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Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

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Cleary related camp news...

"@AnsarKhanMLive: Cleary replaces Bertuzzi on line with Andersson and Nyquist. Bertuzzi replaces Jurco on line with Sheahan and Tatar. Jurco-Jarnkrok-Ferraro"

I'm okay with the CAN line.

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Which of course can in no way, shape, or form can be seen as a leading indicator of what the organization may want to see during the season. Just not possible.

You know what'd be cool? If training camp had any kind of bearing on the actual season. How has no one thought of this?!

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You know what'd be cool? If training camp had any kind of bearing on the actual season. How has no one thought of this?!

We should get a message to Kenny & Babs right now about how revolutionary of a change that could be!

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Am I the only one who hates the idea of 2 or three guys clearing wiavers and going to GRs? Lat time I checked they had a bit of a roster crunch too. This waiver wave won't just affect the Red Wings roster, but may end up sending some decent prospect like Tverdon to Toledo. I don't see that as being anywhere close to a cool thing.

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I'm actually pretty ok with ZDAbdelkader. If he - Abdelkader - can become a power-forward, or even just a decent Homer replacement, I think our top line will terrorize the East.

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I'm actually pretty ok with ZDAbdelkader. If he - Abdelkader - can become a power-forward, or even just a decent Homer replacement, I think our top line will terrorize the East.

And from all reports from yesterday's camp action, Abby looked really good in that role. I wouldn't be surprised to see him wind up centering a line instead depending on what roster moves are made to get roster/cap compliant i.e. moving down to center the 3rd or 4th if Emmerton is still let go while Helm's out. That's why I wouldn't dismiss seeing a Hank-Dats-Clears, Hank-Dats-Bert, or even Hank-Dats-Sammy line at some point during the season.

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I'm actually pretty ok with ZDAbdelkader. If he - Abdelkader - can become a power-forward, or even just a decent Homer replacement, I think our top line will terrorize the East.

Honestly, I thought Abdelkader did a realgud job on the top line in the last month of the season. He caused so many turnovers with his forechecking, and went straight to the front of the net once we had the puck. He wasn't always rewarded with a goal or assist, but he was a key component in Z + Dats heating up down the stretch..

What was frustrating was his poor shooting and passing, but then again if he had a set of hands like Bertuzzi he'd be a premier power forward, rather like a young Bertuzzi.

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Honestly, I thought Abdelkader did a realgud job on the top line in the last month of the season. He caused so many turnovers with his forechecking, and went straight to the front of the net once we had the puck. He wasn't always rewarded with a goal or assist, but he was a key component in Z + Dats heating up down the stretch..

What was frustrating was his poor shooting and passing, but then again if he had a set of hands like Bertuzzi he'd be a premier power forward, rather like a young Bertuzzi.

He really did seem to "get it" near the end of the season & into the playoffs imo. What I remember is seeing him get knocked on his face less & less from all the hacking in front of the net and being able to maintain a presence like he hadn't been able to do when he was first put in the top 6. Based on that, his showing at the World's, & early reports on how he's looking in camp, I can honestly say I'm really comfortable with him in that role.

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Babs made a good point: 26 is about the age when players tend to really come into their own. Or did he say 34? Can't remember.

Crosby would still be in the minors had he been drafted by the Wings.

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Crosby would still be in the minors had he been drafted by the Wings.

You know what's messed up, he probably would have spent a season in GR with the Wings.

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No, he would be on the third line, assigned to a defensive-forward role. Meanwhile, cleary would be on the top line with pav and z.

From the fake Freep:

Said Kenny Holland of the highly touted Canadian 18 year old, "Well, we like our team right now. The kid has a lot of potential and we think that he needs to find his legs in Grand Rapids before joining our club. We have a good 3rd line options with Drapes and Jason Williams, with Mark Mowers able to fill in there too. We just don't think he is on an NHL-calibre level like those guys are right now... we like our team. Say, have you seen the new guy we just signed? His name is Dan Cleary. He could play on the 3rd line too. Look out for him. He's a gamer and at no point in the future do I see him being a polarizing figure and keeping young future Wings like Sidney Crosby off the roster."

Edited by Wings_Dynasty

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Crosby would still be in the minors had he been drafted by the Wings.

After all, the system that Holland and Babcock run has persistently placed the Wings at the bottom of the standings. We should be furious. Say, where are all those lottery picks? We're getting robbed!

While none of us like this signing, the simple fact is that Holland, Babcock, and all of the team's veterans wanted Cleary back on the roster. When that's the case with a player, he's going to be brought back if at all possible.

Edited by Crymson
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After all, the system that Holland and Babcock run has persistently placed the Wings at the bottom of the standings. We should be furious. Say, where are all those lottery picks? We're getting robbed!

While none of us like this signing, the simple fact is that Holland, Babcock, and all of the team's veterans wanted Cleary back on the roster. When that's the case with a player, he's going to be brought back if at all possible.

That's what happens when emotions get involved with business. Just because some people wanted him back doesn't mean it was the right decision.

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Gotta love Cleary. Great asset when he's used in the right capacity. Having a fourth line of Miller-Helm-Cleary is deadly. So many line options for this team just wish we could trim the fat without losing anybody of value. Sammy, Bert, Eaves, Tootoo and Emmerton could all go without making us a worse team

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Am I the only one who hates the idea of 2 or three guys clearing wiavers and going to GRs? Lat time I checked they had a bit of a roster crunch too. This waiver wave won't just affect the Red Wings roster, but may end up sending some decent prospect like Tverdon to Toledo. I don't see that as being anywhere close to a cool thing.

Agreed. But more because I just friggin' want to see these guys as full-time Wings already!

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Oh, wait, you're talking about non-prospects?

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To help ease the forward logjam, perhaps the Wings would consider playing Weiss on a third line temporarily (or Mule, even), while Helm is on IR, making Emmerton more expendable.

E.g.
Abby - Dats - Mule
Cleary - Z - Aflie
Tatar - Weiss - Bert
Miller - Andy - Eaves
+ Sammy, Tootoo

Emmerton, Gus in minors (for now)

Not sure if that'd get the wings under the player limit or not, but if so it might give them time to make moves, without giving up players too soon. Inevitably there will be more injuries so ideally they hold onto as many bodies as possible.

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There is no guessing here my friend. Yeah we not be a GM or a head coach, but we have two eyes, and we understand hockey.

You don't need a crystal ball to see that this guy does cannot skate, cannot shoot, etc., to the point that he makes us better.

I understand hockey and don't share the same opinion as you, it's just your opinion which is shared by some but not all.

I think you meant to say he doesn't make us better. But my counter point to that would be that he was second in scoring in the playoffs last year. People who can't skate or shoot don't outscore Pavel Datsyuk.

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Duff: Wings lack gritty forward

Pro-Cleary piece.

He makes a good point: take away Cleary, and how much getter-done grit do we really have, especially come the postseason grind? And, as much as people hate the idea of Cleary playing in the top six...again, where is the grit there? Abdelkader. Maybe Weiss. Maybe Franzen, but, come on.

I have to assume this is what Holland's referring to when he says Cleary makes us better. I mean, yeah, the leadership stuff is nice and all - but the tough, gritty, net-front element is something we're sorely lacking. Which is weird, because we have so many bottom-six roleplayers.

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I understand hockey and don't share the same opinion as you, it's just your opinion which is shared by some but not all.

I think you meant to say he doesn't make us better. But my counter point to that would be that he was second in scoring in the playoffs last year. People who can't skate or shoot don't outscore Pavel Datsyuk.

We should all know by know that past performance does not necessarily have a bearing on future performance. Franzen is exhibit A. Cleary is past his prime. Every season, he is going to lose a step. Also, his injury history causes me to doubt cleary's ability to stay healthy over the course of a full season. Even if cleary does make the team better, I feel like this signing was pretty myopic. Regardless of his play, cleary will affect the ice time of Tatar and nyquist, thus hindering their development. In order for the signing to be justified, cleary will have to replicate his performance from the Blackhawks series, and the wings will have to make a legitimate run. Edited by The Greek

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