The Chris Osgood discussion thread

[mackel 766]

Osgood has lost his starting job to a rook he's 37... the end of the road is near and none too soon. Trade for Halak and settle the goaltending question for good.

[Dominator2005 558]

Yeah and you're telling me that they'd break Howard's hot streak if we up and played Washington tomorrow? Bulls***. Why was he in net tonight? You haven't answered that yet.

Howard being shaky early has nothing to do with it right?

I wasn't talking about the outcome. I asked why he got the start.

I don't care. You've shown enough bias that I'll go ahead and call bulls*** on you all night. I'm logical, you're fanatical. Act a different way and we'll have a whole new conversation.

Oh shut up, after last year the consensus agreed he could've started elsewhere. It was one of the biggest reasons he left. He just keeps taking backup jobs.

You're acting like a f***in idiot. Suspend me, I don't care. It's the truth. Playing teams who rank 1st to 4th in the entire conference is not being coddled, you're just upset and being argumentative.

WHY. WAS. HE. NOT. PLAYING. TONIGHT.

?

Simple question. Stop ducking it. We're a 10th place team fighting for wins. The better goalie is going to get the starts, esp tonight. Why did Jimmy start?

Please stop - Osgood is the best goalie EVER... Osgood is bigger than Yzerman, don't you get it?!

(Let it go - don't even bother)

[Guest zackmorris]

Please stop - Osgood is the best goalie EVER... Osgood is bigger than Yzerman, don't you get it?!

(Let it go - don't even bother)

One of my biggest flaws is I'm too persistent with people who are pretty off in lala land. I shouldn't even bother.

[Rivalred 630]

One of my biggest flaws is I'm too persistent with people who are pretty off in lala land. I shouldn't even bother.

Then why did you? And please learn how to quote posts properly so we know who you quoted.

[Outsider 42]

Yeah and you're telling me that they'd break Howard's hot streak if we up and played Washington tomorrow? Bulls***. Why was he in net tonight? You haven't answered that yet.

Howard being shaky early has nothing to do with it right?

I wasn't talking about the outcome. I asked why he got the start.

I don't care. You've shown enough bias that I'll go ahead and call bulls*** on you all night. I'm logical, you're fanatical. Act a different way and we'll have a whole new conversation.

Oh shut up, after last year the consensus agreed he could've started elsewhere. It was one of the biggest reasons he left. He just keeps taking backup jobs.

Playing teams who rank 1st to 4th in the entire conference is not being coddled, you're just upset and being argumentative.

Osgood complains. We're 10th place. We NEED wins. We can't score at all. Our defense was s***. Yet coddling our goalie is more important than all of this?

You're seriously trying to tell us that?! Are you typing all of it with a straight face!?

I'll repeat, we're out of the playoffs and need wins. And Osgood isn't in net. Tell me why you think that is? Are Washington and SJ the only good teams in hockey?

WHY. WAS. HE. NOT. PLAYING. TONIGHT.

?

Simple question. Stop ducking it. We're a 10th place team fighting for wins. The better goalie is going to get the starts, esp tonight. Why did Jimmy start?

Perhaps you can use the work f*** a few more times in each of your posts. It adds a bit of spice., and I'm sure the other children on the board get as giddy as you do when they read naughty words.

The reason that Osgood did not play tonight is because, as has been previously discussed, HOWARD IS NOT PLAYING BADLY. I never stated that he was. He's just not playing as WELL as you'd like to think he is.

And when the Wings faced a rested Chicago Team, on the road, on the second night of back-to-backs, just LAST WEEK....

It was OSGOOD who got the call. Why? Because, as Babcock stated at the time, "we knew our goaltending was going to have to be outstanding". THAT is why Osgood got the Start. He dinkered it up. And now Babcock will make him work TWICE as hard for his Starts. Period.

Howard got the call against Phoenix, and played well. I think, based upon that Game, he got the start tonight.....against a "good" Team....

ON THE SECOND NIGHT OF BACK-TO-BACK GAMES. Tell me how much of a factor Howard was tonight. He didn't need to be. The Wings controlled this Game from start to finish. And if not for a bone-headed play on the first goal, the result would have been even better for him.

Once again....I never stated that Howard wasn't playing well. I only stated that he's not playing well enough to keep Osgood on the bench with the exception of the very rare occasion when a "contender" comes up on the schedule.

And yes....I think if the Wings WERE to face Washington "today", it would be OSGOOD who would get the call. That's been the pattern all Season long.

[Dominator2005 558]

One of my biggest flaws is I'm too persistent with people who are pretty off in lala land. I shouldn't even bother.

You see Ozzy lovers will ALWAYS bash all other goalies that we have/had in Detroit. Even if we had Brodeur they are able to find something wrong/bad about him.

Let it go! Osgood was OUTPLAYED last season see Conklin but he was great in playoff's... something that could happen again this season (if we are able to make playoff's)

Edited January 1, 2010 by Dominator2005

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Actually, Miller....

Howard has lost 3 of his last 5, and 5 of his last 10 Starts. And against some of the weakest Teams in the League - Teams like Edmonton, and St. Louis, and Columbus.

Similarly, the Wins he's put up have also been against some of the worst Teams in the League - Teams like the Rangers, the Duckies, Tampa Bay, and the Jackets. The only really decent Team he's faced and posted a Win against was Phoenix.

Those losses are deceptive given that the Wings have been shut out 6 of the last 17 games coming into tonight. It's hard to blame Howard's 1-0 and 3-0 losses on him.

Regardless, the stats don't lie:

Howard:

Record: 13-8-2

W: 13 (15th in the league, with every goalie above him having played 2-15 more games)

Sv%: 0.921% (Tied for 10th in the league)

GAA: 2.25 (8th in the league)

Osgood:

Record: 7-6-4

W: 7 (Tied for 35th in the league)

Sv%: 0.901 (38th in the league)

GAA: 2.72 (27th in the league)

Look, no one's arguing that Ozzy isn't captain clutch in the playoffs, but so far his record just can't come close to Howard's. Right now Howie is a top 10 goaltender in this league based on the stats. And he's hardly been doing that with a strong Wings team in front of him.

[Guest zackmorris]

Perhaps you can use the work f*** a few more times in each of your posts. It adds a bit of spice., and I'm sure the other children on the board get as giddy as you do when they read naughty words.

Stick to the topic. I swear casually. Boo hoo.

The reason that Osgood did not play tonight is because, as has been previously discussed, HOWARD IS NOT PLAYING BADLY. I never stated that he was. He's just not playing as WELL as you'd like to think he is

Maybe you should go back and read my posts. My main point the entire time has been that he's just been playing better than Osgood.

So for a little spice that the all the other children should enjoy, show me where I deviated from my initial point that he's just playing better. I never called him an all star.

And when the Wings faced a rested Chicago Team, on the road, on the second night of back-to-backs, just LAST WEEK....

It was OSGOOD who got the call. Why? Because, as Babcock stated at the time, "we knew our goaltending was going to have to be outstanding". THAT is why Osgood got the Start. He dinkered it up. And now Babcock will make him work TWICE as hard for his Starts. Period.

It's entirely possible Babcock just gave him the first one knowing another was coming.

Or you could argue Howard was coming off of a 4-3 loss in which he didn't look his best. I don't see you bringing that up. Wonder why?

Howard got the call against Phoenix, and played well. I think, based upon that Game, he got the start tonight.....against a "good" Team....

I'll repeat-they've been ranked 1st to 3rd in the West all season long. We're half way through the season. And they're just "good"? Gimme a break, show your bias a little more buddy.

Tell me how much of a factor Howard was tonight. He didn't need to be. The Wings controlled this Game from start to finish. And if not for a bone-headed play on the first goal, the result would have been even better for him.

He made a couple of good stops that kept us in it. That's all.

But you should know being an Ozzie fan as much as anyone that if he let those in, we'd be talking about how horrible he was tonight.

Those are the goals Ozzie's let in. That's why he's not playing.

Once again....I never stated that Howard wasn't playing well. I only stated that he's not playing well enough to keep Osgood on the bench with the exception of the very rare occasion when a "contender" comes up on the schedule.

Yeah, teams who would have home ice advantage in the playoffs aren't contenders. Again, SJ and Washington are the only good teams in hockey right?

And yes....I think if the Wings WERE to face Washington "today", it would be OSGOOD who would get the call. That's been the pattern all Season long.

Now I just know you're full of s***.

[Rivalred 630]

Stick to the topic. I swear casually. Boo hoo.

Maybe you should go back and read my posts. My main point the entire time has been that he's just been playing better than Osgood.

So for a little spice that the all the other children should enjoy, show me where I deviated from my initial point that he's just playing better. I never called him an all star.

It's entirely possible Babcock just gave him the first one knowing another was coming.

Or you could argue Howard was coming off of a 4-3 loss in which he didn't look his best. I don't see you bringing that up. Wonder why?

I'll repeat-they've been ranked 1st to 3rd in the West all season long. We're half way through the season. And they're just "good"? Gimme a break, show your bias a little more buddy.

He made a couple of good stops that kept us in it. That's all.

But you should know being an Ozzie fan as much as anyone that if he let those in, we'd be talking about how horrible he was tonight.

Those are the goals Ozzie's let in. That's why he's not playing.

Yeah, teams who would have home ice advantage in the playoffs aren't contenders. Again, SJ and Washington are the only good teams in hockey right?

Now I just know you're full of s***.

God, that is so annoying...

Please please please learn how to use the quote feature properly.

[Dominator2005 558]

God, that is so annoying...

Please please please learn how to use the quote feature properly.

What's wrong with his quotes? Are you missing some true arguments?

[Rivalred 630]

What's wrong with his quotes? Are you missing some true arguments?

The quotes are missing the username, date, and time. See this one for example and compare it to his/hers.

Really do not know who the post belongs to!

[Guest zackmorris]

The quotes are missing the username, date, and time. See this one for example and compare it to his/hers.

Really do not know who the post belongs to!

I'm not arguing for show. I don't care who reads it. It's between he and I and he knows what he said and when he said it.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Please stop - Osgood is the best goalie EVER... Osgood is bigger than Yzerman, don't you get it?!

(Let it go - don't even bother)

No one is even saying that, and it is amazing that you continue to pull this bulls*** simply because someone believes Howard's performance is overblown based on the teams he has started against.

There was a thread on HFboards that attempted to belittle Brodeur's accomplishments because his backups over the years posted similar stats and this seems to be the same scenario.

[Rivalred 630]

I'm not arguing for show. I don't care who reads it. It's between he and I and he knows what he said and when he said it.

Well, maybe the rest of the forum members would like to read the discussion...

If it is between you and him and do not want others to follow along, then take it to PM!

[Outsider 42]

You see Ozzy lovers will ALWAYS bash all other goalies that we have/had in Detroit. Even if we had Brodeur they are able to find something wrong/bad about him.

Let it go! Osgood was OUTPLAYED last season see Conklin but he was great in playoff's... something that could happen again this season (if we are able to make playoff's)

Conversely....and rather interestingly.....

Osgood haters are all too eager to jump onto the coattails of any goaltender at all, no matter how mediocre, be it Legace, Conklin, and now the untested rookie, Howard....

In the desperate hope that they will finally, finally, after all of these long, terrible, tortuous years.....

Have a goaltender who can finally unseat Osgood. Permanently.

There's not a goaltender who passed through Detroit, however briefly, who hasn't been "vastly superior" to Osgood.

Yeah. Conklin is an OBVIOUS Starter. That's the general consensus. And that's why he left DETROIT....to go to ST LOUIS.....But, as he has done for his entire career...."chose" to take the back up job there. Uh huh.

Reality is that Conklin has never been, is not now, nor will ever be, a Starter. For any Team. Period. Just as I stated, ad nauseum, last Season....when so many "haters" were suddenly on the Conklin bandwagon, in the vain hope that Conks would finally be "the One" to rescue them from Chris Osgood.

And that's the reason why Ty was not even offered a contract. Because Wings management and coaching recognized that he is a career back up, (just as Legace before him), and that in the long run......it would be better to bring Howard up and groom him, and take your chances that Howard has a higher career ceiling.

Another one bites the dust. The Quest continues.

[Guest zackmorris]

And please don't label me an Ozzie hater. I even said the guy deserved a crack at Canada and have defended him before. But I'm just being honest here, it is what it is.

Edited January 1, 2010 by zackmorris

[Rivalred 630]

I did mention that this team and Osgood always fared well with a 2 goalie system. There is nothing wrong with Howard getting playing time.

Frustration is a bit high for the entire team due to all the injuries and their current standing; there is not 1 factor for the number of losses, it is a combine total of all the mishaps/mistakes of the entire team.

[Dominator2005 558]

Conversely....and rather interestingly.....

Osgood haters are all too eager to jump onto the coattails of any goaltender at all, no matter how mediocre, be it Legace, Conklin, and now the untested rookie, Howard....

In the desperate hope that they will finally, finally, after all of these long, terrible, tortuous years.....

Have a goaltender who can finally unseat Osgood. Permanently.

There's not a goaltender who passed through Detroit, however briefly, who hasn't been "vastly superior" to Osgood.

Yeah. Conklin is an OBVIOUS Starter. That's the general consensus. And that's why he left DETROIT....to go to ST LOUIS.....But, as he has done for his entire career...."chose" to take the back up job there. Uh huh.

Reality is that Conklin has never been, is not now, nor will ever be, a Starter. For any Team. Period. Just as I stated, ad nauseum, last Season....when so many "haters" were suddenly on the Conklin bandwagon, in the vain hope that Conks would finally be "the One" to rescue them from Chris Osgood.

And that's the reason why Ty was not even offered a contract. Because Wings management and coaching recognized that he is a career back up, (just as Legace before him), and that in the long run......it would be better to bring Howard up and groom him, and take your chances that Howard has a higher career ceiling.

Another one bites the dust. The Quest continues.

Who is Osgood hater??? True (are you?) Red Wings fan doesn't care who is goalie... he cares about winning...

[Dominator2005 558]

No one is even saying that, and it is amazing that you continue to pull this bulls*** simply because someone believes Howard's performance is overblown based on the teams he has started against.

There was a thread on HFboards that attempted to belittle Brodeur's accomplishments because his backups over the years posted similar stats and this seems to be the same scenario.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

How bout I explain it like you are a six year old...

You=accusing others of saying Osgood is the best goaltender and can do no wrong

Others=not saying that

Simple enough?

[Outsider 42]

Maybe you should go back and read my posts. My main point the entire time has been that he's just been playing better than Osgood.

So for a little spice that the all the other children should enjoy, show me where I deviated from my initial point that he's just playing better. I never called him an all star.

I'm going to break this down really sloooooowwwwwwly for you, since you seem to be struggling with the gist of my argument.

In watching the Games, I don't believe that he IS "playing better" than Osgood. At least, NOT to an extent sufficient to keep Osgood on the bench until such time as Babcock decides to throw him out there, absolutely cold, against a Team like Chicago. And then to expect, (in Babcock's words).....an "outstanding" performance.

Howard is posting better stats. He's getting comparable results, (Wins and Points-wise).

But he's ALSO facing WEAKER COMPETITION. Habitually. And yes....that includes tonight, when a tired Avs Team brought not much of ANYTHING against a Wings Team which was in full control of this Game from puck drop to final horn. What was it Mickey stated? "Colorado just hasn't mounted much of anything tonight." Mick is right. Colorado had nothing, and Howard didn't have much to do in this Win. He was much more impressive against Phoenix, in my opinion.

Similar to those games where the Wings have LOST to Atlanta, and Edmonton, and St. Louis, and Columbus.....it wasn't so much that those goaltenders were that much better, it's that the Wings didn't bring much to challenge them with.

These are the types of Games that Howard is playing. I'd say that Phoenix has been the exception. He was very good against Phoenix.

[Outsider 42]

And please don't label me an Ozzie hater. I even said the guy deserved a crack at Canada and have defended him before. But I'm just being honest here, it is what it is.

Osgood has never been a true candidate for Team Canada. Ever. They're far too deep, and Osgood has NO International experience. Besides, alot of the Internation Tourney game is mental mind games, and Oz doesn't have any form of intimidation factor whatsoever.

[Kwame_Kilpatrick 0]

okay let me explain for everyone y howie is better. the goals he let's in r tougher to score and Ozzie let's in loads of softies. I have played hockey and a good goalie who makes the saves he should gives playas way more confidence. ozzies five hole sucks, half his goals r through the fivehole. he's a bloody joke

[Rivalred 630]

okay let me explain for everyone y howie is better. the goals he let's in r tougher to score and Ozzie let's in loads of softies. I have played hockey and a good goalie who makes the saves he should gives playas way more confidence. ozzies five hole sucks, half his goals r through the fivehole. he's a bloody joke

If he was that bad of a goalie he would not of won the cup in 1998 or in 2008.

[Dominator2005 558]

If he was that bad of a goalie he would not of won the cup in 1998 or in 2008.

Maybe Detroit should sign Mr. Hockey - he was able to score some goals back in his days... and also lets go after Bossy and Beliveau... I'm pretty sure we are going to make a playoffs...