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Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

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I guess that's a good point too, I suppose it would really depend on what we ship out... I don't know enough about kesler to say anything about his character but I seen some comments on his divaness, we certainly don't need any cancer in the locker room

No offense to you, but I grow really weary of the questions about [insert player who isn't a Red Wing]'s character. Some people here were s***ting all over Tatar when he kinda sorta maybe threatened to bolt to the KHL because Cleary took his spot at the last minute. Now he's Untouchable, a Phenomenal Team Guy, etc. Fedorov wasn't exactly the greatest Team Guy in history, and was most definitely a Diva. Kronwall's widely regarded as one of the dirtiest, most gutless players in the league. (Actually, there's some history between Kronwall and Kesler.) Bertuzzi almost murdered a guy in cold blood.

We could use a really good center. Kesler is a really good center who we might have a shot at getting. He might be the difference between the playoffs and early tee times. I don't really care if he's a prick. Maybe he becomes a better Team Guy as a Red Wing. (Wouldn't be the first time that's happened with a player.)

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The thing with Kesler is, does he even waive for the Wings ? Yeah, he is a Michigan boy but other than that the Wings situation is not that much different from the one he currently is in. The guy wants to win a cup neither Detroit nor Vancouver are going to be cup contenders in this or next year. Another thing to consider is again the asking price, with Pittsburgh offering Pouiliot, Bennet, Sutter + 1 let them get him and mortage their future...

Jurco, Helm, Kindl + first won't get the job done and Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan and Dekeyser should be non starters, period.

Heck even Holmgren was rumored to be shocked by the asking price one of Couture, B. Schenn, Laughton + 1 so go along Shero add another piece for your insane top 6 instead of fixing your D :D

As for Vanek if the Wings want him, make him an offer come July 1 the guy has said over and over again, he will test free agency.

Kesler, who has a no-trade clause, is willing to accept a trade to the Flyers, as well as the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Red Wings, both of whom have also inquired about his availability.

The Chicago Blackhawks and Los Angeles Kings also expressed interest in Kesler, but the Canucks will not deal him to either team, while the Toronto Maple Leafs and Columbus Blue Jackets have been told Kesler will not waive his no-trade clause to go there.

Via thefourthperiod.com

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I've heard a year ago how Tatar gets pushed easily,Jurco's one way player and Sheahan would be the 4th liner at best.

Tatar is small and gets knocked off the puck easier than a bigger guy would, but he's also a forward and a better skater than Almquist.

Jurco still needs to work on his defense, but you don't have to be good as a winger, just ok.

Most people who actually pay attention and know a bit about hockey figured Sheahan still had 3rd line upside pretty easily.

Almquist is small, which is a big issue for a d-man. If you can skate at a high level, it's possible to overcome that. Almquist can't. Too many forwards are going to have both a size and speed advantage over him for him to ever be an NHL player, I don't care how much he scores in the AHL. Lots of guys play great in the minors but get destroyed in the NHL.

Dickie, not that I'm especially keen on Almqvist, but you're basically just saying what everyone says about smallish offensive defensemen. And yet, there are guys who were hit with the same criticisms earlier in their careers who've gone on to become good defensemen at the NHL level.

All of the decent ones could skate better than Almquist can.

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Kesler's price is about what I'd expected. That's Helm/Sheahan, Sproul/Ouellet, and a 1st. If any one of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss were healthy, I'd say it's absolutely, positively not happening. But, fact is, we could really use a top-six center. (And if we get healthy down the middle, Kesler's able and willing to play RW.)

if Sheahan, sproul/ouellet, & this years first were to get the deal done, I think I'd take it.

I see them wanting something more like helm, mantha, 2015 1st though.

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Shero is a crazed lunatic. The Penguins time is now (now being the next few years).

No way Kenny outbids him.

Edit: If Holland were smart though, he'd keep negotiating for Kesler just to drive up Gillis' asking price with Shero. Bleed that friggin' Pens organization as much as possible.

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If that's the asking price, I'd be strongly compelled to take it. Only thing is, if we lose Helm for another Center, while we upgrade the position we don't solve our current dilemma of not having enough good centers healthy.

I agree with Holland about no rentals, but he should absolutely be aggressive about anyone else. I'd part with picks easily, since the draft will be weak and the Wings will finish somewhere in the middle of the pack. We have a lot of prospects, so if one of them gets us a legit top 6 or top 4 guy right now, you do it.

The injuries to Datsyuk and Z only make it more imperative that we make a move, not less. Even with everyone healthy, the team still needs changes and additions. So make them now, since there are some legitimately good choices available. This year's deadline is better than previous ones because there are actually good players available, so don't wait for the off-season to upgrade somewhere.

And as for Cammalleri, he may be small, but he gets to the dirty areas, doesn't he? And he snipes. I think he's like Tatar. Small but he plays big.

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I wonder if Shero is really willing to sell the farm for Kesler or if he's just trying to scare away potential suitors/drive up the price for rivals. I mean, I can certainly imagine him going nuts and trading half of his farm club for an elite player...but wouldn't it make more sense for that player to be a defenseman than a forward...ya know, because their defense is laughable?

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I wonder if Shero is really willing to sell the farm for Kesler or if he's just trying to scare away potential suitors/drive up the price for rivals. I mean, I can certainly imagine him going nuts and trading half of his farm club for an elite player...but wouldn't it make more sense for that player to be a defenseman than a forward...ya know, because their defense is laughable?

They had the same issue last year and went all in on forwards.

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Tatar is small and gets knocked off the puck easier than a bigger guy would, but he's also a forward and a better skater than Almquist.

Jurco still needs to work on his defense, but you don't have to be good as a winger, just ok.

Most people who actually pay attention and know a bit about hockey figured Sheahan still had 3rd line upside pretty easily.

Almquist is small, which is a big issue for a d-man. If you can skate at a high level, it's possible to overcome that. Almquist can't. Too many forwards are going to have both a size and speed advantage over him for him to ever be an NHL player, I don't care how much he scores in the AHL. Lots of guys play great in the minors but get destroyed in the NHL.

All of the decent ones could skate better than Almquist can.

Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit

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They had the same issue last year and went all in on forwards.

100% true. I guess I was just thinking that if he's half the "genius" GM everyone proclaims him to be he'd have learned from that mistake. Maybe not though.

Edit: I decided to check the numbers and they've got the 9th best goals against in the league so I guess they're not as bad as I thought. You'd still think they'd be looking to replace Letang though.

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Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit

I don't care if he scored a goal in one of his 2 NHL games. He's still bad defensively. Lebderp was better defensively, and he'd make Quincey look like a Norris winner.

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Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit

Fabian Brunnstrom, 1 game - 3 goals.

We all know what happened from there.

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Think it helped lebderp to have lidstrom Rafalski kronwall Stuart Ericsson

just saying almquist would really help out our 2nd ppl unit ... No one could say with great certainty he wouldn't , I'd just to see him be given a chance , I can see him as a Tobias enstrom type on the ppl

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Think it helped lebderp to have lidstrom Rafalski kronwall Stuart Ericsson

just saying almquist would really help out our 2nd ppl unit ... No one could say with great certainty he wouldn't , I'd just to see him be given a chance , I can see him as a Tobias enstrom type on the ppl

They're both small. Any other similarities?

No one here could say with 'great certainty' that the Ukraine isn't a great place to live either. Doesn't make it so.

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Beat reporter on Vancouver s Team 1040 phone interview this morning said the reason Edler did not go to Detroit last summer is because Gillis wanted Tatar, Sheahan, and Smith.

This is a good example of why Kenny says it's difficult to get hockey trades done. Sounds worse than dealing with jokers on Craigslist.

Also said Holmgren will really go after Kesler because Philly can't afford Pittsburgh getting him, they'll run through the East.

Pittsburgh wants to use Kesler as a 3c a la Jordan Stahl, I can't see the Diva in him content with 3c.

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They're both small. Any other similarities?No one here could say with 'great certainty' that the Ukraine isn't a great place to live either. Doesn't make it so.

They can both quarterback a ppl? Both are small hockey players but have good hockey sense and offensive abilities .... Both swedish ... In there 20s .... Both like Chinese food and horseback riding and own a pony in the Ukraine

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Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit

I like the guy, but he did fan on two one timers in the game I was at last weekend vs the Heat. :-)

He did look great on the PP, and man that guy slices the D with beautiful passes.

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Beat reporter on Vancouver s Team 1040 phone interview this morning said the reason Edler did not go to Detroit last summer is because Gillis wanted Tatar, Sheahan, and Smith.

This is a good example of why Kenny says it's difficult to get hockey trades done. Sounds worse than dealing with jokers on Craigslist.

Also said Holmgren will really go after Kesler because Philly can't afford Pittsburgh getting him, they'll run through the East.

Pittsburgh wants to use Kesler as a 3c a la Jordan Stahl, I can't see the Diva in him content with 3c.

Wouldn't of done that deal either if I was holland

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Why would we want a legitimate top 6 forward to play on datsyuk's wing when we have helm who is almost as good defensively but in his 30 games in 3 years is a "warrior"

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Beat reporter on Vancouver s Team 1040 phone interview this morning said the reason Edler did not go to Detroit last summer is because Gillis wanted Tatar, Sheahan, and Smith.

This is a good example of why Kenny says it's difficult to get hockey trades done. Sounds worse than dealing with jokers on Craigslist.

Also said Holmgren will really go after Kesler because Philly can't afford Pittsburgh getting him, they'll run through the East.

Pittsburgh wants to use Kesler as a 3c a la Jordan Stahl, I can't see the Diva in him content with 3c.

Kesler as a third Center? Good luck with that Bylsma the guy was pissed off at first because he didn't get first line center minutes. I'm wondering at what point Mario Lemieux steps in to set Shero straight. I mean does he really believe they can outscore everybody by such a large margin? Good teams know how to play against Pittsburgh, get Crosby of his game and shut his line down...the defense will take care of everything else the word is already out and yet Shero is only thinking about forwards amazing.

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They're both small. Any other similarities?No one here could say with 'great certainty' that the Ukraine isn't a great place to live either. Doesn't make it so.

They can both quarterback a ppl? Both are small hockey players but have good hockey sense and offensive abilities .... Both swedish ... In there 20s .... Both like Chinese food and horseback riding and own a pony in the Ukraine

Enstrom is also a much better skater and really isn't that great of a defenseman either. Almquist would be worse and the Wings have several d prospects who are or will be better.

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I like the guy, but he did fan on two one timers in the game I was at last weekend vs the Heat. :-)

He did look great on the PP, and man that guy slices the D with beautiful passes.

Well oshie/backea(don't remember which one it was ) took a shot and fanned and fell flat on his face this year lol ... No ones perfect :P

Lucky you man wish I could see so e Grand Rapids games especially now with the team stacked with such great prospects

Enstrom is also a much better skater and really isn't that great of a defenseman either. Almquist would be worse and the Wings have several d prospects who are or will be better.

Enstrom also is older and has more nhl experience ... And I do agree we have more better defensive prospects ahead of him but as of right now , today I think he could help our ppl

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@dabura no offense taken, friendly hockey debate no hurt feelings ☺... I don't see tats as a phenomenal team guy I see him more of a diy guy sometimes it seems he tries to create too much by himself (but hey with dats out tonight let's see how the 'yoots' play) fedorov was class personified, great in both ends, especially after first few season in the league... Kesler doesn't have the same talent, hes just tougher... Kronwall isn't dirty he just doesn't give a s*** who he hits and god forbid the other team is breaking out of their zone and the winger has his head down on the boards...(ie kronwall vs voracek lolol not even funny lol) I see Bert/tootoo maybe Abby as our dirty players, Bert learned his lesson after a season suspended and almost being jailed for attempt.... As for kesler becoming a team guy on the wings, its surely possible and I can see it as long as someone holds him in check, make sure he doesn't start thinking he's bigger than the team...

Nyqvist I remember the blue, fanning on the onetimer near the blue line falling and just skating to the bench while his teammates were laughing

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