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#1 Phil Lesh

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:55 PM

According to the Free Press, through Tuesday's Nashville game, the Wings have lost 104 man games to injury, they'd played 16 games. That's an average of 6.5 players out, every game.

 

Only ten guys had played in every one of the first 16 games...

 

Abdelkader

Brunner

Cleary

Emmerton

Filppula

Miller

Kronwall

Quincey

Tootoo

Zetterberg

 

So how much success can you expect when less than half your lineup has played each of the first 16 games? I know you don't use injuries as an excuse but when I look at it like this it seems to be a serious contributor. Thoughts?



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:56 PM

If not for injuries, we'd finish as a 5-8 seed and lose in the first round.

 

Thanks to these injuries, we're unlikely to make the playoffs if the injury bug keeps up.   


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

Of course we will never know. Most of us fans and the talking heads in the media were not expecting a SC or even a deep PO run. I figured we would finish between 6 and 10 oin the WC, with the team we had. Now with a few less players available, we are going to be lucky to make it to the PO's. Not a bid difference one way or the other to me. My fear is, Holland will right off whatever failures we have as a team to the injuries and not make big changes because of it.



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

The injuries hurt. The problem is that it's every year with this team. It's the same guys, too. There's no cure for this.



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:07 PM

tonight's game should have a been a W injuries or not

 

 

only players i want back are Helm, Smith and Bert he has good chemistry with Datsyuk

 

 

Franzen only shows up once every 8-10 games anyway


Edited by Yak19, 21 February 2013 - 11:11 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:08 PM

Some of these injuries were predictable.

 

I mean Colaicovo?  That guy graduated from the Sami Salo Institute of Health.  

 

Samuelsson?  He's old and was hurt last year.

 

Bertuzzi is like 50.  He's been heallthy here in the past, but the old tank has to run out of gas eventually.


Edited by GMRwings1983, 21 February 2013 - 11:12 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:10 PM

If we had Helm, Franzen, Coliacovo and Smith back in the lineup I think we would make the playoffs with 'relative' ease. So yes I think injuries are a big issue. The team hasn't been able to become a cohesive unit, with guys rotating in and out of the lineup every game. 

 

Of course if Sammy comes back and replaces Tatar that actually makes us worse, so the injuries haven't been all bad. 

 

And there are some things that can't be blamed on injuries however: 


Filppula stinking. I'm severely disappointed in him. 

Kronwall god awful defensively. Sooo disappointed. 


And Babcock's mental illness and manlove for Dan Cleary. 

 

So in the end what GMR said is probably about right. Unless we can start getting and staying healthy, real soon, we're a long shot to make the playoffs. Sucks that Helms seems to be far from ready. Definitely the most important player missing at the moment, he's a key player. 



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

I'd say we'd have 3-4 more wins with a fully healthy lineup. But that team still isn't getting to the 2nd round.



If not for injuries, we'd finish as a 5-8 seed and lose in the first round.

 

Thanks to these injuries, we're unlikely to make the playoffs if the injury bug keeps up.   

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:15 PM

Helm is the biggest loss IMO.



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

Helm wouldn't fix this powerplay.  

 

He's important to this team, but there's no reason a 3rd liner getting hurt should be the biggest loss your team takes.  


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

I think injuries are a huge reason why this team is struggling.  But I think some of it has to do with coaching and the way we use our resources (resourcing being players) in the system. If this team was totally healthy I would love to see the lineup look like this.

 

Mule- Z- Brunner

Fil-Dats- Bert

Nyquist- Helm- Tatar

Abby- Anderson-Tootoo

 

Emdog, Mursak

 

Defense I would have Kronwall, Big E, Smith, and White in the lineup for sure.  The others are a toss up.  Go with the hot hand.

 

As well my PP lines would be...

 

Nyquist- Datsyuk- Mule

 

Brunner- Kronwall

 

 

Tatar- Fil- Bert

 

Smith- Zetterberg


Edited by Flipper51, 21 February 2013 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:31 PM

Exactly, Helm is great but our bottom 6 has been surprisingly good lately. We need top 6 players (MULE, Bert, .. Nyquist). Maybe inserting Helm will force Babcock to move Tatar up in the lineup. :blush:


Edited by Number19, 21 February 2013 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:44 PM

No doubt these injuries have been a HUGE factor into playing bad. Each game someone new is getting hurt, causing Babs to have to change the lines and just look at who Pavs is playing with now. To top that off, our D is really struggling at times... losing Smith was a huge loss because of his skating ability and ability to move the puck. 

 

With that said, the powerplay MUST be fixed. No more loading up on the one unit because it is not working anyways. When everyone is back (if ever) babs  needs to start REWARDING players and PUNISHING players because they need to be more motivated. WIth that said, once Smith is back, and Kronners continues to not impress, I would bump Kronners off to the 2nd PP unit until he can get his s*** together. 



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:49 PM

the problem is no accountability, if someone plays bad they get to stay in there next game and play bad again

 

Kindl has been in and out of the lineup and he is not anywhere near our biggest problem



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:42 AM

having helm and smith would be huge for the wings, also we need mule so abs isnt a line 2 guy and on the powerplay



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:52 AM

Missing the specific players hurts the actual play but the inability to develop as a cohesive unit with identity is what hurts most about injuries. Example, Tatar, Tootoo, etc. have excelled since jelling together with others in the bottom six, where the rest of the team needs to do the same, which is impossible when everyone is hurt.

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#17 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM

Injuries are a factor and are causing this downswing yes I agree.. Yes we have the injury plague. However I still don't like using it as an excuse. Blowing 2 goal leads and whatever else isn't due to injuries.

 

Our PP imo has done us in a lot games on not capitalizing to put the puck in the net.



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:09 AM

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:46 AM

If not for injuries, we'd finish as a 5-8 seed and lose in the first round.

 

Thanks to these injuries, we're unlikely to make the playoffs if the injury bug keeps up.   

 

Pretty much this.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:36 AM

Very, very little.  I don't think they'd be doing much better with everyone healthy...that's normally how things work out.  When injuries occur, other players step up.







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