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#41 PaZel

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 07:26 PM

Dallas Drake. Talk about a guy who gave his all every shift!


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Posted 04 August 2014 - 07:29 PM

TKO? I don't know about that. Lucky punch that grazed the helmet is more like it, but I'll give it to Lilja. And props to him for defending his teammate, but that fight against Phaneuf was a whole lot of nothing. No, I'm talking about the Lilja who got his ass handed to him in about 80% of his fights. Don't get me wrong, I respect Lilja for being willing to drop the gloves, especially in the post-Bowman Wings era, but simply put, he was not a good fighter. But this is not even worth arguing about.  

 

I'd like to see these 80% of fights he lost while he was a Wing.  


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Posted 04 August 2014 - 07:47 PM

Darren McCarty. Everyone has a favorite McCarty moment (likely involving Claude Lemieux) and I'd love it if the Wings could sign another player like him. Dude just worked every shift.

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 08:13 PM

 

I'd like to see these 80% of fights he lost while he was a Wing.  

I guess that your memories of his days with Detroit are a little different than mine. Hell, I don't even remember him actually fighting all that often; certainly no more than 2 or 3 times a season. He lost to Moen and got Destroyed by Weber. He won against Souray and Sharp (does this one even count?). Draw against Phaneuf and Boll, at least in my book.  I'm having trouble remembering any other of his fights with Detroit. I remember Corson and Jovo kicking his ass when he was with Florida. So that's at least 2-4-2 by my count. You can do the percentage. Math is not my strength. 



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 08:13 PM

The guys that came to my mind in this order:

 

Kozlov, Rafalski, McCarty, Draper.

 

Going with the question I'd say Draper (McCarty second) brought the most for the littlest appreciation.



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 08:32 PM

I guess that your memories of his days with Detroit are a little different than mine. Hell, I don't even remember him actually fighting all that often; certainly no more than 2 or 3 times a season. He lost to Moen and got Destroyed by Weber. He won against Souray and Sharp (does this one even count?). Draw against Phaneuf and Boll, at least in my book.  I'm having trouble remembering any other of his fights with Detroit. I remember Corson and Jovo kicking his ass when he was with Florida. So that's at least 2-4-2 by my count. You can do the percentage. Math is not my strength. 

 

He heat Boll like a rented mule.  He also fought Begin and Slater.  The fear on Phaneuf's face was enough to register that a win for Lilja.  Phaneuf hanged on for dear life.    

 

His days in Florida are irrelevant.  That was before he came the "PAIN TRAIN"


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Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:15 PM

 
He heat Boll like a rented mule.  He also fought Begin and Slater.  The fear on Phaneuf's face was enough to register that a win for Lilja.  Phaneuf hanged on for dear life.    
 
His days in Florida are irrelevant.  That was before he came the "PAIN TRAIN"

I enjoyed Lilja's physicality on the blueline, but he wasn't a good fighter. The fight against Boll was a draw, in my opinion. Lilja got one in early, but it was a short fight. The fights against Begin and Neil were so short that I don't remember punches being thrown. He beat Patrick Sharp, but he's Patrick Sharp. He got dropped by Shea Weber. The Phaneuf fight was pretty short and uneventful, too.
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Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:25 PM

I enjoyed Lilja's physicality on the blueline, but he wasn't a good fighter. The fight against Boll was a draw, in my opinion. Lilja got one in early, but it was a short fight. The fights against Begin and Neil were so short that I don't remember punches being thrown. He beat Patrick Sharp, but he's Patrick Sharp. He got dropped by Shea Weber. The Phaneuf fight was pretty short and uneventful, too.

 

And his knocking Souray on his ass?  


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Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:30 PM

 
And his knocking Souray on his ass?  

He won that fight, yes. Don't think it was a TKO, though. Not that it really matters.

Ericsson is better with the gloves off than Lilja was.

Edited by Bring Back The Bruise Bros, 04 August 2014 - 09:31 PM.

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:40 PM

Kozlov and Larionov were both overshadowed by Fedorov, Vladdy, and Fetisov while they were here, despite both being extremely good hockey players



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:23 AM

 

He heat Boll like a rented mule.  He also fought Begin and Slater.  The fear on Phaneuf's face was enough to register that a win for Lilja.  Phaneuf hanged on for dear life.    

 

His days in Florida are irrelevant.  That was before he came the "PAIN TRAIN"

As I could not recall Lilja beating Boll "like a rented Mule", I had to go watch it again on Youtube. Lilja handled himself well against a better fighter, and if I were forced to pick a winner, I might give it to Lilja solely on the basis that he fell on top. But I stand by my original verdict: draw. 

 

"PAIN TRAIN"?  Yeah, I felt like I was on one when watching him in the '07 WCF vs Anaheim. 


Edited by Hairy Lime, 05 August 2014 - 05:24 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 06:46 AM

As I could not recall Lilja beating Boll "like a rented Mule", I had to go watch it again on Youtube. Lilja handled himself well against a better fighter, and if I were forced to pick a winner, I might give it to Lilja solely on the basis that he fell on top. But I stand by my original verdict: draw. 
 
"PAIN TRAIN"?  Yeah, I felt like I was on one when watching him in the '07 WCF vs Anaheim. 


I think all our fighters are underrated. Probert, Kocur, McCarty, Lilja, Downey, and Tootoo

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 07:04 AM

I think all our fighters are underrated. Probert, Kocur, McCarty, Lilja, Downey, and Tootoo

I did not know Lilja had such a large fan club. Now he's a fighter? He fought, but he was not a fighter. And Probert and Kocur are universally thought of as two of the 5-10 best enforcers to ever drop the gloves - # 1 & 2 in my book! McCarty was a decent enough fighter, but struggled from time to time against the heavyweights. But for the most part, he held his own. Did Tootoo play for Detroit? I don't remember. Now Downey, yeah, he was underrated. Not the greatest technical fighter, but he was a bulldog and had great endurance, and he never hesitated to come to a teammates defense. I'm still pissed that we had a roster spot for Kopecky in '09 but Downey was wasted in GR. 

 

What about Shanny and May? Both good fighters, but May was a bit past his prime by the time he signed with us. Lapointe was also a good fighter.



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:39 AM

Why does Lilja even get mentioned every time we talk about fighters? Guy didn't even fight 15 times in his whole career.

Edited by Bring Back The Bruise Bros, 05 August 2014 - 09:40 AM.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:59 AM


Rafalski.  He did it all...and did it all at a world class level.  Unfortunately, as so happens when you play with one  of the best ever at a particular position, he was often overshadowed by Nick.  I also think Nick learned a lot from him on the blue line in terms of offense.  I have seen very few "skate the line" with the puck like Rafalski did.  At the beginning of his term with us, he was much better at this than Nick.  His lateral movement with the puck at the blue line to find a shooting lane was second to none.  As a result, Nick soon became much improved at this, and eventually you'd have to say that they were equally as good.  But Rafalski was underrated in my opinion.


 
I thought about Rafalksi.  A great example of a whipping boy that suddenly got missed when he left.  The powerplay really missed Rafalski.  
 


Konstantonov got screwed out of at least one and probably more Norrises because he was Russian. If he'd been from Medicine Hat or Saskatoon the media would have loved him. Until this last contract Bertuzzi was pretty underrated. He got around 40 points, played the best 2way hockey of his career, and could stop some of the nonsense.


 
Just curious, what years would you have given him the Norris for?  You say at least one, and probably more.
 
He never scored 40 points in any season, and this was in an era were goals were more prevalent than later years.  I realize there's more to defending than scoring points, but you're not going to win a Norris trophy if you can't hit 40 points.  That's why he didn't win one.  Not because he's not from Canada or the US. 


96-97 for sure. Possibly a couple the two previous years.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:04 AM

Oh boy,  I'd have to say Homer too, but Drew Miller runs close in the race too.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:48 AM

Why does Lilja even get mentioned every time we talk about fighters? Guy didn't even fight 15 times in his whole career.


Lilja didn't have to fight that much cause everyone was afraid of him. Plus Babs doesn't like his Dmen to fight... If Lilja had played wing he would have wrecked shop

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 11:55 AM

I'd agree with Raffi.  Sure he declined, but you literally can't buy puck sense like that any more.

 

Flip was definitely underappreciated too.  Sure he needed better finish, but he had great skills through the neutral zone, great O zone entries, fantastic work ethic, and was our best player on the ice a good few nights when Z or D were injured.  Our 2-4 lines don't have what he did now, so we chip in now.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 11:59 AM

 

And his knocking Souray on his ass?  

 

By that rationale Colton Orr is a superior enforcer to you boy McGrattan wouldn't you agree?  I wouldn't read to much into it. 


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 12:20 PM

I definitely think Filppula was one of the most under appreciated guys of recent years. I personally loved the guy and was very sad the day he signed with Tampa, but for the most part, many fans grew very frustrated with him. In my mind, the biggest reason was because a lot of people expected him to be a player he wasn't. He was never projected to be an elite center, he was always a pass first player, so it was unfair to expect him to completely change his game and become a shoot first player.

 

I think some people realized how much he was missed last year, but of course others will always say they're happy he's gone and he isn't worth $5M per year. I'm really looking forward to see what Weiss can do when finally healthy, but I still think Filppula will out produce Weiss again this year and for the full 5 years on their contracts...







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