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#21 stevkrause

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:24 AM

I'm not sure I like the idea of keeping Bert over Homer.

I don't think most of us are... but I really think Holmstrom is gonna hang them up after this year... the toll on his body has been brutal, if he's still playing, replace Bert with Holmstrom in that scenario...

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:28 AM

agreed.

my projected roster for next year:
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m)
Drew Miller ($0.750m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Kris Draper ($1.583m) / Darren Helm ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.800m)
Mattias Ritola ($0.600m)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($3.450m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($1.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

Jimmy Howard ($0.717m) / Chris Osgood ($1.417m)

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $53.663m; CAP ROOM: $3.137m BONUSES: $0.000m


Just when I thought this team couldnt get any softer...

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:33 AM

Just when I thought this team couldnt get any softer...

I didn't say that was my ideal roster, that's just what I think it WILL be...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

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Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:52 AM

Let me get this straight: we disparaged his attitude and commitment when he left the Wings to go to the KHL, and now we're begging to have him back when he throws a hissy-fit and wants to leave the team that is paying him $5m/year tax-free?

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:55 AM

54 19 35 54

PPG and 8th in scoring in the KHL sucks now? I'm no Hudler slappy, but that dog don't hunt.


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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:03 AM

I'm sure Hudler would put up good numbers in the AHL too. Actually I envision him being worse if he come back than when he left due to the slower play there.



Hudler obviously doesn't have an "out-clause" in his contract, the GM wouldn't be complaining if he didn't. I think it would be hysterical if Hudler disregards his contract TWICE, once here and once in the NHL.

I won't mind having Hudler back but if we don't have a definitive answer July 1st then I hope we move on. It was bad enough his stupid actions handcuffed Kenny last summer and I don't want it to happen again.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:06 AM

Just when I thought this team couldnt get any softer...


This team doesn't get tougher, but I don't think this team gets softer either.

Replacing noodle-boy Williams with Abby vs replacing Homer with Hudler is pretty much a wash.
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#28 stevkrause

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:10 AM

I'm sure Hudler would put up good numbers in the AHL too. Actually I envision him being worse if he come back than when he left due to the slower play there.



Hudler obviously doesn't have an "out-clause" in his contract, the GM wouldn't be complaining if he didn't. I think it would be hysterical if Hudler disregards his contract TWICE, once here and once in the NHL.

I won't mind having Hudler back but if we don't have a definitive answer July 1st then I hope we move on. It was bad enough his stupid actions handcuffed Kenny last summer and I don't want it to happen again.

Agreed... if he is coming back, it HAS to be by July 1st... also, I was pretty sure that he had an out clause... could be wrong...

This team doesn't get tougher, but I don't think this team gets softer either.

Replacing noodle-boy Williams with Abby vs replacing Homer with Hudler is pretty much a wash.

as far as pure toughness, replacing Holmer with Abs and Williams with Hudler is a better comparison - but basically same point, still pretty much a wash.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:11 AM

I stopped reading after the bolded part. I think it's hilarious that you assume because your ecstatic about Hudler's POTENTIAL return that everyone else will be. I'm not at all happy about the Red Wings being forced to take back a player who sucked this year (and wasn't amazing before) regardless of who it is.

Not like this post isn't something you haven't posted 5 times before whining about wanting Hudler back.


You don't think Wings fans would rather have Hudler than Williams? Because that's basically what it comes down to.

If Maltby and Holmstrom retire, we're basically looking at replacing Williams, Homer, and Maltby with Hudler, Abdelkader,
and a guy like Ritola, McGrath, or Oulahen,. Tell me how Wings fans would be unhappy with that change.

And "wasn't amazing before" is arguable given the fact that Hudler's 08-09 stats, not even factoring in ice time, tied for 73rd among all forwards in points, tied for 70th in goals, and tied for 60th in assists. Most players who put up similar kinds of numbers are generally worse than Hudler defensively if not far worse, and generally no better physically.

So what exactly about Hudler wasn't amazing?

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:14 AM

Why are people assuming Holmstrom will retire?

There was an article a couple of weeks ago implying that he would probably be re-signed.

http://www.detnews.c...0433/1128/rss16

Or has something changed since?

As for Hudler, yes please. Williams gone hopefully. I reckon Bert, Homer, Lids, Miller, Eaves, Helm, Abs, Lilja, Kindl will all be with the Wings next year. Possibly with 1m cap space.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:16 AM

Why are people assuming Holmstrom will retire?

There was an article a couple of weeks ago implying that he would probably be re-signed.

http://www.detnews.c...0433/1128/rss16

Or has something changed since?

As for Hudler, yes please. Williams gone hopefully. I reckon Bert, Homer, Lids, Miller, Eaves, Helm, Abs, Lilja, Kindl will all be with the Wings next year. Possibly with 1m cap space.

Story just said they were in talks... until it's finalized, I wonder how serious it is... his body takes an absolute BEATING... I hope I'm wrong to be honest, I'd love for him to be back next year

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:19 AM

82games, 23 goals, 34assists last year in NHL

54 games, 19 goals, 35 assists in the KHL... yeah that does suck.


So he sucks in the KHL... Seeing as though he was 8th in the league in scoring, who doesn't suck there? Top 3? Top 5? His pts per game went up 44%. What do you think he should have done to not suck?

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:38 AM

I'm sure Hudler would put up good numbers in the AHL too. Actually I envision him being worse if he come back than when he left due to the slower play there.


Hudler scored 97 points in 76 games in the AHL. That projects to 105 had he played the other 6. Yeah, he'd put up good numbers. His 61 assists are a club record, and had he played the full 82 he would have the points record also. If Hudler were to play in the AHL he would score probably 60-70 goals and 100 assists, and if he spent additional seasons there he would blow out Michel Picard's career scoring records.


Hudler obviously doesn't have an "out-clause" in his contract, the GM wouldn't be complaining if he didn't. I think it would be hysterical if Hudler disregards his contract TWICE, once here and once in the NHL.

I won't mind having Hudler back but if we don't have a definitive answer July 1st then I hope we move on. It was bad enough his stupid actions handcuffed Kenny last summer and I don't want it to happen again.


Yeah, I know you aren't interested in having an offensive whiz who is an excellent playmaker with very good finishing skills and if played on the top two lines will almost certainly be a point-per-game player, and having him signed for two seasons at a cap hit under $3 million. What a terrible thing to happen to the Wings. The only thing worse would be trading Holmstrom to Tampa for Stamkos, and Tollefson to Edmonton for their #1 pick. I mean, those things would be horrible moves for the Wings.

So he sucks in the KHL... Seeing as though he was 8th in the league in scoring, who doesn't suck there? Top 3? Top 5? His pts per game went up 44%. What do you think he should have done to not suck?


Outperformed talents who would still be first-liners in the NHL like Jagr and Fedorov...

Oh wait, NM.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:40 AM

Right, because I said him coming back would be a bad thing. :rolleyes:

It would be a bad thing if we don't know whether or not he's coming back by July 1st because it would mean Kenny probably wouldn't do anything in the free agency and we wouldn't be able to get who we wanted.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:41 AM

Hopefully Hudler comes back so we can trade him for a good North American player that actually shows heart.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:47 AM

I'm not sure I like the idea of keeping Bert over Homer.

I wouldn't do it.
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:47 AM

Hopefully Hudler comes back so we can trade him for a good North American player that actually shows heart.


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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:49 AM

Hopefully Hudler comes back so we can trade him for a good North American player that actually shows heart.


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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:52 AM

Hopefully Hudler comes back so we can trade him for a good North American player that actually shows heart.

You think we could trade him for the player that which we don't speak of? =) I would take that trade=)
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:55 AM

Outperformed talents who would still be first-liners in the NHL like Jagr and Fedorov...

Oh wait, NM.


Not outperforming talents like these: http://www.nhl.com/i...avid=nhl-search

You think we could trade him for the player that which we don't speak of? =) I would take that trade=)


If Hudler was given Crosby's body, Hudler would be twice the player Crosby is.

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