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Who do you blame for this unsuccessfully playoff run

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Wow! 46-0 Holland. That is just BS. I personally didn't vote because the poll only had two options, neither one correct. How is it then that not one person here thinks out of the two guys, Babcock was more to blame? What was Holland supposed to do? The market was what it was and it was clear that you had to overpay in order to get certain guys. Holland already overpaid once by trading our first round pick for Q but to me that wasn't that bad of a move. Our D is definitely better with Q in the lineup over Kindl.

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How many times are you going to complain about getting negged?

As someone who has been here since the rep system was put in place, you should know how meaningless it is.

Agree. I once got negged just because I said Crosby is a better leader than Yzerman.

Go figure.

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But the teams that got some of those players are going to go farther in the playoffs than we have... I'm not sure if you're aware, but you can't win the cup being beaten in the first round.

You say this as if obtaining players would have guaranteed success. Take Vancouver: they were the most active at the deadline, and they're likely going to lose to an 8th seed. The Sharks acquired two players and are on the verge of elimination also. The Rangers acquired John Scott, who played only six games for the Rangers during the regular season and has been a healthy scratch thus far in the playoffs. The Senators acquired Matt Gilroy, who has played two of four games in the postseason and has had no impact. The Blackhawks, who acquired Oduya, are on the verge of elimination. The Devils acquired Zidlicky for a substantial price, and thus far he has about as much a positive impact as Quincey has (funny how people forget that Holland DID make a trade). In sum, of the teams that made moves, only Nashville and Boston are having marked success. Nashville was knowingly going for broke (for obvious reasons), and Boston's moves were minor.

Your hypothesis that "trade deadline moves = success" is incorrect.

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Holland completely. Theres more to it than this but ill keep it simple:

Before the deadline we were 3-1 against Nashville with 2 of those wins being 1 sided 4-1 drubbings.

After the deadline we were 1-6 against Nashville.

Our bottom 6 lacked the size/speed/grit to actually wear down the other teams defense and our top 6 really could have used another weapon to give Dats/Zett some support. They both had the puck on their sticks allot and tried to make plays but nobody could provide and option. Paul Gaustad IMO could have done wonders for this team instead of Kyle "footsteps" Quincey whodouble clutches the puck everytime he thinks a hits coming.

CBA runs until September right? So that means the cap is projected to reach 69-72 million. He better get his hat in the ring with some of the other top bidders for a few keys peices - our core can still win, but they need some support. This leagues getting fuller and fuller of NHL ready young talent every year and Holland needs to realize that.

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There were only two choices so I went with Holland. I do think that there are a lot more reasons then that though but he is the builder and hands out the contracts. He has made some great deals but he has also made some very bad contact choices (Mule) that will not be easy to sweep under the carpet. All I know is Kenny will have to make some moves and cut some ties in order to make this team a top contender once again. Babcock in the presser said what the problem is so the ball is in Kenny's court. He has the money and has the cap room. No excuses Mr.Holland.

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What irks most people is that we just lost (handily) to the team that was the most aggressive on deadline and appears to be having success. Especially considering the rumors linking Gaustad to Detroit for weeks before the deadline only have have him he a faceoff monster and provide some timely offensive production for them as well. If our first went for Gaustad and Smith took our 6th or 7th spot Im not saying it would have solved all our problems - but it certainly would have helped. ******* hindsight always being 20/20 ... I hate that

You say this as if obtaining players would have guaranteed success. Take Vancouver: they were the most active at the deadline, and they're likely going to lose to an 8th seed. The Sharks acquired two players and are on the verge of elimination also. The Rangers acquired John Scott, who played only six games for the Rangers during the regular season and has been a healthy scratch thus far in the playoffs. The Senators acquired Matt Gilroy, who has played two of four games in the postseason and has had no impact. The Blackhawks, who acquired Oduya, are on the verge of elimination. The Devils acquired Zidlicky for a substantial price, and thus far he has about as much a positive impact as Quincey has (funny how people forget that Holland DID make a trade). In sum, of the teams that made moves, only Nashville and Boston are having marked success. Nashville was knowingly going for broke (for obvious reasons), and Boston's moves were minor.

Your hypothesis that "trade deadline moves = success" is incorrect.

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I blame the guys on the ice in red and white.

I'm with this guy. The players needed to be better, they did not play to their potential.

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50% Holland for bring back most of this trash, year after year, and not trying to upgrade the team, which may help in the long run getting Lids back. Because he can make many improvements saying, look this is our plan for you to go out on top. If they brought in one more hardcore vet like Iggy, Doan, Morrow, there would be even more motivation to win 1 last cup for Lids and a first cup for them.

30% Babcock, for refusing to make players be held responsible for there s***ty play and his refusal to make changes whether regular season or playoffs. Hudler at the point on the PP, ya that was a good idea.... Lets try it a good 15-20x before we finally ******* realize that. Also letting f***s like Franzen and them play most of the series on the top line when that useless ***** refuses to cut to the center of the ice, or bitching about lack of physicality yet letting them all play with out it is his own damn fault. His late line combos, bert/dats/mule line didn't do s***, Nyquist/Homer/Emmerton line... WTF? But game 5 last 15min yeah lets finally put lines that looked good at certain points in the season or series back together, because what we did for majority of the time was oh so successful.

20% players, f*** most of you, excluding: Dats/Lids/Z/Nyquist/Helm

Wow! 46-0 Holland. That is just BS. I personally didn't vote because the poll only had two options, neither one correct. How is it then that not one person here thinks out of the two guys, Babcock was more to blame? What was Holland supposed to do? The market was what it was and it was clear that you had to overpay in order to get certain guys. Holland already overpaid once by trading our first round pick for Q but to me that wasn't that bad of a move. Our D is definitely better with Q in the lineup over Kindl.

Because teams are allowed to make moves before the season starts and even up to the point of the trade deadline

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there's plenty of places to point the blame, but at the end of the day...the team just sucked in the post season. for the most part jimmy looked good (with several exceptions) but damn...the "defense" should have tried helping him out once in a while. line passes were sloppy, and the wings just aren't agressive enough. we need younger guys who are bigger and meaner

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Holland could solve some issues last offseason.Scoring winger by signing Ryder,physical bottom liner/fighter/face off specialist with Konopka ,but can't also deny Ian White was a very good signing

Can't blame him for not be more active at the deadline,cause the price for every single player was a way too high.

People were upset with his trade for Quincey,so probable would act the same if he shopped for Gaustad

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How many times are you going to complain about getting negged?

As many times as I damn well want. Just like I'll complain about the weather if I want to, or the fact Old Navy didn't have the flip-flops I wanted in my size when I went shopping today. If you don't like what I have to say, you can either scroll pasts my posts, or put me on ignore. I won't give a f*** either way.

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You say this as if obtaining players would have guaranteed success. Take Vancouver: they were the most active at the deadline, and they're likely going to lose to an 8th seed. The Sharks acquired two players and are on the verge of elimination also. The Rangers acquired John Scott, who played only six games for the Rangers during the regular season and has been a healthy scratch thus far in the playoffs. The Senators acquired Matt Gilroy, who has played two of four games in the postseason and has had no impact. The Blackhawks, who acquired Oduya, are on the verge of elimination. The Devils acquired Zidlicky for a substantial price, and thus far he has about as much a positive impact as Quincey has (funny how people forget that Holland DID make a trade). In sum, of the teams that made moves, only Nashville and Boston are having marked success. Nashville was knowingly going for broke (for obvious reasons), and Boston's moves were minor.

Your hypothesis that "trade deadline moves = success" is incorrect.

Yep, that's why there is a trade deadline in the first place cause it makes no difference right? That's why most teams makes moves, for little to no return. Man, you've got it all figured out. We've damn sure seen what happens to Detroit lately when they don't make moves. Maybe Kenny should try it once in a while instead of "I like our team".

esteef

No kidding. I wish they'd just get rid of it again so that people would stop getting bent out of shape about it.

Says one of the kings of negs. :lol:

esteef

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Agree. I once got negged just because I said Crosby is a better leader than Yzerman.

Go figure.

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS!? Out of all the places on the internet, that happened here? omg! stop the presses!

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Yep, that's why there is a trade deadline in the first place cause it makes no difference right? That's why most teams makes moves, for little to no return. Man, you've got it all figured out. We've damn sure seen what happens to Detroit lately when they don't make moves. Maybe Kenny should try it once in a while instead of "I like our team".

I think you're missing my point. It has made less and less difference as parity in the league has increased, as there have been progressively less and less teams out of playoff contention at the deadline. The number of sellers this season was absurdly low, and thus so were the number of players available, and thus so were the number of trades made. Virtually nothing of significance was achieved this season at the deadline.

But thanks for your obnoxious reply. It adds to the discussion.

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Trying to address the issue at the trade deadline is almost always an expensive shot in the dark. I have been saying for months that Holland needed to TRADE one of his top six players to wake up the rest of very comfortable fatcats on this roster. Franzen is f***in lazy and now after his recent performance coupled with his enlighting statement to the media that the regular season BORES him, I wonder if he is even tradable with that awful contract.

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I think you're missing my point. It has made less and less difference as parity in the league has increased, as there have been progressively less and less teams out of playoff contention at the deadline. The number of sellers this season was absurdly low, and thus so were the number of players available, and thus so were the number of trades made. Virtually nothing of significance was achieved this season at the deadline.

But thanks for your obnoxious reply. It adds to the discussion.

Tell that to the Wings sitting at home right now. Gaustad killed in the faceoff dot and had a goal and an assist in the series, so did Kostitsyn. And that's just the trade pickups in our series. Radulov had a goal and 4 assists if you count him. But I'm sure you'll count that as "nothing of significance" to save your dumb argument. You sound more and more like Holland with every post.

Technically, an obnoxiously, it only really works out for one team in the end, the Cup winner.

esteef

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It is not an accident that the young fast teams with great goaltending are leading the way. All GM's should have seen this coming when the hooking and holding was taken out of the game. It allowed the speedy players to have the biggest impact. Experience and skill are no longer hallmarks of the game. Goals scored are not mostly the pretty goals by skilled players in the playoffs. They are scrappy and rebound goals put in by great skaters who will go to the net. But it starts with great defense as well as goaltending and the defenders have to contribute to the scoring by picking up the rebounds. EVERY line on the team has to have speedy good skaters. Every skater, IMHO, has to be good enough to kill penalties if necessary, although, you can not expect your highly skilled 5 on 5 goal scorers to spend time on every penalty kill.

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Tell that to the Wings sitting at home right now. Gaustad killed in the faceoff dot and had a goal and an assist in the series, so did Kostitsyn. And that's just the trade pickups in our series. Radulov had a goal and 4 assists if you count him. But I'm sure you'll count that as "nothing of significance" to save your dumb argument. You sound more and more like Holland with every post.

Technically, an obnoxiously, it only really works out for one team in the end, the Cup winner.

esteef

We may as well have traded that top pick for Gaustad instead of Quincey.

I know Lidstrom and Stuart are probably leaving, but Quincey won't replace either of those players adequately.

Gaustad is big, physical and a great faceoff man. We could use someone like that on our team right now, instead of some timid, turnover prone defenseman.

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Tell that to the Wings sitting at home right now. Gaustad killed in the faceoff dot and had a goal and an assist in the series, so did Kostitsyn. And that's just the trade pickups in our series. Radulov had a goal and 4 assists if you count him. But I'm sure you'll count that as "nothing of significance" to save your dumb argument. You sound more and more like Holland with every post.

Gaustad did well in the faceoff circle, yes. His goal? A lucky ricochet. Kostitsyn had a decent series. All told, though, they didn't have a significant (yup) impact, and it's fairly certain that Kostitsyn's trade to Nashville, of all teams, came because of his brother's presence. Radulov does not count; nobody else in the league had a star to retrieve from the KHL. As for the trade pickups in other series... they're doing nothing, Vermette excepted. As it seems unlikely that either the Predators or the Coyotes will win the Cup, I doubt that any team that made moves--and none of the moves made at this deadline were major--will be lifting the silver.

Do you really think Gaustad would have made the difference in this series? I doubt it.

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First I was going to say Kyle Quincey in an angry fashion for his awful brainfart in the final game, but as the game went on just needed to let that go. Obviously not just him.

People might insinuate this as me thinking the team could do no wrong or that I am a Holland apologist. Not what I am trying to say but if that's how you are leaning, not my problem. I chose him since those were the only 2 options, but it wasn't him alone.

I'm no GM, not sure if anything could've feasibly been done to get a big forward/two at the trade deadline, whatever. Could have helped in theory but at the same time, this was largely the same roster that tore through a home stretch in mid-season and was sitting pretty for a likely #1 or #2 seed. So, I guess I'll lay some blame on management, but not even close to the point where some get in here when "ZOMG WE DIDN'T MAKE A MOVE!!!!!" just for the sake of making one or for excitement.

Then injuries hit. I'm sorry, but you cannot prepare for so many regulars being out at roughly the same time. Just can't.

I guess other blame comes into getting back in a groove with players getting back. How long that should take or why or whatever, that's all subjective. Not really quantifiable.

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Gaustad did well in the faceoff circle, yes. His goal? A lucky ricochet. Kostitsyn had a decent series. All told, though, they didn't have a huge impact. As for the trade pickups in other series... they're doing nothing, Vermette excepted. As it seems unlikely that either the Predators or the Coyotes will win the Cup, I doubt that any team that made moves--and none of the moves made at this deadline were major--will be lifting the silver.

Do you really think Gaustad would have made the difference in this series? I doubt it.

Like I said he killed in the faceoff dot, averaged over 12 minutes a game and he had as many goals as our coveted expensive floater Franzen, which is big considering all the games were 1 goal games except one. And he's just a grinder. All that for a draft pick. It's not that he's a superstar, it's that he's the type of guy the Wings needed, but we all know how Kenny loves to dodge the tougher players. He damn sure could've made the difference, but we'll never know.

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