Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

[Nyquistfan14 489]

I would have taken roundblad for a 2nd easily

Edited March 4, 2014 by Nyquistfan14

[wings87 1,290]

What makes no sense? Having a shot at McDavid makes more sense than eeking into the playoffs and being eliminated in the first round.

You want to blow an entire season and pray that you win the lottery(which is no guarantee ) just to draft Mcdavid? Making the playoffs is a big deal and there is no guarantee that the Wings would lose in the first round, look at what happened last year could you have predicted we would come within one game of beating Chicago. The playoffs are a crap shoot ones you get in anything can happen. Plus the Wings have plenty of young talent they might not be projected as well as Mcdavid but they are good, I just can't get behind blowing a season for a player no matter how good.

[Shaman 713]

You want to blow an entire season and pray that you win the lottery(which is no guarantee ) just to draft Mcdavid? Making the playoffs is a big deal and there is no guarantee that the Wings would lose in the first round, look at what happened last year could you have predicted we would come within one game of beating Chicago. The playoffs are a crap shoot ones you get in anything can happen. Plus the Wings have plenty of young talent they might not be projected as well as Mcdavid but they are good, I just can't get behind blowing a season for a player no matter how good.

Chicago didn't take Detroit seriously, the second they did it was over. That BS that anything can happen isn't true, most of the teams that shouldn't be in get eliminated quickly and easily. And no-one the Red Wings have or have had since Yzerman projects anywhere near as good as McDavid.

[VM1138 1,921]

Chicago absolutely did take Detroit seriously. Their play was consistent with their previous round, Toews lost his cool and hurt his team, and our kids outplayed the Hawks.

We lost because we choked, not because Chicago was on some other level. Chicago barely escaped.

Tanking to get one player is just not smart.

[Shaman 713]

Chicago absolutely did take Detroit seriously. Their play was consistent with their previous round, Toews lost his cool and hurt his team, and our kids outplayed the Hawks.

We lost because we choked, not because Chicago was on some other level. Chicago barely escaped.

Tanking to get one player is just not smart.

To get a player that falls into the category of almost a lock to be a generational talent? With most of our first line talent either oft injured, or on the unhappy side of 35 and our prospects that could replace them being years away from replacing their production I would say taking a year to get a guy who is projected to compete favorably against Crosby as not a terrible idea.

Also, the Wing's didn't blow it, the second Chicago woke up the Wings were outclassed by a lot, I remember like 5 goals in the last 4 games of that series scored by the Wings.

Edited March 5, 2014 by Shaman

[Shaman 713]

Anyone else remember a fella by the name of Alex Daigle?

Okay? And? This kid will be the next Crosby/Malkin/Ovie level player, and possibly better as he is already bigger than Crosby, faster and stronger. This team is in bad need of blue chip young talent, not just boom/bust talent.

[wings87 1,290]

Okay? And? This kid will be the next Crosby/Malkin/Ovie level player, and possibly better as he is already bigger than Crosby, faster and stronger. This team is in bad need of blue chip young talent, not just boom/bust talent.

So are you advocating trading Pav, Z, Kronwall, Howard, and Franzen for nothing but draft picks? Because unless you trade all your best players for nothing but picks finishing last is completely implausible. Not only that how as a fan could you want your team to tank? This team when healthy is a few players from being cup contenders, and there is no proof that they won't be healthy next year.

[Shaman 713]

So are you advocating trading Pav, Z, Kronwall, Howard, and Franzen for nothing but draft picks? Because unless you trade all your best players for nothing but picks finishing last is completely implausible. Not only that how as a fan could you want your team to tank? This team when healthy is a few players from being cup contenders, and there is no proof that they won't be healthy next year.

Every team is a few payers away from being a cup contender, literally every team.

[wings87 1,290]

Every team is a few payers away from being a cup contender, literally every team.

Not even close. You didn't answer do you want to trade all your best players.

Edited March 5, 2014 by wings87

[Shaman 713]

Not even close.

You do realize 76% of the NHL is within 3 points of a playoff spot or in a playoff spot? A "few players" on just about any team that fill their need could make them go from where they are to a much better position.

[wings87 1,290]

You do realize 76% of the NHL is within 3 points of a playoff spot or in a playoff spot? A "few players" on just about any team that fill their need could make them go from where they are to a much better position.

If you trade all your top players and win the lottery and get Mcdavid all you'll have is Mcdavid. Is he good enough to play every position by himself?

[Shaman 713]

Then it's not so unrealistic then that 'anyone can beat anyone' as wings87 had previously suggested?

Yes, if the Wings go in as they are today, they aren't a contender. If they traded for a legit #1 defenseman, a top 6 winger and a top 6 healthy center, they would be a contender. In this case they have acquired a few players, but its not realistic. Hence why I challenged him on his nonchalant claim that the wings are just a few players away. By this logic every team is a few players away.

Ah, to get back to original point:

#1 The Wings are not one 'hockey trade' away from being a realistic contender.

#2 To be a realistic contender they would have to make at least two major moves for a top 6 forward and a #2 or #3 defenseman

#3 If they don't make this move they are better off not making the playoffs, because they will put themselves in a better position to acquire talent needed to either build for the future or trade for what they need in the near future.

Edited March 5, 2014 by Shaman

[brett 1,029]

should be able to straight up trade andy for kesler right? since andy is a first line center and kesler is 2nd line

[amato 3,210]

#2 To be a realistic contender they would have to make at least two major moves for a top 6 forward and a #2 or #3 defenseman

and that is not an unrealistic goal by next season's start..

[wings87 1,290]

Yes, if the Wings go in as they are today, they aren't a contender. If they traded for a legit #1 defenseman, a top 6 winger and a top 6 healthy center, they would be a contender. In this case they have acquired a few players, but its not realistic. Hence why I challenged him on his nonchalant claim that the wings are just a few players away. By this logic every team is a few players away.

It's more realistic then Holland selling the entire team and hoping he gets Mcdavid.

Saying every team is a few players away is just not accurate, only half the teams make the play offs which means that only half the teams have the chance to contend for the Cup. The wings are in the playoffs right now, 50 % of the league would love to be in the same position we are. Ask fans of the Panthers or Oilers and see if they are happy to continue to pick early.

The Wings haven't had a top pick in a long time and that didn't stop them from drafting Pav, Z, or Lidstrom. They don't need the top pick to Win.

[Shaman 713]

It's more realistic then Holland selling the entire team and hoping he gets Mcdavid.

Saying every team is a few players away is just not accurate, only half the teams make the play offs which means that only half the teams have the chance to contend for the Cup. The wings are in the playoffs right now, 50 % of the league would love to be in the same position we are. Ask fans of the Panthers or Oilers and see if they are happy to continue to pick early.

The Wings haven't had a top pick in a long time and that didn't stop them from drafting Pav, Z, or Lidstrom. They don't need the top pick to Win.

Actually over half the teams make the playoffs, there are 16 spots for 30 teams. And you're right that you don't need a top pick to win, but, the team is suffering from years of not having much talent in the farm system. How about I ask the Pens, or the Blackhawks how they like having some early picks or how about Colorado?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

After tonight, time to make a decision. Either sell our UFAs, or acquire some help. Because guys are dropping like flies, and our depth is seriously lacking.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

After tonight, time to make a decision. Either sell our UFAs, or acquire some help. Because guys are dropping like flies, and our depth is seriously lacking.

Kick tires, say they will be active in free agency this summer, won't "overpay" for impact players. Go into next season hoping for health. The Holland cycle of making moves.

Edited March 5, 2014 by GoWings1905

[Nhurdi 42]

How about I ask the Pens, or the Blackhawks how they like having some early picks or how about Colorado?

Why not ask Edmonton too. There are teams that have picked early for years and never got out of the basement and perhaps never will.

On a different point, In the playoffs anything can happen. A injury or two can decimate a teams chances. One player getting hot can vastly improve them. Calgary went deep, Edmonton too, who would have though Carolina would win a cup for christ sake?

Edited March 5, 2014 by Nhurdi

[Shaman 713]

Why not ask Edmonton too. There are teams that have picked early for years and never got out of the basement and perhaps never will.

On a different point, In the playoffs anything can happen. A injury or two can decimate a teams chances. One player getting hot can vastly improve them. Calgary went deep, Edmonton too, who would have though Carolina would win a cup for christ sake?

Yeah, a lot of them road hot goalies. As for Edmonton it's more their drafting philosophy of taking the best player available and not the best player that fits their needs that has screwed them up so bad.

[wings87 1,290]

Actually over half the teams make the playoffs, there are 16 spots for 30 teams. And you're right that you don't need a top pick to win, but, the team is suffering from years of not having much talent in the farm system. How about I ask the Pens, or the Blackhawks how they like having some early picks or how about Colorado?

My bad 47.7 percent are jealous of us not 50. We where good while Colorado, Chicago, and the Pens were collecting their picks, would you rather we had sucked alongside them so we could have had those same picks? What you're proposing is nonsensical not to mention highly improbable, and I just can't debate this anymore.

[Guest fat guy in a maltby jersey]

"who should we target?"

draft picks and prospects, that's who.

this team is going nowhere this season.

[Shaman 713]

My bad 47.7 percent are jealous of us not 50. We where good while Colorado, Chicago, and the Pens were collecting their picks, would you rather we had sucked alongside them so we could have had those same picks? What you're proposing is nonsensical not to mention highly improbable, and I just can't debate this anymore.

If you're okay with years of what we are seeing this season fine. As I said there are two options, you are debating against one of them.

Holland either needs to make at least 2 trades to address the two biggest holes on this team (top 6 winger and #2-#3 RH D-man) or he has to go into full rebuild. Either way, this 'rebuild on the fly' is not a tenable solution as I keep saying.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Well, what's it gonna be Kenny. 3 games this weekend, 2 important eastern conference games. If Helm and Datsyuk aren't good to go, and we don't make a deal, how the f*** can we compete with Andersson on the top line? The guy is a marginal NHL talent, if we were ever 100% healthy he should be up in the press box having a protein bar with Dano and Bert.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Well, what's it gonna be Kenny. 3 games this weekend, 2 important eastern conference games. If Helm and Datsyuk aren't good to go, and we don't make a deal, how the f*** can we compete with Andersson on the top line? The guy is a marginal NHL talent, if we were ever 100% healthy he should be up in the press box having a protein bar with Dano and Bert.

Andersson isn't an nhl player. Proved it tonight. We can find bottom liners that can PK like him and still pitch in. Andersson is slow as s*** and doesn't do much out there even strength. Even with Franzen and Nyquist he looked bad.