mccrimmon

[Broken 16 381]

Haven't read the thread, but it seems like a lot of you guys assume that each coach is a completely seperate entity in charge of their little realms with no interference from outside sources. It doesn't work like that. Babcock is ultimately responsible. You want to blame a coach, blame Babcock. I do. It's his responsibility to keep this team up and get his message through. He'll find a way.

A lot of you are giving McCrimmon credit for a lot more power than he actually has.

when something breaks - look to what has changed

Lol... if only building hockey teams were that easy. A lot has changed besides just McCrimmon. Like I said, you guys are giving him WAY too much credit for the amount of power he actually possesses.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I'm not a huge fan of McCrimmon because the results speak for themselves, but most of the blame needs to go on the guys actually playing the game. The top four is the same defense core of 2008 and that team was lights out defensively. Maybe McCrimmon's schemes are faulty, but since none of us know for a fact, I'm going to assume the guys on defense just haven't focused for 2.5 years running now. Remember the regular season of 2009? The Red Wings couldn't keep the puck out of the net and then April came around and they were back close to 2008 form in their own zone. So they clearly can do it even with McCrimmon behind the bench.

I think the defensive performance this season is even more glaring because Howard is nowhere near the level that he was a year ago. I know many here that say the goaltending has been hung out to dry, but Jimmy Howard deserves plenty of blame for the Red Wings giving up 3-5 goals every night they take the ice since December.

Everyone needs a scapegoat, but I'm blaming this entire team because I know they can play defense if they want to. It's lack of focus and my hope is that "flipping the switch" in April doesn't completely backfire. Bad habits don't go away quickly. They need to clamp down on defense down the stretch or we'll have a nice long summer to find someone to blame.

[titanium2 867]

Haven't read the thread, but it seems like a lot of you guys assume that each coach is a completely seperate entity in charge of their little realms with no interference from outside sources. It doesn't work like that. Babcock is ultimately responsible. You want to blame a coach, blame Babcock.

Thank you. That's what I've been wondering ever since we started to dog pile on him. And I found a couple days ago that good 'ol trusty George Malik echoed a similar sentiment:

Interesting comment I found at the bottom of an mlive article:

So I've been wondering about McCrimmon and I've asked a few of the media members but I only got a response from former mlive employee George Malik:

"According to the Wings' PR staff, the assistant coaches are off limits to the media. We don't hear from them because it's Babcock's contention and, moreover, John Hahn's contention that Babcock speaks for the coaching staff, and MacLean and McCrimmon should be left alone to do their jobs without interference.

McCrimmon and MacLean do what assistant coaches do--they manage the offense and defense, respectively, in terms of line changes, they help develop drills specifically tailored to help their charges, and they help Babcock coach the team.

McCrimmon does NOT have the final say regarding the pairings or the Wings' defensive schemes, however. Babcock does, and if the team's suffering, the entire team is to blame, not one person, and not just the coaches."

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/02/red_wings_put_emphasis_on_allo/2272/comments-2.html

Most of us on here pretty much already knew all that but still interesting to hear nonetheless.

[sputman 1,268]

Previous posts aside (pointing out other changes since then), correlation does not imply causation. Cum hoc fallacy and all that.

you can't deny the evidence

[evilzyme 769]

What you're saying is, the defence is actually a bunch of pirates, due to global average temperature increasing our defence is slowly not showing up each and every game... interesting.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

you can't deny the evidence

Interesting....

So the number of pirates has gone down as the temperatures have gone up? I knew it. This is all s***tsberg's fault. The number of baseball players goes down due to warmer temperatures. The baseball players don't have a job so they start playing hockey, and there's less Pirates. I guess we better get the Tigers to lace up the skates and shore up the defense, huh? Verlander as the sniper we've been looking for? lol.

Edited February 11, 2011 by HOCKEY MATTERS

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

You just don't see many pirates in the NHL; maybe it has something to do with getting the parrot to stay on your shoulder when they're skating.

In the end, McCrimmon has to answer to people above him. If they're not happy with the way he's doing his job, we'll read about it when he's let go.

[ACallToArms 270]

I don't know if this has been brought up before, I haven't read through all 4 pages of this thread...

The current D problem is most likely not 100% McCrimmon's fault. Our D has no vigor, and it looks like they're not even trying a good portion of the time. Maybe its complacency, lack of motivation? This is what a coach needs to do, figure out what the problem is and fix it. McCrimmon has failed to do that, get rid of him, and perhaps trade one of our D-men to show the team that nothing is sacred, and if you aren't performing you aren't going to have a place of the team.

[edicius 3,269]

Previous posts aside (pointing out other changes since then), correlation does not imply causation. Cum hoc fallacy and all that.

What if it's happened in more than one case? Exact same thing happened in Atlanta when McCrummy came in.

[stevkrause 1,247]

What if it's happened in more than one case? Exact same thing happened in Atlanta when McCrummy came in.

Ding. Ding. Ding.

As I've already said SEVERAL time on this topic...

...I think one of the main problem lies on McCrimmon, not solely and I never said it was 100% his fault, however, he is not doing his job as well as he could with what he is given and THAT is why I think he should be replaced. - he is not even meeting expectations, let alone surpassing them...

Edited February 11, 2011 by stevkrause

[VM1138 1,921]

It may not be 100% his fault, but not only did the numbers tank after McCrimmon got here, he was also renowned for being a terrible defensive coach in Atlanta. Those are two HUGE coincidences.

It wouldn't hurt to replace him.

Also, for all our talk about complacency among the D-core, is that not one of the signs of a weak coach? They set the tone for the players.

Edited February 11, 2011 by VM1138

[stevkrause 1,247]

It may not be 100% his fault, but not only did the numbers tank after McCrimmon got here, he was also renowned for being a terrible defensive coach in Atlanta. Those are two HUGE coincidences.

It wouldn't hurt to replace him.

Also, for all our talk about complacency among the D-core, is that not one of the signs of a weak coach? They set the tone for the players.

EXACTLY

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Well.

[edicius 3,269]

Well.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

[Echolalia 2,961]

Who knows who the cause of the defensive struggles are without lockerroom access? It could be Babs, McCrimmon, the players, all the above, etc. We may likely never know.

However, as defensive coordinator, McCrimmon has proven that he isn't part of the solution. I want a coach in Detroit who can take prerogative and come up with innovative and effective solutions. I haven't seen any of that in a couple years.

[ben_usmc 253]

you can't deny the evidence

And everyone thought I was crazy when I said to cure global warming we must kill jack sparrow

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Who knows who the cause of the defensive struggles are without lockerroom access? It could be Babs, McCrimmon, the players, all the above, etc. We may likely never know.

However, as defensive coordinator, McCrimmon has proven that he isn't part of the solution. I want a coach in Detroit who can take prerogative and come up with innovative and effective solutions. I haven't seen any of that in a couple years.

Edited March 7, 2011 by Hockeytown0001

[Echolalia 2,961]

I'm ready for it. My only concern is whether the players will respect his opinions and view him as a defensive coach, or the 6th/7th defensman that they used to play alongside.

I know he has the fiery passion for it, and I think I remember hearing he's interested in a coaching position.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

I'm ready for it. My only concern is whether the players will respect his opinions and view him as a defensive coach, or the 6th/7th defensman that they used to play alongside.

I know he has the fiery passion for it, and I think I remember hearing he's interested in a coaching position.

This.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Id give my left nut to have hitch come in and take over for mccrapy. i mean, hed be going down in the coaching hierarchy, but if he wants to win....

Imagine if we had hitch as coach and: lids (doughty), rafalski, kronwall, stuart, kindl, bogosian, smith as d next year.... remember i said "imagine" i know its not going to happen. that d unit would kill. other teams would score negative goals on us.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Hitchcock a Wing? Hmm.

[wingslogo19 281]

Id give my left nut to have hitch come in and take over for mccrapy. i mean, hed be going down in the coaching hierarchy, but if he wants to win....

Imagine if we had hitch as coach and: lids (doughty), rafalski, kronwall, stuart, kindl, bogosian, smith as d next year.... remember i said "imagine" i know its not going to happen. that d unit would kill. other teams would score negative goals on us.

Would love that dream to be reality that's for sure.. That just says stanley cup

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

Get rid of him please...

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Not that I especially like McCrimmon, but what's the explanation for the 2009 playoffs?

I think the blame needs to mostly be on the guys getting paid to play attempt defense. Even though Lidstrom and Stuart are the only two that have any damn clue in their own zone, maybe we need to split them up and see if Stu can get Kronwall going and likewise for Rafalski with Nick.

I find it hard to believe the same group of players from a stellar defense just years ago, minus the third pairing, suddenly became lost because of a coach. It's a lack of focus and willingness to do the things that made them elite in their own zone while also leading them to a championship. If they want to get back to it as a team, there's plenty of time to do so. If not, we'll have plenty of time to discuss who's at fault this summer.

Edited March 8, 2011 by GoWings1905