cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted August 13, 2012 “What we expect to do tomorrow is to put forth an alternative view as to what we should do next,” Fehr said Monday. “That’s the best way I can put it.” Despite that, the union thoroughly examined it over the last month before deciding there was no true counter-proposal to be made. Fehr will instead offer up a “different kind of an approach” — one that no doubt includes expanded revenue sharing and more flexibility under the league’s rigid salary cap system. “It’s how the players see the world,” said Fehr. This should be great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BostonBruinsDan1924 53 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Guess we'll see what comes out tomorrow...stay tuned! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryguy 103 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Saw this picture on tsn, is that dan cleary rockin the shades? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Here are some rumors http://www.sportsnet...a_negotiations/ As much as I'm interested in the league at least exploring the idea of a soft cap or luxury tax, there's no way a majority of owners or Bettman will go for that. But it at least tries to address what is one of the fundamental issues in the NHL today: the financial disparity between the franchises. That's my biggest problem with the NHL's proposal. Their demands are not only idiotically extreme, most don't really address the fundamental problems. Taking greater and greater percentages of the players money is not really a viable long-term solution for the league. The rich teams will still find ways to use their financial advantage to lure star players away from small market teams. My fear is that the two sides aren't even talking about the same problems, so it's not even really a negotiation. It should be a very interesting day tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Hey, look whose's "caddying" for Uncle Gary! 3 evilmrt, BostonBruinsDan1924 and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 While Fehr did not get into specific line-by-line details of the proposal, he did indicate that the players were willing to take reduced hockey-related revenue for the next three seasons and that it did not suggest the elimination of the league's hard cap.Fehr added that the union also asked that no changes be made in regards to player contracting rules. Well that's very good news that the players are willing to take reduced revenues and not trying to get rid of the hard cap. Even if it's the only change to contract rules though, they absolutely need to put some limit on length. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403068 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 "It's clear to me (the NHLPA) didn't put (the proposal) together in an hour or two," Bettman told reporters on Tuesday, confirming the league would evaluate the proposal at their offices. Nice sound bite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Nice sound bite. I think that's Bettman's idea of a compliment. What a diplomat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 "It's clear to me (the NHLPA) didn't put (the proposal) together in an hour or two," Bettman told reporters on Tuesday, confirming the league would evaluate the proposal at their offices. No truth to the rumor that Bettman finished that sentance with "...but it will only take us an hour or two to reject it". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 The longer this goes on, the less confident I am that this will be resolved. Which is going to royally piss me off. 2 Hockeymom1960 and Ally reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Hey, look whose's "caddying" for Uncle Gary! Surprise, surprise, Burke's tie is undone as to make him look frazzled and as though he has been working his butt off... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Fehr's press conference after the meeting. Not a whole lot of concrete details, but interesting to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 With what little info we have on the NHLPA proposal, to me the biggest sticking point is the CBA "snapping back" to the current one after three or four years. Unless Bettman allows these struggling franchises to fail, it's unrealistic to think that after a few seasons under this proposal things will be fixed enough that reverting to the current CBA makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chances14 227 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 article posted on tsn regarding the NHLPA proposal. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403068 The union says its proposal to the league includes a smaller percentage of revenues for players and an expanded revenue sharing program to help struggling teams. Fehr also said the union's proposal does not call for the removal of the hard salary cap the league won in the last round of negotiations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BostonBruinsDan1924 53 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 "Union leader Donald Fehr says players could give up as much as US$465 million in revenue under the proposal if the league continues to grow at an average rate. If the league grows at the rate it has over the past two seasons, he says the amount could reach $800 million." Today must be my "off day"...can someone explain to me WHY the players are giving this up?? Why would the Owners agree to return to the current system after three years of the new one? They have stated they have no interest in the current system and will not return to it. I wonder why this was even added. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 14, 2012 "Union leader Donald Fehr says players could give up as much as US$465 million in revenue under the proposal if the league continues to grow at an average rate. If the league grows at the rate it has over the past two seasons, he says the amount could reach $800 million." Today must be my "off day"...can someone explain to me WHY the players are giving this up?? Why would the Owners agree to return to the current system after three years of the new one? They have stated they have no interest in the current system and will not return to it. I wonder why this was even added. My interpretation of it (which is a best guess given what few details we know) is this is the unions way of saying they'll cut the ownership a break for a few years while they get their franchises in order and figure out how to make these smaller markets profitable. It doesn't seem very realistic that the owners will ever go back to the current CBA, but I think the NHLPA is at least talking about about the right issue, unlike the owners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) “Alternative system”, not "counter proposal". Interesting. Edited August 15, 2012 by cusimano_brothers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Well, I admit I am wrong. I thought Fehr and the players were going to lowball the union. This is good progress made by the players. Instead of being pricks like the owners, they took the high road and they put forward a good proposal. Lets see what happens with the owners now. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Surprise, surprise, Burke's tie is undone as to make him look frazzled and as though he has been working his butt off... Or hammered/hungover. Note the way his face seems to be falling apart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Saw a tweet...I think this is great, but it also would mean a shortened season: Jeff Marek @JeffMarekNHLPA proposal smartly crafted to position large market teams vs small market teams. Make this an internal owners fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 According to Rogers Sportsnet Ontario , when word came that Uncle Gary was going to make a statement right after this, the background banner couldn't be taken down fast enough by the NHLPA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Well that's very good news that the players are willing to take reduced revenues and not trying to get rid of the hard cap. Even if it's the only change to contract rules though, they absolutely need to put some limit on length. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403068 After finally getting around to reading that article, I liked that the players are being more reasonable than the initial dickweed proposal from the NHL, but at the same time, they didn't go into great detail as to what else was in the proposal and there's some things like contract length that seemed quite important to the owners. I hope that TSN isn't just leaving key info out of their stories to make a villian/hero scenarion with the owners/players. I'd like to see what else is in the players proposal. Don't want to read 8000 pages, but point form of each topic would be nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 A few quotes from Bettman's response, from THN's "The Stats Guy"... Bettman "its a little disapointing to not have their full slate of proposals with a month to go" Bettman: "still a wide gap between us with not much time to go" Bettman "sides are still far apart, different views of the issues" Not surprising, as I don't think anyone expected the League to accept the PA's first proposal any more than the PA would accept the League's first offer. That said, sure seems like Bettman's trying to angle towards the player's being the ones dragging their feet. Next meeting is set for one week from today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Bettman's response, from THN's "The Stats Guy"... He's such a prick. The NHLPA's response might have been more timely had they known the league's offer would be insane and not worth waiting to see before responding. 3 Hockeymom1960, Dabura and 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 He's such a prick. The NHLPA's response might have been more timely had they known the league's offer would be insane and not worth waiting to see before responding. Fehr had a pretty good followup response, as per Chris Johnston from The Hockey News... Don Fehr says the reason a wide economic gulf remains between the sides is because of the NHL's original proposal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites