nawein 324 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 From everything I've read about the draft from scouts it looks like there's pretty clearly defined talent levels in the draft. Top 2, top 5, top 11, top 20 and then who knows. So moving back that many spots could be a big deal. I'm not opposed to it, bit when we got Mantha we moved back what, 2 spots and got the 51st pick? If we're moving back 9 I want more from Tampa. Also, Werenski will be gone by the time Dallas picks. Philly, Colorado, San Jose and Columbus all need D too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 Exactly why I've been stressing I am not in favor of moving back in the draft. I want to move up to grab a top flight defenseman. I also agree and have said before that Werenski may not be available at 12, in which case I wouldn't make the trade with Dallas... Maybe try to make a trade with San Jose or Columbus?... Also, I wasn't saying that moving from 19th to 28th wouldn't be a huge deal for us, I was saying that moving from 12th to 19th might not be such a huge deal for Dallas if their number one guy is gone and they feel they can still get their number two guy at 19, while also adding assets... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 Serious question, when was the last time Ken Holland moved up in the draft? If this isn't enough to make you puke... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barabbas16 499 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 Serious question, when was the last time Ken Holland moved up in the draft? If this isn't enough to make you puke... Dominic Turgeon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 Dominic Turgeon? I guess I should have been more clear. I was talking about the first round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 I keep hearing that Arizona is looking at trading down from #3 if a prospect was included... Would anyone do Mantha + the 19th Overall for Dylan Strome (likely #3 Pick)? I certainly would. Doubt it's enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 Moving back 7 spots isn't a such a huge deal in such a deep draft. Obviously Kindl alone wouldn't get the trade done, and that's not what I said... I do think Kindl, Marchenko or Ouellet would peak Nill's interest, and we could add in another piece (Nastasiuk?) if it gets the deal done. Of course, I'm only interested in that move if Werenski is still available, which he may not be at that point... This is my favorite option because I believe Werenski has top pair potential, and that is what we are truly lacking in the pipeline. I'd rather add one player that projects to be a number 1-2 defenseman, then 2 players that project to be 4-5 defensemen... I would also like to explore trading our 1st round pick plus other assets for immediate help on defense. A player like Johnson would be a huge upgrade on the back end... I'm personally not to high on erik johnson and I doubt anyways colorado would deal him as they got problems in the back end as well And ya I know dallas wouldn't just take kindl alone for the pick, I'm just thinking they'd have no interest at all (could be wrong) ... Wouldn't wanna give up too much to move up 7 spots personally as I think ouellet could be a good top 4 dman who won't make too many mistakes and as for natasiuk I think he's gonna be a good role player who will perform in the post season We'll see what happens at the draft , if the wings picked up werenski I wouldn't be pissed off , just think he'll be gone and there's quite a few guys I like from 20-60 with potential so I wouldn't mind an extra pick or 2 A lot of good dmen have come from the 2nd round Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 I keep hearing that Arizona is looking at trading down from #3 if a prospect was included... Would anyone do Mantha + the 19th Overall for Dylan Strome (likely #3 Pick)? I certainly would. Doubt it's enough. I doubt it's enough too. It'd probably take larkin, mantha, 19th. Maybe not quite that much, but you get the point.... The #3 overall pick is an expensive thing to trade for, especially in a deep draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 I think any GM who has a beard should lose their 1st round draft pick and be forced to watch old NBC 're-runs of Blossom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 I doubt it's enough too. It'd probably take larkin, mantha, 19th. Maybe not quite that much, but you get the point.... The #3 overall pick is an expensive thing to trade for, especially in a deep draft. Whoever they trade with, they're going to want a good center coming back.And I really don't want to let go of Larkin, or athanasiou. Id definitely give up mantha and our pick for him strome seems like he's going to be pretty good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 I keep hearing that Arizona is looking at trading down from #3 if a prospect was included... Would anyone do Mantha + the 19th Overall for Dylan Strome (likely #3 Pick)? I certainly would. Doubt it's enough. Absolutely I would do that. Strome and Mcdavid are pals, it gives a small chance of Mcdavid wanting to play with him someday In his own right, I think Strome will clearly be better then Mantha. I'd take that. Obviously a risk/reward situation but there is a guaranteed gain in strome with potential for a high to low loss with Mantha+ whoever the pick becomes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 How much more could it possibly take? Overpay and throw in Anthanasiou - we would still have awesome depth down the middle 3 years from now.. LARKIN STROME SHEAHAN GLENDENNING Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 I'll take AA over Strome any day...I have a feeling Strome was a product of McDavid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 I'll take AA over Strome any day...I have a feeling Strome was a product of McDavid Strome schmome Last few days on hockeysfuture axel holmstrom and now dylan larkin are top news ... Athanasiou as you mentioned , bertuzzi, mantha etc... Were stacked upfront Stud goalie in mrazek We need to draft some solid d's this year and were set ... Futures bright man Might even consider dealing a Tatar or nyquist for a good young dman since we'd still have one left +sheahan pulkkinen jurco Forget strome ... Get me some d's 2 number9 and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 Strome schmome Last few days on hockeysfuture axel holmstrom and now dylan larkin are top news ... Athanasiou as you mentioned , bertuzzi, mantha etc... Were stacked upfront Stud goalie in mrazek We need to draft some solid d's this year and were set ... Futures bright man Might even consider dealing a Tatar or nyquist for a good young dman since we'd still have one left +sheahan pulkkinen jurco Forget strome ... Get me some d's There's also pretty much 0 chance we go after him anyway 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 12, 2015 I fully expect us to move back. How far? It of course changes the prospects available. If I was a betting man I would bet against us picking at 19. The only real question is do we trade our 1st for a lower 1st and a second or part of a package for a Dman? The next few days will be interesting..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 12, 2015 Pumpkin Escobar - I find it extremely hard to believe you would rather have AA over Dylan Strome... In 68 games, Strome led the OHL in scoring (45-84-129). Doing so in his draft year, playing on the 2nd line... (Mcdavid played on the 1st line with Remi Elie and Nicholas Baptiste). Do you understand how ridiculous that is? To compare: In AA's draft year, he had 37 points in 63 games. The Detroit Red Wings can and will draft another AA down the road, he is a decent prospect playing on a very good AHL team for a great coach. Unfortunately, we have a plethora of similar players in our system who may never amount to be more than 2nd line wingers or 3rd line centers... What we lack is an elite prospect who has the potential to be a franchise player. Babcock basically uttered these exact words in his last press conference as an employee of the Red Wings. Dylan Strome is that guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I agree WingedWheel91, and I would absolutely trade Athanasiou for Dylan Strome, in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, it would cost a hell of a lot more than just Andreas and our 19th overall pick to get Strome. Likely a lot more than I'd be willing to give up... But don't underestimate the player that AA has become. He was a bit of a late bloomer and was an absolute steal in the 4th round of the 2012 draft. If there was a 2012 re-draft done in a few years time, I would be shocked if AA wouldn't go in the first round... He is one of our top prospects, and probably the most complete prospect outside of Larkin. He is big, he hits, he's lightning fast, unbelievable hands, decent shot. It would take a lot for me to trade him, but yes, I absolutely would for a player like Dylan Strome. Anyway, there's zero chance we trade up to top 5, so it's really a moot point... We haven't drafted in the top 10 since 1991, and we're likely (hopefully) not going to for another long time. But I think we have a few potentially elite players up front (Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha), we have a potentially elite goalie (Mrazek), I think the only area we lack elite potential is on the back end. We have depth there, just not any future top pairing guys... Edited June 12, 2015 by krsmith17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 12, 2015 I agree and truthfully none of us know what it would actually take to get a deal done... But when I hear Don Maloney say they are potentially shopping the pick to trade down and acquire prospects, I think why not go all in? If Athanasiou, Mantha and the 19th pick can get it done - you probably just acquired a franchise center to replace Pavel Datsyuk one day. Consider that we acquired Anthanasiou with 110th pick in the draft, and we acquired Mantha with the 20th pick in the draft - yes they were great picks, but great draft picks are the core of this teams success, and will be replaced. It still probably wouldn't get a deal done, but I don't see any bottom 3 finishes in the near future for this team - so I would be exploring any avenue that leads to acquiring an 18-20 year old player with elite potential... Even if we have to overpay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted June 12, 2015 AA, Mantha, 19th pick for Strome...Yes I make that trade if I'm Kenny. Larkin, Mantha, 19th for Strome...No I do not make that trade if I'm Kenny. I think Maloney would want Larkin in any potential Strome trade. I just don't see Kenny making that trade. I'm psychic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted June 13, 2015 I think Larkin is being way over-rated around here, like Mantha last summer. Strome will almost certainly be far better, and Larkin, Mantha, and the 19 probably wouldn't get it done. I think when Maloney talks about trading the 3rd he's meaning an offer he can't refuse or something that includes a pick still in the top 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 13, 2015 Strome will be a top 4 pick, so 2 picks at around 20 and AA would only accomplish one thing Maloney hanging up the phone laughing. Larkin would have to be included and then add significantly from there which means one of Dekeyser, Tatar or Nyquist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted June 13, 2015 Pumpkin Escobar - I find it extremely hard to believe you would rather have AA over Dylan Strome... In 68 games, Strome led the OHL in scoring (45-84-129). Doing so in his draft year, playing on the 2nd line... (Mcdavid played on the 1st line with Remi Elie and Nicholas Baptiste). Do you understand how ridiculous that is? To compare: In AA's draft year, he had 37 points in 63 games. The Detroit Red Wings can and will draft another AA down the road, he is a decent prospect playing on a very good AHL team for a great coach. Unfortunately, we have a plethora of similar players in our system who may never amount to be more than 2nd line wingers or 3rd line centers... What we lack is an elite prospect who has the potential to be a franchise player. Babcock basically uttered these exact words in his last press conference as an employee of the Red Wings. Dylan Strome is that guy. He isn't coming here so it doesn't matter. I've seen plenty of Strome as well as AA both in person. I have a feeling Strome will be back in junior and AA will be pressing for playing time in Detroit at some point next season Pumpkin Escobar - I find it extremely hard to believe you would rather have AA over Dylan Strome... In 68 games, Strome led the OHL in scoring (45-84-129). Doing so in his draft year, playing on the 2nd line... (Mcdavid played on the 1st line with Remi Elie and Nicholas Baptiste). Do you understand how ridiculous that is? To compare: In AA's draft year, he had 37 points in 63 games. The Detroit Red Wings can and will draft another AA down the road, he is a decent prospect playing on a very good AHL team for a great coach. Unfortunately, we have a plethora of similar players in our system who may never amount to be more than 2nd line wingers or 3rd line centers... What we lack is an elite prospect who has the potential to be a franchise player. Babcock basically uttered these exact words in his last press conference as an employee of the Red Wings. Dylan Strome is that guy. Believe it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted June 13, 2015 What we lack is an elite prospect who has the potential to be a franchise player. To me, Dylan Larkin qualifies as an "elite prospect who has the potential to be a franchise player." I don't put much stock in Hockey'sFuture, but they feel he's the fifth best NHL prospect and the NHL prospect of the year, and I can't say I disagree with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted June 13, 2015 Keep Larkin, make a move for a great NHL defenseman, e.g. Dustin Byfuglien. I've spoken with some very knowledgeable Jets fans and they feel a 1st and a high-end forward prospect might be enought to land Byfuglien. (1st + Jurco/Pulkkinen + Smith?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
