robb himself 143 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 So as you guys know, Doughty still has yet to sign a contract with LA. Do you think we should send an offer sheet? Should we try and trade for his rights? Even though we signed Commodore and White I believe we should do whatever it takes to get this kid. I just have a feeling he will end up one of the all time greats in his position. I would have no problem sending him a 10 year 70 mill offer sheet and losing those 1st round picks. Or a trade involving any combination of Filppula, Hudler, Ericsson, Emmerton, Mursak, 1st round picks (not all together but some combo of these guys). Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) I wish... Totally not gonna happen though. Edited July 4, 2011 by Nevermind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest echos myron Report post Posted July 4, 2011 Nothing is going to happen. Stop. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 Nothing is going to happen. Stop. Why? This is a discussion board. 3 Frozen-Man, Hockey13Playa and Drake_Marcus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 I'd love to have him but it seems unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest echos myron Report post Posted July 4, 2011 Why? This is a discussion board. Because I said so, duh. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 So as you guys know, Doughty still has yet to sign a contract with LA. Do you think we should send an offer sheet? Should we try and trade for his rights? Even though we signed Commodore and White I believe we should do whatever it takes to get this kid. I just have a feeling he will end up one of the all time greats in his position. I would have no problem sending him a 10 year 70 mill offer sheet and losing those 1st round picks. Or a trade involving any combination of Filppula, Hudler, Ericsson, Emmerton, Mursak, 1st round picks (not all together but some combo of these guys). Thoughts? All of them together would still not get us Doughty 1 Drake_Marcus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest echos myron Report post Posted July 4, 2011 If we flip enough average players and prospects at a team, they'll surely give us one of their best. 2 haroldsnepsts and Heroes of Hockeytown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 If we flip enough average players and prospects at a team, they'll surely give us one of their best. They just might if they realize he is not going to sign with them. You are talking like they have him under contract which is not the case. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest echos myron Report post Posted July 4, 2011 They just might if they realize he is not going to sign with them. You are talking like they have him under contract which is not the case. Maybe. Chances are there's a dumber team willing to throw better stuff at them though. 2 haroldsnepsts and Heroes of Hockeytown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 echos myron I agree with you but let's not forget that we have some pretty good prospects and a lot of teams I would say look up to us in that regard or to our organization. So we might have some sort of advantage but still unlikely. Even if we somehow got Yandle or Doughty in one of thes pipedream situations I think that would mean we are going to trade either Stuart or Ericsson and or maybe Smith along with other people. Don't know if I would want that though either... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest echos myron Report post Posted July 4, 2011 echos myron I agree with you but let's not forget that we have some pretty good prospects and a lot of teams I would say look up to us in that regard or to our organization. So we might have some sort of advantage but still unlikely. Even if we somehow got Yandle or Doughty in one of thes pipedream situations I think that would mean we are going to trade either Stuart or Ericsson and or maybe Smith along with other people. Don't know if I would want that though either... I agree, but Emmerton and Mursak aren't exactly blue chippers. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 True but nevermind those two. I'm talking about Tatar, Sheahan, Callahan and or Nyquist. Also throw in like Helm or Abs in there with a 1st rounder. That seems more realistic and I wouldn't do it but that's just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KDDRWINGS1 9 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 Our D is pretty locked up so I'd rather go after Stamkos. Maybe Stevie will give him to us at a friends discount for say Hudler, a back rub and Griffins season tickets (upper bowl). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 yep Stevie loading up before he comes back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 So as you guys know, Doughty still has yet to sign a contract with LA. Do you think we should send an offer sheet? Should we try and trade for his rights? Even though we signed Commodore and White I believe we should do whatever it takes to get this kid. I just have a feeling he will end up one of the all time greats in his position. I would have no problem sending him a 10 year 70 mill offer sheet and losing those 1st round picks. Or a trade involving any combination of Filppula, Hudler, Ericsson, Emmerton, Mursak, 1st round picks (not all together but some combo of these guys). Thoughts? I would have much rather signed Doughty instead of Commodore or White but what's done is done. I would definetly be on board of trading Filps, Huds and maybe even Sturat bringing Kolosov, Pyett or Smith up to take Brads place that way we'd keep most of our youth. I don't know how realistic that is and I'm sure many of you could find flaws in this idea but I hate the thought of losing Draft Picks and or Youth becasue now-a-days so many teams are building through the draft and IMO it's very important to keep as many as possible. I'd be more content with trying to offer 3 or 4 players for him. Just my idea, but I would definetly be on board for doing what we could to get him but with already signing 3 D-Men I just can't see Kenny H looking at D anymore this season. Now I think the focus has to turn to Goaltending for sue and when Camp comes looking to see if Emmerton and or Mursak could take Draper and Modano's places. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 4, 2011 Our D is pretty locked up so I'd rather go after Stamkos. Maybe Stevie will give him to us at a friends discount for say Hudler, a back rub and Griffins season tickets (upper bowl). Stevie only like the 'lower bowl'...he's a perv like that 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IllinoisRedWingsFan 49 Report post Posted July 5, 2011 I think we should send Doughty an offer sheet but I don't think we will win it because I could see LA matching it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 5, 2011 There's a reason nobody is sending an offer sheet to Doughty: it's just terrible form and earns the ire of other GMs. 2 ogreslayer and stevkrause reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 5, 2011 It would have to involve at least one of Kindl or Smith and probably also one of Kronwall, Stuart, or Ericsson. At least one first-round pick would be involved. Possibly two. Probably a forward as well. LA is pretty solid up front, and only has 5 defensemen signed on their active roster right now. So perhaps a deal like this: Ericsson, Smith, Tatar, 1st pick. The highest you can go under this format, of course, is: Filppula, Kronwall, Smith, two 1sts. Realistically, the second deal is overpayment and Holland definitely wouldn't make it. The first deal Holland might make. Don't know what LA thinks of Ericsson or what other teams would be offering, or if Doughty is even available... but that's a realistic trade. He's not worth much more than that, if at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 5, 2011 It would have to involve at least one of Kindl or Smith and probably also one of Kronwall, Stuart, or Ericsson. At least one first-round pick would be involved. Possibly two. Probably a forward as well. LA is pretty solid up front, and only has 5 defensemen signed on their active roster right now. So perhaps a deal like this: Ericsson, Smith, Tatar, 1st pick. The highest you can go under this format, of course, is: Filppula, Kronwall, Smith, two 1sts. Realistically, the second deal is overpayment and Holland definitely wouldn't make it. The first deal Holland might make. Don't know what LA thinks of Ericsson or what other teams would be offering, or if Doughty is even available... but that's a realistic trade. He's not worth much more than that, if at all. Although you may be right that it would take a package like this to move Doughty there is literally zero chance Holland would make that move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 5, 2011 There's a reason nobody is sending an offer sheet to Doughty: it's just terrible form and earns the ire of other GMs. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding Kevin Lowe showed how not to do the job of a GM is out of a job now because of it... the only other GM that comes to mind to sign someone to an offer-sheet, in the cap-era, is Doug "sign and trade" Wilson and I'm sure he'll be out of a job in SJ soon enough as well, as he is going to very likely crash and burn with other GM's and agents alike... and good luck being a GM when you can't negotiate with agents for contracts, or other GM's for trades... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 5, 2011 Although you may be right that it would take a package like this to move Doughty there is literally zero chance Holland would make that move. I said that was the highest deal my "format" would lead to, and was probably overpayment. I also said Holland wouldn't make it. Learn. To. Read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding Kevin Lowe showed how not to do the job of a GM is out of a job now because of it... the only other GM that comes to mind to sign someone to an offer-sheet, in the cap-era, is Doug "sign and trade" Wilson and I'm sure he'll be out of a job in SJ soon enough as well, as he is going to very likely crash and burn with other GM's and agents alike... and good luck being a GM when you can't negotiate with agents for contracts, or other GM's for trades... Don't forget Clarke signing Kesler to that offer sheet not long after the lockout ended. It's actually funny looking back...that offer was for just under 2m, and was considered a largely inflated offer sheet. Imagine if the Canucks hadn't matched and had just let him walk. Edited July 5, 2011 by Zetts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 5, 2011 Don't forget Clarke signing Kesler to that offer sheet not long after the lockout ended. It's actually funny looking back...that offer was for just under 2m, and was considered a largely inflated offer sheet. Imagine if the Canucks hadn't matched and had just let him walk. I completely forgot about that one... that one is a great example of my point too, because even though it didn't go through, where's Clarke GM'ing these days? It's just poor practice and will eventually come back to bite a GM in the ass... thanks for the memory refresher! In regards to your second point, no kidding, that would have been a colossal steal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites