Should Valtteri Filppula be traded?

[Guest Crymson]

Parise has a cap hit of $3.125m.

I would say that's pretty close to Filppula's $3m cap hit.

Parise's contract is also considered by many to be the best bargain in the league today.

[eva unit zero 271]

Parise's contract is also considered by many to be the best bargain in the league today.

And to you, I say:

You are wrong. Name a player in his price range that plays a better full rink game.

The question wasn't "name better all-around players who have contracts in the same price range as Filppula who aren't bargains" it was the one listed above.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Parise has a cap hit of $3.125m.

I would say that's pretty close to Filppula's $3m cap hit.

And what will he be making next season?

[Guest Stolberg]

Parise has a cap hit of $3.125m.

I would say that's pretty close to Filppula's $3m cap hit.

talking about salary

[Theophany 110]

Parise has a cap hit of $3.125m.

I would say that's pretty close to Filppula's $3m cap hit.

You really think that Parise is a $3.125m quality player?

Your point is valid, but Parise is due to be paid a hell of a lot more than $3.125m next year.

Filppula is right on-par with Cleary in terms of pay. I'd say he's worth more, as he's a second line-quality center, something we don't have (Dats and Z are first line centers in terms of pay and quality).

Bolland is a joke to compare to Filppula.

[Shaman 713]

Most of those guys you've mentioned above are 1st line All-Star calibre players whom you would expect to "step it up" when the playoffs arrive, and are paid accordingly.

Nobody here is claiming Flip is a super star - just a solid 2nd line guy who's performance doesn't slide once the playoffs start.

But his offensive output is not where a solid second line player's should be at, hes more like bottom tier second line in offensive output. I know his defense is great, but a lot of third liners can claim that too, my whole point is he hasn't made that definitive step from top tier third liner to true second line player and that as time drags on its less likely that he will make that step.

[titanium2 867]

Who is out there that is a better version of Filppula but isn't a star on the team/its franchise player?

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Our best chance at getting rid of Filppula was after the 2009 playoffs. His trade value will probably never be higher and we could have kept Hossa in the process.

[titanium2 867]

Our best chance at getting rid of Filppula was after the 2009 playoffs. His trade value will probably never be higher and we could have kept Hossa in the process.

Well, I think his trade value was pretty high after last year's playoffs. He did well. I mean, probably not as high as after 2009 but to me that's only because the Wings played more playoff games that year.

[Buppy 1,720]

Our best chance at getting rid of Filppula was after the 2009 playoffs. His trade value will probably never be higher and we could have kept Hossa in the process.

How could we have kept Hossa? We were right up at the cap with Flip @ $3M (Over actually, counting Lilja). How could we have afforded another $2M+?

[eva unit zero 271]

You really think that Parise is a $3.125m quality player?

Your point is valid, but Parise is due to be paid a hell of a lot more than $3.125m next year.

Filppula is right on-par with Cleary in terms of pay. I'd say he's worth more, as he's a second line-quality center, something we don't have (Dats and Z are first line centers in terms of pay and quality).

Bolland is a joke to compare to Filppula.

Bolland is actually a pretty comparable player. Bolland is maybe a bit better defensively, Flip is maybe a bit better offensively. Either can play the defensive center role or the playmaking center role as necessary. Given the salary and play style and level, I actually can't think of anyone more comparable than Bolland.

[Theophany 110]

Bolland is actually a pretty comparable player. Bolland is maybe a bit better defensively, Flip is maybe a bit better offensively. Either can play the defensive center role or the playmaking center role as necessary. Given the salary and play style and level, I actually can't think of anyone more comparable than Bolland.

Except that Bolland can't score for crap, and Fil can actually dangle and get stuff done offensively.

Meanwhile, Fil is used as a shutdown center (obviously not to the same extent Z and Dats are) while Bolland isn't.

[Konnan511 1,736]

I love how Flip Franzen and Bertuzzi are/were all struggling and the guy who doesn't make the most gets singled out. Flip is going to finish with 20 goals and around 25 assists. All while playing near perfect defense. If it wasn't for the few games where Franzen and Bertuzzi couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat, Flip's numbers would look superb.

Flip's job is to shut down the other teams 1st or 2nd line and play excellent at even strength (He's continually near the top of the team in ES assists and points) while making very nice passes to our scorers. If our guys don't finish, his numbers don't look as nice, but as long as he keeps setting them up then i don't see anything wrong. Plus, Filppula is a strong finisher of the season, he usually starts off slow like the rest of the team for some reason.

I may be a Flip slappy, but I like to think of it as having conviction about one of our players. The majority of the board during the early parts of this season were calling for Cleary's head, but there were the few guys/gals that have defended him with conviction because they saw something in him, and look at Cleary now.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

How could we have kept Hossa? We were right up at the cap with Flip @ $3M (Over actually, counting Lilja). How could we have afforded another $2M+?

Let Hudler walk too. There's approximately the five million Hossa got per season.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Let Hudler walk too. There's approximately the five million Hossa got per season.

Out of curiosity, why would you want Hossa? Look at what his cap hit has done to the Hawks. The Hawks won the cup in spite of Hossa, not because of Hossa. Now, they might not even make the playoffs.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Out of curiosity, why would you want Hossa? Look at what his cap hit has done to the Hawks. The Hawks won the cup in spite of Hossa, not because of Hossa. Now, they might not even make the playoffs.

Because he's better offensively than Filppula and Hudler combined, not to mention one of the strongest defensive forwards in the league. Hossa's contract is a steal for what he brings to the table, it just isn't an ideal contract for that team.

You can't really blame Hossa either for the Blackhawks struggles. Him and Sharp have been reliable all season.

[Buppy 1,720]

Let Hudler walk too. There's approximately the five million Hossa got per season.

Hudler did walk that year, remember. It would have been more like no Bertuzzi and Williams, and possibly losing more than just Leino once we got healthy. And that's assuming we were willing to sign Hossa to that long term deal to keep the cap hit that low.

[Lonewuhf 47]

Let Hudler walk too. There's approximately the five million Hossa got per season.

It's fairly widely well known that the choice was between keeping Franzen or Hossa, so point your fingers at Franzen for that one. We also did make an offer to Hossa that was nearly identical to the one he got in Chicago. He went to Chicago because that's where he thought it was most likely to win a cup. Please stop with this "We should have traded x to keep Hossa!" nonsense.

Edited December 27, 2010 by Lonewuhf

[Guest Stolberg]

Out of curiosity, why would you want Hossa? Look at what his cap hit has done to the Hawks. The Hawks won the cup in spite of Hossa, not because of Hossa. Now, they might not even make the playoffs.

it's funny because you're wrong

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

It's fairly widely well known that the choice was between keeping Franzen or Hossa, so point your fingers at Franzen for that one. We also did make an offer to Hossa that was nearly identical to the one he got in Chicago. He went to Chicago because that's where he thought it was most likely to win a cup. Please stop with this "We should have traded x to keep Hossa!" nonsense.

Hossa was given more money to play in Chicago. It had nothing to do with the cup. He wanted job security after the experiment in Detroit failed.

[Lonewuhf 47]

Hossa was given more money to play in Chicago. It had nothing to do with the cup. He wanted job security after the experiment in Detroit failed.

His salary would have been almost identical, the only difference was that Chicago was offering a longer term. The bottom line is that he kept jumping to whatever team would win him the cup and Chicago was so stacked last year that that's where he thought was the best place to win it.

[Theophany 110]

His salary would have been almost identical, the only difference was that Chicago was offering a longer term. The bottom line is that he kept jumping to whatever team would win him the cup and Chicago was so stacked last year that that's where he thought was the best place to win it.

Hate to disagree with you, but he went with Chicago for job security. 12 years is better than what the Wings offered, and his wife liked Chicago more than Detroit.

[Konnan511 1,736]

it's funny because you're wrong

Cause his 1 goal in the finals was so vital? Or his 3 goals in the entire playoffs?

it's funny cause you're wrong

[eva unit zero 271]

Except that Bolland can't score for crap, and Fil can actually dangle and get stuff done offensively.

Meanwhile, Fil is used as a shutdown center (obviously not to the same extent Z and Dats are) while Bolland isn't.

Bolland's career highs are 19g-28a-47p, and he has been used as the shutdown center by Chicago.

Filppula's career highs are 12g-28a-40p. Last year he missed part of the season injured, but was on pace for 16g-36g-52p.

This season, Bolland has played 30 games and scored 5g-8a-13p while Filppula has played 35 games and scored 8g-11a-19p. These numbers project to season totals of 14g-22a-36p and 19g-26a-45p for Bolland and Filppula, respectively.

Bolland doesn't have a Franzen/Bertuzzi line, either.

[Guest Stolberg]

Cause his 1 goal in the finals was so vital? Or his 3 goals in the entire playoffs?

it's funny cause you're wrong

toews 3 assists in the finals were pretty cool

the hawks managed to prevail in spite of him though