Randy Carlyle relieved of his duties by Leafs

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

The lazy Kessel is top 10 in scoring without having a number one center. The Toronto media hates him because he doesn't talk add much as Lupul and of course his former coach knows how Kessel is now.. Ich But hey if the guy is such a problem send him to Detroit and put him on Pasha 's wing This player beat cancer, is shy, scores 30+ goals every year and yet he is blamed for Torontos problems this town would criticise Stamkos if he doesn't score every other game just crazy

The main reason the media hates him is because he isn't Canadian.

How many beloved American born players have there been in Canadian cities? Not many.

Edited January 10, 2015 by GMRwings1983

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

The main reason the media hates him is because he isn't Canadian.

How many beloved American born players have there been in Canadian cities? Not many.

That is just simply false and not true.

Media absolutley hated Sundin I guess.

Edited January 10, 2015 by darkmanx

[frankgrimes 1,836]

The lazy Kessel is top 10 in scoring without having a number one center. The Toronto media hates him because he doesn't talk add much as Lupul and of course his former coach knows how Kessel is now.. Ich But hey if the guy is such a problem send him to Detroit and put him on Pasha 's wing This player beat cancer, is shy, scores 30+ goals every year and yet he is blamed for Torontos problems this town would criticise Stamkos if he doesn't score every other game just crazy

The main reason the media hates him is because he isn't Canadian.

How many beloved American born players have there been in Canadian cities? Not many.

I think the main reason is he doesn't give them any stupid quotes like Lupul. Kessel does let his actions do the talking but hey if they hate him Kessel would look good in a winged wheel

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

That is just simply false and not true.

Media absolutley hated Sundin I guess.

They would like Kessel more if he was Canadian. I don't think that's a false statement.

Also, I believe I have a point in saying there's not many beloved American born hockey players in Canadian cities. I just can't think of too many. Can you?

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

They would like Kessel more if he was Canadian. I don't think that's a false statement.

Also, I believe I have a point in saying there's not many beloved American born hockey players in Canadian cities. I just can't think of too many. Can you?

Beloved players are a small batch anyway. To be really loved by a fanbase you usually have to be a star so that makes. On the Canadian teams (maybe all teams) also there's only about 3-5 U.S. players, but there definitely are beloved Yanks north of the border.

Montreal Loves Pacioretty. They've got Galchenyuk, Tom Gilbert - not entirely sure, but think fan opinions are pretty good there.

Leafs fans like Van Riemsdyk I'm pretty sure.

Vancouver fans seem to really be embracing Miller, but he's a goalie in Vancouver - give it time. Higgins, Bonino - Bonino is also pretty new but opinions seem to be pretty high on him.

Edmonton doesn't like any of their players it seems. Not sure Calgary has any U.S. players.

Jets: Bogosian, Byfuglien seem to be love-hate. Actually not sure don't really pay attention to the Jets.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

Beloved players are a small batch anyway. To be really loved by a fanbase you usually have to be a star so that makes. On the Canadian teams (maybe all teams) also there's only about 3-5 U.S. players, but there definitely are beloved Yanks north of the border.

Montreal Loves Pacioretty. They've got Galchenyuk, Tom Gilbert - not entirely sure, but think fan opinions are pretty good there.

Leafs fans like Van Riemsdyk I'm pretty sure.

Vancouver fans seem to really be embracing Miller, but he's a goalie in Vancouver - give it time. Higgins, Bonino - Bonino is also pretty new but opinions seem to be pretty high on him.

Edmonton doesn't like any of their players it seems. Not sure Calgary has any U.S. players.

Jets: Bogosian, Byfuglien seem to be love-hate. Actually not sure don't really pay attention to the Jets.

I wouldn't call any of those players beloved. Also, Pacioretty has French Canadian blood if I'm not mistaken.

With Kessel's goal scoring record, if he was a "Canadian boy" as Don Cherry likes to call them, he would be a lot more popular in the Toronto media. He's the best offensive player they've had since Sundin in his prime.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I wouldn't call any of those players beloved. Also, Pacioretty has French Canadian blood if I'm not mistaken.

With Kessel's goal scoring record, if he was a "Canadian boy" as Don Cherry likes to call them, he would be a lot more popular in the Toronto media. He's the best offensive player they've had since Sundin in his prime.

Fine then name me a beloved player on a Canadian team . The Sedins? And they're not Canadian.

Subban, Price: Canadians that take endless s*** from the Canadian media. Price more-so a couple of years ago when Habs weren't as good (like the Leafs).

I've been thinking about it and maybe what you're saying is possible. There is definitely some pro-Canadian nationalism with some Canadian coverage. It's hard to gauge how it affects individual players public perceptions, though, and pretty hard to prove. There's also so many factors apart from nationality - How the team is playing, The players' individual style, and also, public demeanor and personality plays into it. Even if that public perception is often formed or influenced by the media themselves...

Edited January 11, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

They would like Kessel more if he was Canadian. I don't think that's a false statement.

Also, I believe I have a point in saying there's not many beloved American born hockey players in Canadian cities. I just can't think of too many. Can you?

How do you prove that? Please do show some evidence that would prove Toronto only loves Canadian players, would love to see that conclusion.

Also bringing Don Cherry is irrelvant on a countries feelings. He dones't represent me, or any other Canadian. In fact 90% of Canadians can't stand him and the only reason he still has a job is because of CBC.

Edited January 11, 2015 by darkmanx

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

How do you prove that? Please do show some evidence that would prove Toronto only loves Canadian players, would love to see that conclusion.

Also bringing Don Cherry is irrelvant on a countries feelings. He dones't represent me, or any other Canadian. In fact 90% of Canadians can't stand him and the only reason he still has a job is because of CBC.

I didn't say they only love Canadian players or love all Canadian players. I said they don't like Kessel largely because he's not a Canadian. I don't know how you want me to prove it. It's a theory. But you have no way of proving that it doesn't factor into the media's thinking at all.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

How do you prove that? Please do show some evidence that would prove Toronto only loves Canadian players, would love to see that conclusion.

Also bringing Don Cherry is irrelvant on a countries feelings. He dones't represent me, or any other Canadian. In fact 90% of Canadians can't stand him and the only reason he still has a job is because of CBC.

I didn't say they only love Canadian players or love all Canadian players. I said they don't like Kessel largely because he's not a Canadian. I don't know how you want me to prove it. It's a theory. But you have no way of proving that it doesn't factor into the media's thinking at all.

They don't like Kessel because he comes off as a lazy arrogant prick, not because he's American.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

They don't like Kessel because he comes off as a lazy arrogant prick, not because he's American.

But would they like him more if he was a lazy, arrogant, Canadian prick?

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I didn't say they only love Canadian players or love all Canadian players. I said they don't like Kessel largely because he's not a Canadian. I don't know how you want me to prove it. It's a theory. But you have no way of proving that it doesn't factor into the media's thinking at all.

I was going to allow you that they might like him more if he was Canadian (national hero factor). But if that's what you're saying I think that's non-sense. It's easy to refute too - just look at all the non Canadian players that are/have been loved in Canadian hockey cities: The Sedins, Alfredsson, Sundin. Kovalev and Koivu were very popular here in Montreal (and Kovalev was a lazy prick, haha)

Just sticking with the Leafs - Van Riemsdyk is pretty well liked by fans and media.

You've been watching too much Don Cherry.

I think the Toronto Media demands that a player be really a publicly extrovert personality. They also demand that a player put up with a lot of s*** from the media and bite their tongue.

I think Carey Price is a great comparable. He went through the same stuff in years past that Kessel is going through - being blamed for every little problem the team has gone through. They criticized his withdrawn personality. The criticized his manner of dealing with media. He's Canadian, Kessel's American. They're both Great players who have garnered way more criticism than they deserved. Price get more appreciation since the team is doing better. Same would happen for Kessel.

Edited January 12, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

I didn't say they only love Canadian players or love all Canadian players. I said they don't like Kessel largely because he's not a Canadian. I don't know how you want me to prove it. It's a theory. But you have no way of proving that it doesn't factor into the media's thinking at all.

Right, a theory, but it was presented as fact.

I live in Toronto, and I can tell you 100% from experience living in the city and dealing / working with die hard leaf fans daily Kessel isn't hated by because he's American, infact most of Toronto loves the guy they just wish he would play a little more defense. Never once have I ever heard "I hate Kessel because he's American" and no if he was Canadian and played the same game he wouldn't be treated any other way.

I was going to allow you that they might like him more if he was Canadian (national hero factor). But if that's what you're saying I think that's non-sense. It's easy to refute too - just look at all the non Canadian players that are/have been loved in Canadian hockey cities: The Sedins, Alfredsson, Sundin. Kovalev and Koivu were very popular here in Montreal (and Kovalev was a lazy prick, haha)

Just sticking with the Leafs - Van Riemsdyk is pretty well liked by fans and media.

You've been watching too much Don Cherry.

I think the Toronto Media demands that a player be really a publicly extrovert personality. They also demand that a player put up with a lot of s*** from the media and bite their tongue.

I think Carey Price is a great comparable. He went through the same stuff in years past that Kessel is going through - being blamed for every little problem the team has gone through. They criticized his withdrawn personality. The criticized his manner of dealing with media. He's Canadian, Kessel's American. They're both Great players who have garnered way more criticism than they deserved. Price get more appreciation since the team is doing better. Same would happen for Kessel.

Oh but Montreal hates Galchenyuk, apparently they are trying to get him deported because he's American!

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

They don't like Kessel because he comes off as a lazy arrogant prick

So...because he's American?

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I was going to allow you that they might like him more if he was Canadian (national hero factor). But if that's what you're saying I think that's non-sense. It's easy to refute too - just look at all the non Canadian players that are/have been loved in Canadian hockey cities: The Sedins, Alfredsson, Sundin. Kovalev and Koivu were very popular here in Montreal (and Kovalev was a lazy prick, haha)

Just sticking with the Leafs - Van Riemsdyk is pretty well liked by fans and media.

You've been watching too much Don Cherry.

I think the Toronto Media demands that a player be really a publicly extrovert personality. They also demand that a player put up with a lot of s*** from the media and bite their tongue.

Don Cherry is great even as a euro myself I wish we would have s someone like him calling out clubs that have more foreigners than national or local heroes. I mean Toronto had the whole GTA area and yet they didn't draft a kid from there till the later rounds so yeah the team needs to be called out on that.

good point about Kessel I believe some media pricks think being an extroverted personality is more important than being a top 10 scorer each and every year.

Puckdaddy did have a nice comparison last week:.what if Kessel and Patrick Kane roles would be reversed? Feschuk should feel lucky that he is still allowed in the locker room do that stuff in Detroit and you are banned.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Maple Leafs well on their way to another loss tonight against the Ducks.

The more they stink - the pile of $$$ that will be offered to Babs will grow.

And yet, as much as Babcock loves to win - the more they stink, the less he'll want to go there. They're a team in desperate need of a rebuild, and part of why Bacock (this is my assumption) is holding out in Detroit is because he wants to see where this team stands with guys like Nyquist and Tatar taking on bigger roles. Can he win with this group of guys? If he thinks he can, I think he stays.

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

I'm not sure if a rebuild is needed - however I'm not sure if we should buy into the idea that Kessel is a 'coach killer' as well.

I'm certain though of 1 thing, and that's Babcock will be 1 rich fella come summer time regardless of his zip/postal code.

I didn't realize he was broke now

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

lol

Lets be honest...$$$ can play a big factor when making a decision.

I don't think a couple million dollars is enough to go to a losing team.

And aren't taxes close to 50% for people making millions in Canada?

[chaps80 1,591]

I don't think a couple million dollars is enough to go to a losing team.

And aren't taxes close to 50% for people making millions in Canada?

Yes, taxes for high income tax bracket earners are crazy high here. I have friends who have actually refused a raise, because it would put them in a higher tax bracket, and they're after tax take home pay would be equal or even less than what they were currently making.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

That's why these guys are hiring the best financial advisers and tax accounters possible. The best thing they can do is buying a condo or house in a non tax state and declare it as your primary home to avoid that unreal heavy tax. I'm sure there other much better tricks but those people would be stupid to pay 50 % of their income in taxes thats just crazy even 20 % is pushing it.

Regardless where Babcock ends he will be the highest paid coach in the league and probably set a precedent for other coaches. But man Feschuk, Simmons and Cox versus Babcock would be a beauty instead of snapping Babs would just kick him out of the locker-room 24/7 style.

[chaps80 1,591]

Knew a guy who was making $50/hour, five eight-hour shifts a week. So his pay before taxes was $4000 bi-weekly. I'm pretty sure he only ended up with around $2500 after taxes, and that may be a bit high. It's insane.

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

Knew a guy who was making $50/hour, five eight-hour shifts a week. So his pay before taxes was $4000 bi-weekly. I'm pretty sure he only ended up with around $2500 after taxes, and that may be a bit high. It's insane.

Not really. If I make about $1700 a week I lose about 600 on taxes. That's about %35

[RedWingsRox 614]

Watching 'Hockey Central' on NHL Network while having some lunch...Seems as though Nonis/Shanahan will need to hire a legit/more experienced GM before any significant player moves are made.

Wonder if the combo of 'GM/coach' would entice Babcock to leave Detroit?

I think this plus big $$ might be the thing that swings Babs over ... more so with the GM/Coach.

I understand Roy has something like (control over player personnel) but not officially GM on his title, is that right?

[chaps80 1,591]

Not really. If I make about $1700 a week I lose about 600 on taxes. That's about %35

Yeah, I'm probably off by a bit. Either way, its alot of tax. lol

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Leafs have now scored one goal in four games.