Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 See I don't know. Isn't maybe a little unfair to reference production from the 08-09 season? That team, when healthy, had incredible depth. Perhaps, but I think an argument could be made both ways when referencing depth. The team was incredibly stacked so Huds was more likely to have strong support around him, thus put up more points. At the same time, because the team was so stacked, Huds wasn't a top 6 forward, nor was he getting top 6 minutes. Next year he'll certainly have more opportunities to score and make plays than two years ago, but he needs to be more of a leader on the ice as well. Having said that, I still think 70 points is doable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hossa4Life 4 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Does that mean Babcock might actually play Hudler... say in key situations where the Wings need a goal (as opposed to renowned goal scorers like Draper and Kopecky (last year)), and give him more than 2 games at a time on the second line? Because I just don't see Hudler, or anyone, scoring 70 pts with 12-13 minutes of ice time. A very old argument that is still alive. http://www.letsgowin...opic=39859&st=0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 I thought he was implying that the offensive threat of Hudler's return will result in a net gain of 70 points, not necessarily 70 for Hudler himself. 1 NGKEIB reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Dats and Z had off years cuz of all the injuries. Dats and Z are still good for a 1 ppg. I dont see either breaking 90 but they should be good for 75-85 pts. Hudler could hit 70 but alot would have to go right. Franzen/Dats/Homer Bert/Z/Hudler Cleary/Flip/Eaves Miller/Helm/Draper Ritola Abby is NHL ready but id rather keep miller and let abby continue to develop in the AHL. Abby would be the first to get called up if someone gets hurt and i dont see Homer or Draper playing past this next season at least not with the wings. So that would open a spot for him next year for sure. Some of our PKers are getting old and it would be nice to have Miller to make it easier on guys like Dats, Z and Cleary. Plus Miller showed he has some offense upside. I think Homer will return along with Nick. Bert is the one im not sure about. If bert leaves Franzen/Dats/Homer Flip/Z/Hudler Cleary/Abby/Eaves or Miller Draper/Helm/Eaves or Miller Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paolino99 5 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 I personally think that Huds can hits 60/65 pts in regular season next season.. The KHL experience probably improves the goalscoring touch of this good forward! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Jiri Hudler threads seem to bring out the best in terms of both extremes of people disliking him and overvaluing him. and *sigh* at the same time. I'd love to see 70 points happen for Hudler but that's a bit of a reach me thinks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nutz2u Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Wonder if he expects datsyuk and zetterberg to put up 70 again as well. How bout Cleary and Flip? Both of them make a bit more money and in the past got more ice. Babcock should go public and put pressure on them to produce 70 or more points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) I dont know why everyone wants Miller and Eaves back i like Miller but Eaves does everything Miller does and seems to be more gifted offensivly. We already have 2 lines of pluggers we need to go back to 08 and get some more depth in scoring into the line-up Franzen-Zetterberg-Holmstrom Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Hudler Cleary-Filppula-Ritola/Tatar Eaves-Abdelkader-Helm Draper Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Filppula-Hudler Cleary-Abdelkader-Bertuzzi Eaves-Helm-Ritola/Tatar Thats 3 solid scoring lines with a awsome grinding 4th line, i would love to see Tatar or Ritola in there full time next season finally get some young guys up while they are still young. Edited May 13, 2010 by king_malice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 My guess is that Hudler will record between 50-65 points. 70, however, isn't out of reach for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Wow, I'm surprised someone else here besides you sees him scoring 70 points. Everytime we have a thread like this on LGW, something bad happens. Last year we had a "Will Franzen get 50 Goals" thread, and we've had a Zetterberg thread that was the same and of course that "Will Datsyuk Get 100 points" thread. If those guys couldn't reach their fantasized projections, I can't see Hudler doing it. He's never hit 70 points, and now we may not have Lidstrom back next year and Hank and Pavel barely hit 70 this year. I just don't see it. If he hits 50 points, I say that's a pleasant surprise and a success. Jiri Hudler will not score 70 points next season. 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 I think that Datsyerberger's point is a valid one - is it certain that Babcock was referring to Hudler's points, or the net point gain that his return would inspire (e.g. Cleary getting more as well)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Possible?...Yes, but unlikely. I see Hudler getting 55-65 points...Hopefully Filppula will get the same. Filppula is all around a better player than Hudler.Hopelly Filpula can pick up 70. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 If the kid can get 56 points playing no more than 13 minutes a night... then how is it so impossible to think that with 16-19 minutes a night he can get 14 more points? This thread is pure speculation on the negative side of things. Smile, 14 points is achievable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Can't see 70 for Val either... We have been waiting and hoping for that now for some time. The guy has all world talent without the "finnish". Yeah that was a weak pun but really the guy can't score. Huds is a lot more likely to get to 70 but lets be honest, 55-65 thats probably his possible high mark in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Flip may be better all around, but he is nowhere close to Hudler offensively. Also, personally I wouldn't make a thread that consists entirely of "there I said it" and then call people out for irrelevant responses. I see Hudler winding up right around 65-70 depending on health. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Can't see 70 for Val either... We have been waiting and hoping for that now for some time. The guy has all world talent without the "finnish". Yeah that was a weak pun but really the guy can't score. Huds is a lot more likely to get to 70 but lets be honest, 55-65 thats probably his possible high mark in the NHL. He's been a disappointment.Hudler won't be doing anything amazing either.In my opinion,he's way overpaid.Wouldn't mind them being shipped out of town. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 He's been a disappointment.Hudler won't be doing anything amazing either.In my opinion,he's way overpaid.Wouldn't mind them being shipped out of town. Power play improves a bunch but we have known about Huds coming back for a while now and it hasn't excited me to the point where I think we don't have to make some sort of move. I trust in Kenny we are getting some cap space back and he will pull the trigger on the right guy, just hoping its a younger blue liner that can hit and man the point on the 2nd unit. And of course my new guy Lombardi haha but who knows... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 Of course he won't score 70. What do you take him for, some kind of 4th liner? It's 100 or bust for Happy Hudler, folks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) Power play improves a bunch but we have known about Huds coming back for a while now and it hasn't excited me to the point where I think we don't have to make some sort of move. I trust in Kenny we are getting some cap space back and he will pull the trigger on the right guy, just hoping its a younger blue liner that can hit and man the point on the 2nd unit. And of course my new guy Lombardi haha but who knows... I think we need a gritty tough guy or two,and like you said a solid defenseman whos physical and move the puck.As for Lombardi,his price tag may be too much for us. Edited May 13, 2010 by Bring Back The Bruise Bros Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted May 14, 2010 Of course he won't score 70. What do you take him for, some kind of 4th liner? It's 100 or bust for Happy Hudler, folks. 100 points? Who do you think he is, Helm? Hudler doesn't have that kind of upside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted May 14, 2010 People really undervalue what Hudler brings to the team, imo. 70 points with top 6 minutes isn't really a huge stretch for Hudler. He'll see lots of powerplay minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted May 14, 2010 exactly Hudler adds more playmaking and scoring,which we can defintly use, or should we just resign Williams again maybe it will work out this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted May 14, 2010 I think that Datsyerberger's point is a valid one - is it certain that Babcock was referring to Hudler's points, or the net point gain that his return would inspire (e.g. Cleary getting more as well)? Neither. Babcock clearly meant that Hudler is worth 70 points in the standings. Expect the wings to finish the year with about 170 points next year. Now some of you Hudler haters out there might say "but that isn't even mathmatically possible" well lets just wait and see who is eating crow after next season. 1 Echolalia reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted May 14, 2010 He's been a disappointment.Hudler won't be doing anything amazing either.In my opinion,he's way overpaid.Wouldn't mind them being shipped out of town. LOL. God damn you're stupid. "Way overpaid"?Make a list of guys who put up 57 points who make less than Hudler and who were AVAILABLE on the market. Not to mention this guy did it playing 3rd line minutes. 1 redwing_78 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted May 14, 2010 Hudler has the potential to hit 70, for sure. Super little player who's offensive ability is often underrated by Wings fans. 1 Finnish Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites