this period as well. I don't think they played well enough to win this one anyway but the officiating in the 3rd certainly didn't help their chances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyuk2Zetterberg 1 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 it's a garbage rule. Either blow the whistle or don't, if the ref can't blow the whistle in time too bad. Seems the rule is there just to bait the ref out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 instead of refining our game, and getting rid of this absurd rule, lets move a team to vegas guys! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 This rule looks the NHL look like a cheap daytime gameshow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 The rule is embarssing. How many times this year are teams going to get hosed by it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) The rule is embarssing. How many times this year are teams going to get hosed by it? And how many times are the Penguins going to benefit from it? I mean, seriously. Colorado gets hosed, they're playing the Pens. Habs get hosed, they're playing the Pens. Once is a coincidence. Twice within a one week period is the beginning of a trend. Edited December 11, 2009 by edicius Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 The rule is flat out dumb. Even if you ignore the fact that refs have their whistle on their lips redy to blow the play dead in tight situations it literally takes less than a second to raise your arm adn blow the whistle. What kills me is the logic behind this rule. If you're intent is to blow the whistle now why is it in your hand by your side and not in your mouth? What stopped you from blowing the play dead when you intended to as opposed to when youa ctually did? It doesnt make sense. It creates a huge grey area which is unneccesary. Plus, wasn't it the intention of the league to increase scoring coming out of the lockout? Why put rules in place that take goals away? Not to mention the fact it is a non-reviewable play, which is absurd. The play should be dead when the whistle blows. Period. THen that way plays are reviewable and there is a concrete basis to understand if a goal shoudl be counted or not. This rule puts too much power into one man's hands and creates too much potentiial for human error, which we've all seen on countless occassions this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) The solution is so simple and easy to implement (because they already have the process in place to do so) that it is infuriating they have not done so yet -- yeah, Bettman tells us it will "probably come up at the next GM Meeting". If the puck is shown to be in the net before the whistle, allow it to be reviewed by Toronto (they already review 100% of all goals) and allow them to overturn blatant erroneous "intended" whistles when the puck is shown to never be dead (like they can already overturn 90% of goals and non-goals). Simple, easy.... not done. Why not? The refs seem to be using this rule more and more as their "get out of jail free" card and it quite frankly opens the door to abuse and corruption (yeah, yeah... unheard of in professional sports). Edited December 11, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites