St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Just realised this as well...Alfie wears #11...Does that mean Cleary is the odd man out I sure hope so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Here's how I feel about this: Alfredsson is not a bad player. But we need a goal-scorer. We need more than 15-20 goals next year, and he's likely only to get that many. I don't care about us getting "soft." Toughness is overrated. Like others have said before me, you need to be some degree of tough, but the toughest teams don't necessarily go anywhere. I guess he wouldn't hurt us, but he doesn't fit anywhere in particular. He doesn't replace Flip, but maybe it allows Franzen to move to center. He doesn't give us goals, which we desperately need. But maybe if he played with Datsyuk or something? I don't know, I'm really lukewarm about this. I don't hate it, especially if it's cheap, but this can't be our "big move." He helps us maintain the status quo for losing the points of Flip and maybe Brunner, but only for a year. But we still haven't addressed the problems we had before the season ended. Getting back to where we were in May doesn't qualify as a successful off-season. I mean, let's look at the lineup with Alfie in it. Alfredsson-Datsyuk-Abdelkader Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary/Brunner? Tatar-Andersson-Nyquist Bertuzzi-Emmerton-Samuellson Miller, Eaves, Tootoo Does that look stronger than last season's? No. We can hope Nyquist and Tatar can turn into top 6 guys this season, but I'd rather not just hope to chance while we have cap space. And 6 million for Alfredsson to put up Filppula-like numbers (50 points) is horrific.But I guess for a one-year deal year you have to overpay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Hearing Dallas is in the mix for Dan Cleary. That would open the door for Alfie to wear 11. Yeah, per Pierre LeBrun - Dallas is in the mix, too. @Real_ESPNLeBrun: Dallas and Detroit are in the mix for UFA winger Dan Cleary... I hope he signs in Dallas for multiple reasons, not the least of which is reading the posts lauding Nill for being a better GM than Holland for luring Cleary away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Actually it's quite on par with the Red Wings track record. Very true. But, I mean, Alfredsson specifically. If you'd told me last week that he'd up-and-leave the Sens and bolt for Motown, well, I woulda said U CRAYZEE. Though I did get the sense (pun) he was real unhappy with something or other in Sens World during that whole "Yeah, we basically suck" thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 f*** cleary.. bring in Alfie!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Supposedly it's down to Dallas & Detroit for Cleary. More rumors on the question of why Alfie's leaving Ottawa: Helene St. James @HeleneStJames24s Why is Daniel Alfredsson leaving the only team he's known, Ottawa? Hearing Senators low-balled him. Let Dallas have Cleary please. Also Ottawa low-balled him? lol He is 40 year's old. Did Alfie think they would high ball him? lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Yeah Brunner went 5 and 4 in 14 games and was a plus 2 Alfie went 4 and 4 in 10 games and was a plus 5 So your sarcastic point about me missing the playoffs is pretty irrelevant! Brunner is a lot younger thank Alfie and can continue to do that for us for years. Not jsut one. As long as we keep Brunner and sign Grabo, I will be happy with signing Alfie as extra. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 I absolutely hate this signing! Grrrrr! I hope he proves me wrong! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 I wonder if this means others are coming too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Playmaker Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Hearing Dallas is in the mix for Dan Cleary. That would open the door for Alfie to wear 11. Okay, there is a small ray of sunshine in this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 I agree with VM, he does not fill the main void with this team, a sniper. Unfortunately Mule is supposed to fill that void, he was picked over Hossa, he was supposed to be the scoring machine the Wing's need. However he is more often playing like Johan Franzen instead of the Mule! 2 whitewolf406 and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Are you ******* kidding me? Cleary too? Why don't we just go ahead and sign Chelios too while we're at it. f***. I'm surprised Lilja isn't a wing again already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingCraig 32 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Nothing against Danny, but if we do end up signing Alfie - Cleary then needs to be let go. Would take him for 1 year over Cleary for 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Brunner is a lot younger thank Alfie and can continue to do that for us for years. Not jsut one. As long as we keep Brunner and sign Grabo, I will be happy with signing Alfie as extra. You are banking a lot on the future of a guy who was unable to keep up with the NHL pace over a half season, he is yet to play a full season in the league and you are extrapolating what he can do based off of what he did in a very small sample size. I am basing what Alfie can do over a long career worth of accomplishments. Brunner is an unknown commodity and has people feeling giddy with hope, Alfie is a guy who you know what you are going to get, and that is not nearly as exciting as Brunner's potential. Also while Brunner is a lot younger than Alfie he is not a 20 year old rookie, he is 27, there is a reason it took him until the age of 27 to be discovered! 1 whitewolf406 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Would take him for 1 year over Cleary for 3 yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Yah for sure. The best part is Cleary wants 3 million a year!! Bye bye Danny boy ... hopefully Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) f*** cleary.. bring in Alfie!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, this is kinda my thinking at the moment. And, y'know what, I think it's Holland's as well. My guess is, Holland realized Cleary was/is probably gone, which, like him or hate him, would leave a grizzled-leadership-and-clutch-playoffs-play void on our roster. Alfredsson would be an all-around upgrade. Guy is a warrior. A hungry warrior. With a chip on his shoulder. Again, I'm not the biggest fan of this idea ("Alfie" coming here), but it's not the abomination people are making it ot to be. Edited July 5, 2013 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Where the f*** are we finding the roster space for these signings? Have a feeling the organization is taking the approach of seeing who plays their way onto the roster in camp & will make adjustments (trades, waivers) before the start of the season. I would think the bubble players would be the Eaves, Emmertons, Tootoos, Tatars, Samuelssons, etc. FYI: Nick Kypreos @RealKyper1m Now a domino game. #Stars offer better for Dan Cleary than #Redwings. Det step up or save the cash for #Panthers Stephen Weiss offer. Edited July 5, 2013 by ogreslayer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Would take him for 1 year over Cleary for 3 Sure, how we perceive this Alfredsson signing depends on who he is replacing. Is he replacing Cleary? Then it's a good move. Is he our "big signing" of the summer expected to solve all of our problems? Then it's a bad signing. 3 Travis, whitewolf406 and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 You are banking a lot on the future of a guy who was unable to keep up with the NHL pace over a half season, he is yet to play a full season in the league and you are extrapolating what he can do based off of what he did in a very small sample size. I am basing what Alfie can do over a long career worth of accomplishments. Brunner is an unknown commodity and has people feeling giddy with hope, Alfie is a guy who you know what you are going to get, and that is not nearly as exciting as Brunner's potential. Also while Brunner is a lot younger than Alfie he is not a 20 year old rookie, he is 27, there is a reason it took him until the age of 27 to be discovered! Following your logic we should just trade all our draft picks for known players then because we can predict their output. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Dallas and Detroit are in the mix for UFA winger Dan Cleary... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 @DownGoesBrown: I would watch a 24/7 of Sens fans watching this year's 24/7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ram 240 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 I find it somewhat refreshing to see a tweet that stated “Alfie wanted a shot at a Cup before retirement.” Shows that DRW may still be “it” franchise for veterans wanting to win. Maybe not so much with the younger crew, but could be nice if it rubs off on some of them. Or maybe the Wings could just win a Cup again and do it the old fashioned way! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,960 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 I guess Detroit needed a little something to instantly rekindle a rivalry with the Leafs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Given the choice between overpaying Brunner due to a bidding war(as it appears Brunner wants to test the market) or Alfie in this instance I pick Alfie. But if you are asking me do we trade a pick for Alfie or draft Sequin, Hall, Stamkos, etc... I take the draft pick. See I am not assigning my logic to all situations, I use logic based on the individual circumstance. I know that may seem weird to some, but I actually look at each transaction as a one off situation, there is no fix all tool. Edit: This is response to Dirty Dangle, the gap between our posts was bigger than I thought it would be! Edited July 5, 2013 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
