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John Shannon@JSportsnet

Told there is still no clear direction between the sides in setting up meeting.Also told decision might not be until Sunday. #tickticktick

this is ridiculous.

it should not take 48 hrs to decide to meet someone or not. the lack of urgency displayed by both sides during this entire lockout has been pathetic.

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this is ridiculous.

it should not take 48 hrs to decide to meet someone or not. the lack of urgency displayed by both sides during this entire lockout has been pathetic.

Yeah seriously I am just waiting for the usual "there is enough time to get a deal done left" someone better tell both parties that even the biggest and hockey craziest markets have abandoned the NHL for the time being.

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they have decided to meet and it only took 3 days to decide :sarcasm:

Aaron Ward@aaronward_nhl

Source,Meeting involving NHL Owners and Players to take place Tuesday with 6 Owners and approximately same number of players. #TSN

the bad news:

Elliotte Friedman@FriedgeHNIC

Owners -- Burkle (PIT), Chipman (WIN), Edwards (CAL), Jacobs (BOS), Tanenbaum (TOR), Vinik (TB).

nothing is going to get done with jacobs in the room. no Snider, Dolan, Molson, Rutherford, illitch or wirtz at the meeting is pretty telling. it will just be another wasted day at the office.

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they have decided to meet and it only took 3 days to decide :sarcasm:

the bad news:

nothing is going to get done with jacobs in the room. no Snider, Dolan, Molson, Rutherford, illitch or wirtz at the meeting is pretty telling. it will just be another wasted day at the office.

Agreed.

NHLPA requested that the mediators be present, NHL rejected it. NHLPA wants "staff" member present for each side so the NHL chose Daly. McKenzie speculates the NHLPA will counter with Steve Fehr.*

So in the end you have the same friggin owners, Daly, and Steve Fehr meeting with a handful of players.

Same old crap.

Since Jacobs is going to be there the NHLPA should pick Ian White, Lupul, and any other guys who've been critical of Bettman and the league.

*per Aaron Ward and Bob McKenzie's twitter.

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Agreed.

NHLPA requested that the mediators be present, NHL rejected it. NHLPA wants "staff" member present for each side so the NHL chose Daly. McKenzie speculates the NHLPA will counter with Steve Fehr.*

So in the end you have the same friggin owners, Daly, and Steve Fehr meeting with a handful of players.

Same old crap.

Since Jacobs is going to be there the NHLPA should pick Ian White, Lupul, and any other guys who've been critical of Bettman and the league.

*per Aaron Ward and Bob McKenzie's twitter.

they should televise that lol. i wonder if the players would have the guts to tell them they're idiots to their faces.

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A couple of thoughts:

1. Five easten owners, one western. Maybe that's significant, maybe not.

2. If Bettman's forced out, does Daly get his job? Ugh.

Wonder who will take over Fehr's job when he is out. I say an Ex-player who was never more than a 3rd liner who understand the value of money better. Edited by hillbillywingsfan

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Greg Wyskynski (Puck Daddy) hits the nail on the head regarding fan frustrations with this.

...It's December. We should be talking about the Winter Classic, the looming playoff picture, who's rigging the All-Star Game voting and Brian Burke's bizarre advent calendar on when not to make a trade.

But the NHL and the NHLPA had literally stolen that dialogue from us, chaining it up like the doors of a darkened arena on game night.

In turn, they've stolen a part of our identity. I don't know anyone that still doesn't self-identify as a hockey fan. But I know many that can't say they're proud to be one at this moment.

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I sure hope Donald Fehr will be staying where he is for a long time. If so, this will cramp Uncle Gary's colon terribly.

which will only mean more anger and mistrust between the 2 sides. that equals a guaranteed lockout.

both sides need to clean house and start over when this is done.

Tuesday's CBA negotations between the NHL and NHL Players' Association won't be lacking star power, as Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby and Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews will be among the players in New York City as the talks take place.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=410857

this meeting is looking more and more like a waste of time with every passing minute.

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The addition of Burkle in the room is promising, player friendly owner, tons of labour negotiation experience, etc. But, if Jacobs is still there, I'm not sure how far they are going to get.

I've seen various reports about who is going to be there from the players side (Crosby and Toews, Crosby and Aucoin), but I think, based on recent reports, is that several players will travel to NYC and then the larger group will decide the 6 that attend the meeting. I think Crosby and Aucoin was a good start in terms of balance from the players side though (younger guy making a lot of money and older guy close to retirement, not making so much).

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If memory serves me correct Uncle Gary, THE all-time leader in lockouts, suggested this "meeting".

Fixed it for you.

I'm sure it actually doesn't mean much, but I'd love to take this move as a sign that owners are unhappy with how he has handled these negotiations. If you're actually an asset in negotiating an agreement, you typically don't offer to remove yourself from the process.

Of course the owners share the blame, but Bettman is greatly responsible for handling and setting the tone of the CBA negotiations. As commissioner, everything ultimately is channeled through him. And through actions like consistently having Jacobs be his right hand man in the meetings, making that awful first proposal, and rejecting the NHLPA's offers within minutes, the tone he's set again and again to the players is "F You."

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Fixed it for you.

I'm sure it actually doesn't mean much, but I'd love to take this move as a sign that players are unhappy with how he has handled these negotiations. If you're actually an asset in negotiating an agreement, you typically don't agree to remove yourself from the process.

Of course the players share the blame, but Fehr is greatly responsible for handling and setting the tone of the CBA negotiations. As NHLPA Head, everything ultimately is channeled through him. And through his actions, the tone he's set again and again to the owners is "F You."

There you go. You missed the other half of your post.

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Fixed it for you.

I'm sure it actually doesn't mean much, but I'd love to take this move as a sign that owners are unhappy with how he has handled these negotiations. If you're actually an asset in negotiating an agreement, you typically don't offer to remove yourself from the process.

Of course the owners share the blame, but Bettman is greatly responsible for handling and setting the tone of the CBA negotiations. As commissioner, everything ultimately is channeled through him. And through actions like consistently having Jacobs be his right hand man in the meetings, making that awful first proposal, and rejecting the NHLPA's offers within minutes, the tone he's set again and again to the players is "F You."

But waiting 30min by the NHLPA is saying we respect your offer and will do our best to look it over thoroughly so that we make a smart and sound decision on our players futures and the future of this game?

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There you go. You missed the other half of your post.

I think that was just paraphrasing a quote from 2005 "Goodenow is greatly responsible for handling and setting the tone of the CBA negotiations. As NHLPA Head, everything ultimately is channeled through him. And through his actions, the tone he's set again and again to the owners is "F You."

But waiting 30min by the NHLPA is saying we respect your offer and will do our best to look it over thoroughly so that we make a smart and sound decision on our players futures and the future of this game?

I don't remember reading that

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There you go. You missed the other half of your post.

I didn't miss anything.

The players job is to play hockey. Bettman's job is to run the league.

But waiting 30min by the NHLPA is saying we respect your offer and will do our best to look it over thoroughly so that we make a smart and sound decision on our players futures and the future of this game?

i'm not sure which offer you're talking about.

link?

Even if the NHL didn't agree with the offer, leaving the meeting after 15 minutes and literally leaving town is an a-hole move. The league's response to every single concession by the NHLPA is "not even close, bud."

Not to say the NHLPA side is without blame. Fehr should be friggin embarrassed for not running the numbers on a proposal he was putting forth.

One of the articles about why Bettman should go gave a pretty good synopsis of how awful he is at CBA negotiations. If the owners were headed into this wanting a 50/50 split and nothing but concessions from the players, it required the best sell job of all time. Instead Bettman led with "F You."

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I didn't miss anything.

The players job is to play hockey. Bettman's job is to run the league.

if that's the case, then why do the players care if they get a good cba or not. they will be playing hockey all the same

a good article by custance on decertification.

the most telling quote

Because of Gary [bettman], [NHL labor lawyer] Bob Batterman and [bruins owner] Jeremy Jacobs, the big three's unwillingness to negotiate in good faith, the players have no alternative," Overhardt said early last week. "The exposure for the owners is dramatic. It's not for one owner; it's for 30 owners. Hopefully, 29 owners wake up and tell the commissioner to do his job. ... Right now, this guy is not acting like a commissioner. He's acting like a czar."

it's time for these other owners to step up and get a deal done. where have the rangers, leafs, canadians owners, and illitch been this whole time?

here's an example

A source familiar with Dolan's thinking confirmed to ESPNNewYork.com a New York Post report that Dolan was interested in becoming involved in the labor dispute that has kept his team off the ice for months

why wasn't he involved when this lockout first started?

Edited by chances14

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