kerism17 17 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) My trade proposal: TO ANAHEIM - Brad Stuart (signing rights), Jiri Hudler (signing rights), Johan Franzen, Jakub Kindl, 2012 4th Round Draft Pick TO DETROIT - Bobby Ryan, Sheldon Brookbank, Justin Schultz Edited June 8, 2012 by NeverForgetMac25 Topic Clarity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 What is this? Your own personal trade-proposal? You'll need to update your OP before this gets yanked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 What is this? You might want to update your OP before this gets yanked. I believe it's referred to as wishlisting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danielsm 244 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Oddly enough I had wanted a trade like this.. Would be good for both teams. 1 Cloune reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Decent trade. Edited June 8, 2012 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangleDangleBeach 16 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) trade is quite lopsided toward the wings. for a second we can pretend they can afford to sign both stuart and hudler... theres still no guarantee either of them will sign. ryan is so much better then franzen and its really not close and if anaheim is trading ryan you can i can assume they would want to guarantee themselves more then franzen, kindl and a 4th Edited June 8, 2012 by DangleDangleBeach 1 centcougar07 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danielsm 244 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 trade is quite lopsided toward the wings. for a second we can pretend they can afford to sign both stuart and hudler... theres still no guarantee either of them will sign. ryan is so much better then franzen and its really not close and if anaheim is trading ryan you can i can assume they would want to guarantee themselves more then franzen, kindl and a 4th Ryan had a s*** year last year and it could be because he doesn't want to play in Anaheim anymore. Just like Franzen wants "some fun". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangleDangleBeach 16 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Ryan had a s*** year last year and it could be because he doesn't want to play in Anaheim anymore. Just like Franzen wants "some fun". lol... bobby ryan is 25 and had 1 less point then franzen last year in his "s*** season" (57 points) with a 15.2 shooting percentage which is higher then johan has ever had. ryan s*** season point total ironically enough is actually 2 points less then franzens career year. if in ryan's s*** seasons he gets 2 less points then franzens career year... what incentive does anaheim have to swap a consistent 25 year old (4 years 30 goals is consistent) for an 32 year old who is consistently inconsistent? seems quite foolish from their perspective. 2 Uncle Danny and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 anaheim gets bent over and detroit has its way with it. seriously. Franzen, Kindl, Hudler(UFA rights maybe a 7th rounder) for Ryan? Stuart UFA rights for Schultz UFA rights = Fair Brookbank can't even be involved at this point. Bobby Ryan is younger, more potential, and better than Franzen, Kindl and a 7th. This trade makes Anaheim worse in a bad way. Kindl is a fringe nhl player and hudler is undersized (and they still have to sign him themselves). I mean there is enough quantity but the quality coming back to anaheim will prevent this trade from happening. Just so I'm not just turning your deal down, I will present a counter offer. People around here far too often just say no to people and don't offer opinion. Franzen, White/Ericsson, 2nd Round Pick for Ryan Stuart (UFA rights) for Schultz (UFA rights) I think that might work. Its a lot to give up, but Ryan is a young talent and an offensive upgrade on everyone not named Dats or Z in our top 6. 1 centcougar07 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diluvian04 11 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 anaheim gets bent over and detroit has its way with it. seriously. Franzen, Kindl, Hudler(UFA rights maybe a 7th rounder) for Ryan? Stuart UFA rights for Schultz UFA rights = Fair Brookbank can't even be involved at this point. Bobby Ryan is younger, more potential, and better than Franzen, Kindl and a 7th. This trade makes Anaheim worse in a bad way. Kindl is a fringe nhl player and hudler is undersized (and they still have to sign him themselves). I mean there is enough quantity but the quality coming back to anaheim will prevent this trade from happening. Just so I'm not just turning your deal down, I will present a counter offer. People around here far too often just say no to people and don't offer opinion. Franzen, White/Ericsson, 2nd Round Pick for Ryan Stuart (UFA rights) for Schultz (UFA rights) I think that might work. Its a lot to give up, but Ryan is a young talent and an offensive upgrade on everyone not named Dats or Z in our top 6. I like that second trade with Stuart for Schultz. The first is good too but I wouldn't mind seeing Quincey inserted in there somewhere in place of Ericsson. I guess I just like Ericsson better than Quincey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) I like that second trade with Stuart for Schultz. The first is good too but I wouldn't mind seeing Quincey inserted in there somewhere in place of Ericsson. I guess I just like Ericsson better than Quincey. Ya I agree that Ericsson is better than Quincey. But since Quincey is un-signed and an RFA Anaheim would still have to negotiate a contract that could be higher than they are willing to pay. The thing that makes Ericsson or White attractive is that they have a set cap that has no negotiation, I'm pretty sure Ericsson has a modified NTC though. I just don't see White in our future for some reason. How about I up the stakes. Filppula, White, Tatar, 1st 2013 for Corey Perry Anyone? I know they like their finnish players down in anaheim... EDIT: Remember that Perry is in the last year of his contract. How do you think this affects things? Edited June 8, 2012 by dirtydangles 1 centcougar07 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Ya I agree that Ericsson is better than Quincey. But since Quincey is un-signed and an RFA Anaheim would still have to negotiate a contract that could be higher than they are willing to pay. The thing that makes Ericsson or White attractive is that they have a set cap that has no negotiation, I'm pretty sure Ericsson has a modified NTC though. I just don't see White in our future for some reason. How about I up the stakes. Filppula, White, Tatar, 1st 2013 for Corey Perry Anyone? I know they like their finnish players down in anaheim... EDIT: Remember that Perry is in the last year of his contract. How do you think this affects things? That's a lot to give up IMO.. Yes Corey perry is good and they would want a lot for him but just not worth it.. Filpula is finally producing, Tatar could be good down the line (tho I wouldn't mind giving him up as a prospect in a good trade). White isn't the best but he is pretty solid. And then of course the first round pick is always valuable. I dont know what I'd counter with because I just think perry will be too expensive and probably stay with the ducks for a long time.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Rights to Hudler for the Rights to Prust. there's my trade. Stuart is apparently going to SJ going by some article... That would be the weirdest trade in NHL history. Here, you "try" to sign our scraps and we'll take the kid that just doesn't want to play on your team. k thanks. 2 hockeygirl8 and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Rights to Hudler for the Rights to Prust. there's my trade. Stuart is apparently going to SJ going by some article... That would be the weirdest trade in NHL history. Here, you "try" to sign our scraps and we'll take the kid that just doesn't want to play on your team. k thanks. Id want something back. What would we need to add to get doug murray? Like kindl and stuarts ufa rights? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 lol... bobby ryan is 25 and had 1 less point then franzen last year in his "s*** season" (57 points) with a 15.2 shooting percentage which is higher then johan has ever had. ryan s*** season point total ironically enough is actually 2 points less then franzens career year. if in ryan's s*** seasons he gets 2 less points then franzens career year... what incentive does anaheim have to swap a consistent 25 year old (4 years 30 goals is consistent) for an 32 year old who is consistently inconsistent? seems quite foolish from their perspective. Ryan's "s*** year" is not too far off from his career year. He gets more ice time than Franzen. The biggest differences between the 2 are age and durability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Id want something back. What would we need to add to get doug murray? Like kindl and stuarts ufa rights? We all want to get something back, but when there's common knowledge as to a selected destination that a player is going to, it makes it hard to get anything. Holland may be able to trade signing rights for a 6th rounder... Look at it this way, it the Wings sign Parise, Suter and Schultz, the Devils, Preds and Ducks most likely get sweet f*** all to compensate. This summer, it's gonna go both ways on losing and gaining for UFA. Quincey on the other hand, if he signs somewhere for 3-3.5 mil, the Wings get draft pick compensation from whatever team would sign him as an RFA. Lets hope the Isles throw 4 mil at him cause their D is absolutely terrible. Take the picks as compensation and sign Schultz and/or DeKeyser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 We all want to get something back, but when there's common knowledge as to a selected destination that a player is going to, it makes it hard to get anything. Holland may be able to trade signing rights for a 6th rounder... Look at it this way, it the Wings sign Parise, Suter and Schultz, the Devils, Preds and Ducks most likely get sweet f*** all to compensate. This summer, it's gonna go both ways on losing and gaining for UFA. Quincey on the other hand, if he signs somewhere for 3-3.5 mil, the Wings get draft pick compensation from whatever team would sign him as an RFA. Lets hope the Isles throw 4 mil at him cause their D is absolutely terrible. Take the picks as compensation and sign Schultz and/or DeKeyser. Why would the Isles give up the picks (probable top 5 overall) when there are a bunch of UFA d-men available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 For Ryan? Try Franzen, Nyquist, Kindl and 2nd+5th For Justin Schultz, Rights to Stuart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangleDangleBeach 16 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Ryan's "s*** year" is not too far off from his career year. He gets more ice time than Franzen. The biggest differences between the 2 are age and durability. lol...you are so wrong on so many levels i dont know where to start. you do realize that at age 25 ryan has 136 goals in the nhl and franzen has scored 14 more goals at age 32???? lets not forget that 5 came from 1 game! franzens career year at age 32 was 58 points which is 13 points less then ryan's career year of 71 points. the problem here is ryan is 7 years younger and will only be getting better for the next few years whereas franzen's game has only declined. by the time ryan is franzen's age, im pretty sure he'll have more then 150 goals. at age 25 ryan's "s*** year", his 4th full season in the nhl, he became just the fourth player since the lockout to hit 30 goals in 4 straight seasons. kovalchuk, kessel, iginla are the other 3 but thats probably because of his ice time, right? the difference between ryan and franzen? one player has about 100x more potential, possibility to become elite, 100x greater work ethic, HEART, A BETTER nose for the net, a more consistent track record, hell, even better numbers yet is 7 years younger... if you really think the only difference between these two players is age then you just apparently haven't watched ryan play. im sorry bro... franzen just isnt that good. his value to you is WAYYYYYY higher then the value any other team would put on him. not saying teams wouldnt want him because somebody would, but to compare him to bobby ryan is so wrong its not even funny.... and it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ICE TIME Edited June 8, 2012 by DangleDangleBeach 1 Shaman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,916 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 If you want Ryan, this is what has to happen... Let Quincey walk and attain the 1st & 3rd for him... Now trade Franzen, Hudler (rights,) Stuart (rights,) DETROIT's 2013 1st & 3rd picks(keep the ones from the Quincey walk) for Bobby Ryan and Justin Schultz... You get Ryan, Schultz plus have more than likely a higher 1st and a high 3rd round pick in 2013... to ANA: J. Franzen, J. Hudler, B. Stuart, 2013 1st & 3rd to DET: B. Ryan, J. Schultz ...then you still acquire Parise and Suter and possibly that 4th line big man and there ya go! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 With all due respect, 25 year old signed long term Ryan is going to cost way more then we can pay. hell Boston and the rangers can both pay more than us, and both are looking for upgrades. if we are going to try to trade with the Ducks Perry is the guy we should be focsuing on. yes he is a bit better, but is a UFA next season, and i highly doubt that the Ducks can keep him. Plus those TV commercials with Nicky will help....LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Ryan is already signed through 2015. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,916 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 Ryan is already signed through 2015. Uh...Ya. We are "trading" for him in this thread... 1 Bar Down reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 I don't think it would ever happen, but I would do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Some combination of Franzen/Filppula/Nyquist/Smith/1st rounder for Perry. EDIT: I see I've been negged several times. To be clear: I'm not saying we should trade all of the above for Perry. I was saying, e.g., Filppula + Nyquist + a 1st. Edited June 9, 2012 by Dabura 1 Shaman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites