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2/15 GDT : Anaheim Ducks 5 at Red Wings 2

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What do you all expect? The team is playing without four top-six players, the team's best grinder, and an important defenseman. And don't give me the nonsense about injuries being no excuse. If one removes talent from any organization, that organization's performance will suffer.

I expect two veterans in Kronwall & White to play like veterans, not rookies.

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Either way, we all have to be impressed and pleased with the way Tatar is playing.

He's played well, but will likely be sent down when Sammy and Bert come back.

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What do you all expect? The team is playing without four top-six players, the team's best grinder, and an important defenseman. And don't give me the nonsense about injuries being no excuse. If one removes talent from any organization, that organization's performance will suffer.

I would agree with this, if only the team hasn't stunk up the ice most night WITH the current injured players in the lineup. Really, the only guys that we haven't seen if they can have a positive affect on this team are Helm and Sammy. Datsyuk is a no brainer, we need him. But honestly, having a healthy Franzine, Bertuzzi, Smith & Cola hasn't proven to make that much of a difference with the exception of a good night here or there...

I like what the kids are bringing, and given the consistant opportunity, they should solve a lot of our scoring problems, but our entire Defense with the exception of Lashoff, E on some nights and Huskins, who, for the life of me, isn't playing, are playing like puke. Kronner has ZERO confindence, White is just an average d-man who Lidstrom made into a better player and I have no need to mention Q and Kindl....so when basically you best defenseman (and I like the kid, I really do) is Lashoff, you are in a world of hurt no matter who you have up front.

I think Howard needs to sit out about 4 or 5 games in a row. I do not know why Babcock refuses to play M-Raz... Ya, I know, Howard has senority, he earned his way to the #1 spot, but if he isn't playing great, then having the crappy D in front of you is going to make you look stupid. He gave up some horrible rebounds tonight, one leading right to Ryan's goal. It's time to give M-Raz a go and see if he can turn this crap around. I know it's rough to throw a rookie out there with the crappy defense, but let him play. If not send him back to GR so he can get some games in. If you aren't gonna play the backup once in a while, I think McCollum will suit that role just dandy and M-Raz can give top minutes in GR.

The bottom line is, if Holland is not going to get a pure goal scorer (and if Brunner and Tatar continue the way they are playing) then he NEEDS to make that blockbuster legit #1 defender trade! Kronner cannot handle being #1, he plays best at #3. Bring in a top 5 in the NHL defender to pair up with Ericsson, move Kronner down with Lashoff, dress Huskins for pete's sake and a healthy Smith will round out the 6, until then, White will play his minutes. I was NEVER EVER on the Q train and he is proving me right every night. Same goes with Kindl. He had some solid plays tonight and that alone is good enough to keep him for the #7 spot. Or if you have to include him in a deal, then make White your #7. I don't know who would be involved in a trade to get that #1 here, but whatever it takes, it is blatenly obvious that they need him here....whoever he is. #1 Defender Wanted, 25 minutes a game.

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Not much talk on here about Fil. With the way Tatar has been playing maybe Fil could be shopped? Its clear that the Wings need some energy injected into this line up every night. Would Fil and Gus be enough to get us a real sniper or a top d-man? Remembering you have to give to get

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What do you all expect? The team is playing without four top-six players, the team's best grinder, and an important defenseman. And don't give me the nonsense about injuries being no excuse. If one removes talent from any organization, that organization's performance will suffer.

Honestly, this team wasn't that good last year in the playoffs, when they were relatively healthy.

This defense looked shaky even when the season began and they were together.

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For Babs, age trumps effort any day.

For sure! I don't get it! Give the kids a shot...I know I beat on the trade for a sniper drum a ton, but it looks like Tatar has some hands, and I was impressed tonight with Andersson. Holland should trade for that #1 defender he needs and Babs needs to let the kids play with a defense behind them that can actually log some NHL minutes instead of looking like the Continental League. I would definitely keep Bertuzzi and Sammy out of the lineup for Tatar and Andersson. Of course I would also sit Cleary, so maybe one of Bert/Sammy can have his spot.

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Hopefully we can just pick up Iginla when his contract is up. Just let the team bleed this season, let people point the finger at Holland if they want. We'll retool and refit in the offseason.



For sure! I don't get it! Give the kids a shot...I know I beat on the trade for a sniper drum a ton, but it looks like Tatar has some hands, and I was impressed tonight with Andersson. Holland should trade for that #1 defender he needs and Babs needs to let the kids play with a defense behind them that can actually log some NHL minutes instead of looking like the Continental League. I would definitely keep Bertuzzi and Sammy out of the lineup for Tatar and Andersson. Of course I would also sit Cleary, so maybe one of Bert/Sammy can have his spot.

Agreed. I'd love to see more of the kids move up, can you imagine half a team of guys playing as hard as Tatar, Andersson, and Lashoff?

Edit: Also Mrazek.

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White and Kronwall playing terrible, our second line just looked confused together, and Cleary still getting premium spots. What a mess. At least I felt okay about Quincey and Kindl this game, which is rare for me. Oh and that 4th goal on Howard was terrible. I know it was 2 on 1 but that rebound control was pathetic, and then he just lazily opened his legs. And I'm a Howard fan, I'm not just hating on him. He should sit a game though.

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If you look at the box score, it was our "stars" that played the worse. Z, Brunner, Kronwall, E, and Cleary were all -3 for the game.

I thought Kindl 0 for the game played ok.

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Kindl played fine tonight...but he cannot have one good game in 10 and expect to be a legit top 6 d-man. Every dog has his day, but on 90% of the nights, Kindl is garbage.

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Wings have Bert, Smith, Coli, Helm, Franzen and Samuelsson out add on Datsyuk to that list and this team is really in trouble. All those players and they were playing a Ducks team that has been one of the best in the league to start the season, I was really just hoping to get a point out of this one.

The defense has been terrible the last 2 games, Howard stands on his head and steals 2 points against the Kings and the d-core thanks him by playing two stinkers in a row. You can tell Howard was pretty annoyed when asked about the turnovers in the post game interview and he is right those guys need to be called out.

Why is that pleb Quincey not being scratched yet

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this is a serious question...what makes you more nervous, a red wings without Lidstrom or a red wings without Datsyuk?

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Just watched the highlights, seemed like Tatar-Nyquist-Andersson were our best only players.

Defensive turnover continuing to be the bane of our season. We got away with it against the Kings when we were physically incapable of getting the puck out of our zone, but the Ducks punished us. I don't know if thats bad coaching, the forwards not working hard enough, bad decisions by the D.....I think thats why we're seeing so many bad line changes too, because our breakout/transition game is so bad.

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this is a serious question...what makes you more nervous, a red wings without Lidstrom or a red wings without Datsyuk?

As much as I love Datsyuk, losing Lidas made me nervous since rumors!!! about his retirement. Not even the god of danglers Datsyuk can come close to it.

I am not surprised the Ducks are off to a fantastique start so far and the Wings are injury rattled.

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So I haven't watched the game, look at the stats and see that Z, Brunner, Cleary were -3? Did they play that bad? Or "just" got very unlucky?

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So I haven't watched the game, look at the stats and see that Z, Brunner, Cleary were -3? Did they play that bad? Or "just" got very unlucky?

Z and Brunner were fine, Cleary was just there. They missed an assignment on the first goal as a line, but the other two weren't on the forwards. That was Ian White's doing for both.

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I don't understand why Bab's could at least try out Toot's on 2nd or 3rd line. Oh, also would love to see him with Helm someday! Wow would that be a fast line....Ha!

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I don't understand why Bab's could at least try out Toot's on 2nd or 3rd line. Oh, also would love to see him with Helm someday! Wow would that be a fast line....Ha!

Babcock did that when Helm playd. He and Tootoo had the 5 hit shift.

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Z and Brunner were fine, Cleary was just there. They missed an assignment on the first goal as a line, but the other two weren't on the forwards. That was Ian White's doing for both.

Yes, he deliberately exploded his stick. Right?

white + filppula for yandle and torres

Haha. If you want to see routinely blown coverage in the defensive zone, watch Yandle.

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Yes, he deliberately exploded his stick. Right?

Haha. If you want to see routinely blown coverage in the defensive zone, watch Yandle.

Yandle is pretty close to Mike Green, the only thing about them that says defense is that it's written in the program. We just need some continuity..we need a streak of games where we can get 3 pairs playing together and build some chemistry

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