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I think that Ford Field and Comerica have helped, as have the casinos, but there hasn't been much else added down there that I've seen. This new project is taking out a big chunk of old buildings and either replacing them with new stuff or renovating them. It might not do much long term, but it's better than doing nothing.

I guess I still haven't figured out why we are giving huge tax breaks and selling land for next to nothing to multi billionaires. Aside from a few temporary construction jobs, what kind of good jobs are going to be created? The people profiting from the casinos and stadiums are people like the Ilitches, not the residents. I think there were similar promises from the Ilitch family regarding Comerica. It was supposed to create all these jobs and there would be a domino effect and uplift the entire area. But if you walk the next block over from the park, there's still rampant blight. While I'm all for a new stadium, let the Ilitch family pay for it. They have the funds.

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I guess I still haven't figured out why we are giving huge tax breaks and selling land for next to nothing to multi billionaires. Aside from a few temporary construction jobs, what kind of good jobs are going to be created? The people profiting from the casinos and stadiums are people like the Ilitches, not the residents. I think there were similar promises from the Ilitch family regarding Comerica. It was supposed to create all these jobs and there would be a domino effect and uplift the entire area. But if you walk the next block over from the park, there's still rampant blight. While I'm all for a new stadium, let the Ilitch family pay for it. They have the funds.

I mean I know I'm just one person, but working for a major hotel downtown I definitely see a benefit from the arenas. Hell if it wasn't for the arenas, bars, restaurants, residential builidings, hotels, casinos, attractions, retail would all diminish greatly. On nights there are no concerts/games/events, downtown is a mostly ghost town. But the nights where there is Monday night football, or big name concert Detroit feels like a real thriving downtown. The sport's franchise are one of the advantages the city has, it's good that they are taking advantage of it.

Illitch already bought most of the land surrounding the area, the only reason any one would buy the remaining land would be to try and slow down the arena's building process to try and sell at a higher price to Ililtch and that would just be a hindrance to everyone in the city. If no one wanted to buy the land before Illitch showed interest in it, then that's why he should be given the rest of the land, so something will actually be done with it besides sitting on it, or paving a parking lot.

The downtown area has improved with the arenas, sure there is still blight in the downtown area, if anyone thought that a new arena would solve that issue was mistaken at the very start. Arenas are just a part of solution, and world class arenas would definite help business, and the people that work there.

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I guess I still haven't figured out why we are giving huge tax breaks and selling land for next to nothing to multi billionaires. Aside from a few temporary construction jobs, what kind of good jobs are going to be created? The people profiting from the casinos and stadiums are people like the Ilitches, not the residents. I think there were similar promises from the Ilitch family regarding Comerica. It was supposed to create all these jobs and there would be a domino effect and uplift the entire area. But if you walk the next block over from the park, there's still rampant blight. While I'm all for a new stadium, let the Ilitch family pay for it. They have the funds.

Riiiiight. So let's forget the fact that Illitch is a businessman first and foremost, not a goodwill ambassador, and that the majority of all arenas are all funded the same way. Why should he be an exception? Why should he front the whole thing when that's simply not the norm?

I'm sorry to be blunt but it shouldn't be his problem nor responsibility to make sure to provide jobs for residents, especially when so many are lacking even basic education and many times, completely illiterate. Do what's economically feasible as well as practical, which is how every other business is run. This is a great investment for Detroit, something EVERYBODY can get excited about, and will take blighted land and turn it into something fun. And yet people still complain.

Sheesh, you guys act like he's supposed to be running a charity drive or something. This sense of entitlement is ridiculous.

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In GR it started with making downtown more attractive. The arena went in, a few restaurants and bars went in. More people started coming down or sticking around after work instead of heading to the suburbs for dinner. It slowly built from there, a new bar/restaurant opened here, one place started pulling in bigger name bands on the weekends instead of just local and regional acts, things got nicer, some buildings were converted to living spaces that appeal to single people with cash to spend, which meant more places to spend that money came in, etc. Now Spectrum hospital and Grand Valley State have both expanded a ton, and downtown GR is a pretty busy place almost any night you go down there. Before, the GVSU downtown campus was one building and no living space. Now they have a bunch of apartments, the original building, a medical center, plus a pretty good sized complex of classrooms and offices. It's going to take more to turn Detroit around, and it won't happen overnight, but given that the alternative is nothing being done and the Wings moving to the suburbs, I think this is the better solution.

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http://news.illinois.edu/news/04/1117stadiums.html

The facts just don't support that a new sports arena offer an economic boost.

Who said the Ilitch family won't make money if they build the arena themselves? Ted Turner built the Atlanta stadium with all private funds, and it sure doesn't seem like he's poverty stricken.

It isn't about being negative, it's about making sensible financial decisions. The Ilitches are basically getting a new building without investing very much money and will have to pay little or no taxes. I think many other self employed business people, myself included would like that deal.

Also, think 10 years down the road when the Red Wings might not be the big draw they are now (see Detroit Pistons).

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The problem with that line of thinking is that the bills still have to get paid when the teams are losing.

Pistons sold out every game when they were winning...now look at the Tigers..pretty much sell out every game. Detroit fans will pay to see a winner

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Gores is a billionaire...sure he's not worried about paying bills

He's a billionaire because he does worry about paying bills.

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The problem with that line of thinking is that the bills still have to get paid when the teams are losing.

Well yes, like any business, you've got to put out a sellable product at a decent profit margin.

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@RedWingsFeed: Report: State of Michigan approves funds to demolish Joe Louis Arena: By Michael... http://t.co/shd6PeUPlC via @MiHockeyNow #NHL #RedWings

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This breaks my heart. I was really hoping they'd keep it and use it for something, but with the work being done on Cobo I guess that was a pipe dream...

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@RedWingsFeed: Report: State of Michigan approves funds to demolish Joe Louis Arena: By Michael... http://t.co/shd6PeUPlC via @MiHockeyNow #NHL #RedWings

:(

This breaks my heart. I was really hoping they'd keep it and use it for something, but with the work being done on Cobo I guess that was a pipe dream...

I'll definitely miss the Joe. Can't believe they would just rip it down so soon

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Sad news indeed. Need to make it back over the pond for a 5th visit. People may say its a dump or its old or its grimy or whatever the hell they like. But fact is the sight lines are awesome, the standing room is the best in the league, and it just gives off this aura of character, history and everything that is Detroit Red Wings. While it might be 'necessary' (which I don't necessarily agree with), all we as fans are going to get is another generic building that while being clean and comfortable, will be just as bland as the next.

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Every major, politician who agrees to pay for such things should be sued and canned immediately.

That aside I will really miss the JLA sadly I've never been there but all the memories hopefully the new building has some magic moments too.

Pretty sure the city owns the building dude

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I was at the very first game at the Joe...Dec 27, 1979. A loss to the Blues. Truthfully...good riddance. They had to get a waiver on the safety inspection to open the building in the first place because the aisleways and entries were deemed to steep to be safe. I've seen some great college and professional hockey there, but it's a building...the memories aren't in the building they're in my head.

Looking forward to seeing what the new place will look like,....even if they are building on my favorite lot for baseball parking

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From Detroit Free Press:

The Detroit City Council this morning narrowly approved a new lease of the Joe Louis Arena for the Detroit Red Wings, likely keeping the team there until it moves to a new arena north of downtown as early as the 2016-17 season.

The five-year lease, which passed by a 5-4 vote, includes a controversial settlement payment of $5.2 million from the team to resolve potential litigation over cable TV money the city is owed. In the past, it was estimated the city could be owed between $50 million and $80 million.

There is some shrewd negotiating.

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