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2/15 GDT : Anaheim Ducks 5 at Red Wings 2

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Mickey said it best. You can't be that terrible defensively with so much missing at forward. A couple leads given up quickly and poor turnovers with a chance to win in the third. No margin for error and there were too many errors. Holland has to get a top pairing guy before the season ends or this summer for sure.

The Ducks are for real, though. Impressive looking team. Nice game for the Red Wings bottom-six. Like the way Tatar and Andersson competed tonight. Same with Miller and Emmerton.

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Kronner needs to play the same kind of game he played when Lids was playing..right now he's trying to be Lids and make all these tight, cute passes and it's not his strong point. He's been bad. End of story. Tatar deserves to stay up when everyone is healthy. I don't know what we are going to do with the bottom 6...there are going to be alot of guys fighting for 6 spots. Nyquist can go back to GR..shown nothing..does he really want to be up here? We need to keep our heads above water until we get semi healthy.

I agree with most of that. It's hard to shine on a line with a passive Flip and Abby trying to be a center on a line he doesn't really fit the role for. Those guys were tripping all over each other out there. I really like Nyquists work on the PP. I'd like to see him on that line as the 3rd line.

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Team just isn't good enough with all these injuries. Howard needs a break..man he gets alot of work every game

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Now the tables are flipped, botttom lines firing the top lines can't do anything. granted our top lines are now what our bottom lines were to start the season.

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Team just isn't good enough with all these injuries. Howard needs a break..man he gets alot of work every game

Don't know why. Mrazek played great in his one game, and he can't get in again.

Babcock's decisions are baffling sometimes.

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Don't know why. Mrazek played great in his one game, and he can't get in again.

Babcock's decisions are baffling sometimes.

Well he gets alot of work because the defense gives up a ton of ridiculous scoring chances, but yeah.. May as well see what Mrazek is all about.

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Babcock's decisions are baffling sometimes.

This has been a perpetual thought for me. Between the Goaltending choices and then seeing how Cleary is given such preferential treatment for no apparent reason.

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Well, we've lost the most man-games in the league.

Missed the game, but it sounds pretty typical. I heard on the radio a few bad plays that involved Cleary, believe it or not.

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What do you all expect? The team is playing without four top-six players, the team's best grinder, and an important defenseman. And don't give me the nonsense about injuries being no excuse. If one removes talent from any organization, that organization's performance will suffer.

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Crappy game. Not much we can do about it either. Couple of other things. The worse thing that can ahppen to a young G is to get shell shocked early in his career. Witht he way we are playing that could happen to Mar. So babcock is wisely being carefull. That being said, Howard loks like he is banged up as well. before the game they were showing him in the lcoker room. His left hand was tapped up. Doubt that is normal. Also, about half way throught he 3rd, Howard seemed to be having a hard time getting back up off of the ice.

the truely scary part is, just how little talent we have after our top 3-4 guys. There just isn't much here as a team/organization. A bunch of role players, but nothing one can count on.

Best we can do now, if try to forget and move on from tonight.

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aww i was one goal off the final score!

just a horrible defensive effort tonight. WAY too many turnovers. there were times i was like...really??!

then when they showed lids i was thinking maybe hes thinking of coming out of retirement with this horrible defense lol.

i dont know about anyone else but i rarely heard filpulas name tonight. did anyone?

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It's games like this that make me wish I could write the headline for either the News or the Free Press for tomorrow: "Wings Play Like Ass, Fall to Ducks 5-2"

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What do you all expect? The team is playing without four top-six players, the team's best grinder, and an important defenseman. And don't give me the nonsense about injuries being no excuse. If one removes talent from any organization, that organization's performance will suffer.

I agree with you however early third period was bad tonight though. Couple of turnovers can cost you big always. Bad luck imo

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We've fought through injuries admirably this season, but there comes a point when it gets too much. Losing Franzen and most of all Datsyuk just kills our top 6. Let's face it, winning tonight against this Ducks team with our depleted roster would have been nothing short of miraculous.

I really hope that the turning point injury-wise comes real soon before we sink too much in the standings. Way too many lingering injuries and then new ones before we get anyone back.

Also I'm in agreement with Babcock making baffling decisions. How such a good coach can give so much ice-time to Cleary is hard to understand. And wtf, give Mrazek a start. Kid should have started 2-3 games by now. If he gets 'shellshocked' and can't bounce back he was never gonna make it in the NHL anyway.

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Howard needs a break. I don't get why he is getting so many starts. Come the end of the season, they will be lucky if he can even stand up in net. Babcock needs to treat the shortened season for howard like September callups in baseball. I really hope babcock is not leaving that decision up to howard.

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How such a good coach can give so much ice-time to Cleary is hard to understand.

It's not that he's giving him so much ice-time. It's the situations Babs is putting him in. As far as average TOI, he's sitting around 16 minutes/game. 5 forwards have more.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20132DETSASALL&sort=avgTOIPerGame&viewName=timeOnIce

I love the way Jimmy handles his interviews. He hates journalists.

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It's not that he's giving him so much ice-time. It's the situations Babs is putting him in. As far as average TOI, he's sitting around 16 minutes/game. 5 forwards have more.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20132DETSASALL&sort=avgTOIPerGame&viewName=timeOnIce

I love the way Jimmy handles his interviews. He hates journalists.

That's still too much considering he's easily been our worst forward. But yes, not playing him in the top 6, on every PP, PK and in every pressure situation would be a start.

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For the past 3 years, the team has been way too reliant on Datsyuk. Earlier last decade, not even losing Yzerman or Fedorov did the team suffer as much as they do today without Pavs.

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Watching that play where Whites stick explodes just kills me. Howie makes the initial stop but the defense just isn't able to get there in time. If White stays on his feet there he maybe gets in the way of the rebound in time. No way to know.

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For the past 3 years, the team has been way too reliant on Datsyuk. Earlier last decade, not even losing Yzerman or Fedorov did the team suffer as much as they do today without Pavs.

Yeah he's huge for us but come on. Not like he's the only guy we are without. I'm sure those teams with Stevie Y and Feds also suffered if you took out 7-8 guys from the lineup.

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Well....same bunch of crappy players.....

....Quincey blows, Cleary sucks, Kindl inept,(1.) not impressed with Nyquist what-so-ever, Howard playing WELL below average...

Just don't understand why babcock has M-Raz riding the pine. If you aint gonna play him, send him back to GR, he needs to play. I think babs is riding Howards crank or something because he just won't sit him...(2.)M-raz is way better than Howard IMO.

Once again Bobby Ryan showing that he is the player we need on this team! Make the Filppula package deal tonight! Hell, make a blockbuster and acquire both Perry & Ryan...

Did Kenny say that Helm was nowhere near returning?(3.) Jeezus! He has become too fragile for the NHL...

On a positive note, I am still being impressed with Tatar...what an insult to compare him to Hudler the Pile of Bile. Andersson had a nice one, he needs to keep it up to keep me on his bandwagon.

Time to sit the crap...Cleary, Q, Kindl and yes, sit Howard for a couple, let him know the job is on the line because the M-Raz train is coming and it's an express...

1. He's played two games this year and was not bad in either, IMO. He played better than most of the players in our top 6.

2. He's played one game and he's already better than Howard? :confused1: True, this was a bad game in regard to goals against, but you can't blame it all on Jimmy. The St. Louis game was another story.

3. Helm battles day in and day out when he's in the lineup. I'm guessing his back never fully healed like it was originally thought, but to say he is too fragile is quite a leap. He IS human, and it's not like he's Colaiacovo injury prone.. :glare:

I'm honestly not trying to make excuses for anyone, but the extremes people go to on this site whenever the Wings have a bad (or good) game are kind of ridiculous. I mean it starts out Ericsson is garbage and doesn't deserve his salary and now he's our best put down D-man? I feel like there's a lot of bandwagon hate on this forum. Look at Emmerton, he's done nothing but play hard and create a ton of energy-and a few points- with Miller and Toots, yet the guys is pretty regularly trashed on. Some players just have bad games. To clarify, I am not saying there are not some people on this roster who have not met up to their expectations(or contract) or players who's time in Detroit should come to an end. I really have been disappointed with Kronner this year, he seems to have regressed to the point where I honestly don't think I would be too upset if he were moved for a good return. Cleary, I think, should be moved as he has become redundant. And I know I'm probably going to get burned alive for this one but...I think Quincey has just been hit with some really bad luck. He's got great potential and is a talented defenseman , I just think he's snake bitten.

Anyway, I have strayed from my main point which is "bad games happen, and we live on".

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