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In my mind Abdelkader will get something like 900K-950K, but that still works!

I supposed Abby is a 2nd round pick but I don't know about that. I think the reason why Helm's was higher than I expected is because of his performances in the 08 and 09 playoffs and including this past season where he led forwards in PK time I believe.

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Yeah i'd guess it will be pretty darn close to the 912 of Helm. But yeah...... that does work.

I'm cool with 200k cap room. 2 extra forwards, 1 extra D. The only time it would cause a problem is if we had 3 forwards injured at the same time without any of them injured enough to do LTIR which is what 10 games? Same thing with defence but it would be 2 at a time could be a problem. And if i understand it correct the problem would go away the second half of the season but i might be wrong. Having no cap room with a roster of 21 is plenty sketchy but I think we'd be ok.

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Well I assume the announcement will be coming soon. I doubt Abby would take a ton, especially being aware of the cap crunch and the pursuit by Kenny of Willie Mitchell. I bet Abdelkader realizes this team needs every penny it can save to be able to get what they (Kenny&Co.) feel are needed to bring Stanley back where it belongs! :thumbup:

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Couldn't we also sign Mitchell for a 2 year, 3/4 mill deal, with this year being 1m, and next year being 2? Something like that, that would cut his cap hit down a bit, thus making him available, and also giving him more money next year, when we have it?

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cap hit is an average of the total sum. a multi-year offer probably is Kenny's only availbale sweetener... well, that and a good chance to go deep in the playoffs. :lol:

i can't fathom many teams even considering giving him a two+ year offer, especially with his concussion woes. lets hope the Wings' Doctors have thoroughly sleuthed this one out. besides, he is under 35, is he not? shouldnt his cap hit be wiped out if should he retire??

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True, but then the question is whether we want to sigm him to a multi-year deal, given both his age and recent concussion problems.

Was thinking the same thing...I'm certain at his age Mitchell wants nothing less than 3 years, and would prefer a 4 to 5 year deal.

With that in mind - Holland could do his usual tactic of giving him a 4 year deal with the $$$ loaded up on the 1st two years with then a decreased amount for the following two.

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I would be alright with him being on a 3-4 year basis. Lids and Raffi are both going to retire relatively soon, and he could be a possibility to make our transition a little smoother. We won't be doing anything crazy like 17 years or anything, but a small maneuvering of the cap could land us Mitchell and solidify our D for at least a few years.

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How about

Lindstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Lilja - Mitchell

Erickson scratched

Resign Lilja please Erickson makes to many mistakes to play everyday.

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How about

Lindstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Lilja - Mitchell

Erickson scratched

Resign Lilja please Erickson makes to many mistakes to play everyday.

How about no?

Ericcsson had some rough patches last season, but he still has more potential at this stage of his career then Lilja could ever dream of. The only way he can mold into the defensemen that he could be is to give him more minutes. In addition, we can't have Kindl rotting away in the minors another year, it's time for him to show if hes got a shot in the NHL, and starting him out as a 7th defesnemen would allow him to ease in. And this isn't even taking into account Lilja's salary demands, which would make signing Mitchell impossible.

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How about

Lindstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Lilja - Mitchell

Erickson scratched

Resign Lilja please Erickson makes to many mistakes to play everyday.

If the Wings have 3.5+ million for players, why sign Modano and use the 5 million to make a play at a high value player? the easy answer is: the Wings dont have 3.5+ million to afford both lilja and Mitchell.

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The best case scenerio would be Rafalski waiving his NTC.

Lidstrom- Mitchell

Stuart-Kronwall

Kindl-Lilja

-Ericsson

Kindl needs to play, or he will picked up on waivers. Use Rafalksi's cap space for next season or waive Osgood and sign Niemi. Niemi-Howard! woot woot woot

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If the Wings have 3.5+ million for players, why sign Modano and use the 5 million to make a play at a high value player? the easy answer is: the Wings dont have 3.5+ million to afford both lilja and Mitchell.

honestly, how much sucess have the Wings had signing or trading for that HIGH dollar player? The Wings succeed more often with the middle to low income players who come in to work their assess off for a Cup, not to take a discount to float around and be the go to guy. (not to say Hossa was a floater, he was actually pretty good defensively.) They'll be more successful signing Modano, Mitchell, Eaves & Miller rather than signing Kovalchuk. I can only hope that Mitchell would come play here, three or four year contract would be great! As long as the Cap hit didn't cripple us...

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So this means he could accept a 1.5M contract (with bonuses)... that sounds like a reasonable price?

I don't like the idea of us getting caught up in bonuses, because that just shifts cap problems from one year to the next. Let us ask Chicago how it works out to do that...

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I don't like the idea of us getting caught up in bonuses, because that just shifts cap problems from one year to the next. Let us ask Chicago how it works out to do that...

I just read minutes after this post that we gave Modano 500k next year for bonuses?!?!? WTF I just lost alot of respect for that signing. We better win this year because this might make it harder to win next year.

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I just read minutes after this post that we gave Modano 500k next year for bonuses?!?!? WTF I just lost alot of respect for that signing. We better win this year because this might make it harder to win next year.

his cap hit is 1.75M.. most definitely spells the end of meech/ritola/miller. especially if we sign mitchell or someone of the like.

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How about

Lindstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Lilja - Mitchell

Erickson scratched

Resign Lilja please Erickson makes to many mistakes to play everyday.

Lindstrom, really? And Erickson... but that's less important.

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I just don't see Mitchell leaving Vancouver. It means a great deal for him to stay in Vancouver. He's home-grown, and dreamed of playing for the Canucks his entire life. There's even a photo floating around somewhere of him at about 4 years old in a Canucks jersey. I doubt he can picture himself in another uniform any better than Canucks fans can can. I know there have been other current Canucks who have been on the team longer, but next to Trevor Linden, for me, there is no Canuck who seems like a better fit for Vancouver than Willie Mitchell. I think he'll take a home-town discount to stay and prove his durability. The wild card is if there are issues which we know nothing about.

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I agree that Mitchell in a jersey other than a Canucks jersey would be odd, but not every organization is as loyal as the Detroit Red Wings. In addition, the Canucks are overstacked with defensemen right now. Ehroff, Bieksa, Edler, Salo, Rome, O'Brien, and I believe Alberts is under contract as well. I just can't see him back in Vancouver.

*Add Hamhuis and Ballard

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I don't think the Wings can afford him anymore.

For those who were arguing that the Modano signing in no way affected signing a physical defenseman, Mitchell is a pretty good example of that not being true. They may be able to get a plug, but they sure can't get a guy who could potentially have been in the lineup for a few years and helped stabilize our D when Lids retires.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2010/08/red_wings_among_teams_interest.html

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For those who were arguing that the Modano signing in no way affected signing a physical defenseman, Mitchell is a pretty good example of that not being true.

Can't really say until he actually signs somewhere and we can see the contract he got. The $1.25M they spent on Modano may have been the difference, but maybe not.

They may be able to get a plug, but they sure can't get a guy who could potentially have been in the lineup for a few years and helped stabilize our D when Lids retires.

I don't think you really want to shape your long-term defense around a guy with a wonky head. Besides, while Mitchell is a good player, there are plenty of similar-quality Dmen that hit the free agent market every year. We won't be looking back wistfully on "the summer we missed out on Willie Mitchell." If the Wings have the money they'll get their man.

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I agree that Mitchell in a jersey other than a Canucks jersey would be odd, but not every organization is as loyal as the Detroit Red Wings. In addition, the Canucks are overstacked with defensemen right now. Ehroff, Bieksa, Edler, Salo, Rome, O'Brien, and I believe Alberts is under contract as well. I just can't see him back in Vancouver.

*Add Hamhuis and Ballard

The atmosphere around the Canucks has changed a great deal since Mike Gillis took over. Players are not only choosing to stay in Vancouver at a discount, but they're coming to play here at a discount too.

Yes we're already stacked with defencemen, but Salo will be on injured reserve for a long time and that comes off the cap. Also, odds are that Bieksa is on his way out and Alberts will probably find a new home in Manitoba.

On an unrelated note...

Was anyone else having trouble getting redirected to Facebook when trying to view this thread? The thread would open, and then about 5 seconds later it would get redirected to Facebook. It was annoying as hell. Never seen anything like it.

Edited by Chairman Maouth

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I'd say the odds of Mitchell signing with Detroit are about as good as Modano getting 30 goals this year, could it happen? Absolutely. will it happen? not likely

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