So, Evander Kane...

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

On 8/4/2021 at 5:20 PM, BarkBurgerman said:

I've been in trouble with the law a few times and have a healthy aversion toward the police when dealing with them. But I also secretly wish I had been a cop. Having a gun everyday and the ability to wield and assert power over others seems awesome.

Probably good I didn't become a cop.

That's never a good reason to be a cop. Your motivation should be because you want to serve and protect your community. Cops like you are the ones who'd abuse their power and create the ACAB mentality.

I personally have never had any brushes with the law. Clean record. Not even a speeding ticket. Never even been pulled over. That said, all of the ones I have met were friendly, professional, respectable guys. Obviously I haven't met every cop or had run ins with bad ones, but I completely respect and appreciate the job they do.

 

[F.Michael 4,590]

14 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

That's never a good reason to be a cop. Your motivation should be because you want to serve and protect your community. Cops like you are the ones who'd abuse their power and create the ACAB mentality.

I personally have never had any brushes with the law. Clean record. Not even a speeding ticket. Never even been pulled over. That said, all of the ones I have met were friendly, professional, respectable guys. Obviously I haven't met every cop or had run ins with bad ones, but I completely respect and appreciate the job they do.

 

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

On 8/4/2021 at 4:20 PM, BarkBurgerman said:

I've been in trouble with the law a few times and have a healthy aversion toward the police when dealing with them. But I also secretly wish I had been a cop. Having a gun everyday and the ability to wield and assert power over others seems awesome.

Probably good I didn't become a cop.

 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

6 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

You're telling me that if you we're chasing a perp down a secluded back alley with no one else around, and it came to a dead-end and he surreneded... you wouldn't just blow him anyway? Just for the power trip? Just for the rush? 

No. And for you to even think to do that makes me glad you arent a cop.

 

5 hours ago, F.Michael said:

I dont get it.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

45 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

But it's not murder if you're cop

Tell that to the 104 cops, since 2005, charged with murder or manslaughter resulting from on duty incidents.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

2 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

>charged

Charged. If its not murder, there would be no charges.

[kipwinger 8,756]

[F.Michael 4,590]

58 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I highlighted charged because there's a big difference between being charged with a crime, and actually being convicted for it.

Not sure where you're pulling your stats from, but I see 139 cops charged with murder due to on duty incident since 2005. How many actually convicted for those murders? Seven.

Do you know what the conviction rate for a civilian murdering someone is? As of 2018 it was 70%. Yet the murder conviction rate for police officers is a lowly 5%...

But if that's not bad enough, lets go back to charges. We average about 1,000 fatal police shooting ever year. And we're right on track with a little over 500 this year already. That's roughly 16,500 people the cops have killed since 2005... we've only deemed 7 of those instances to be murder by cop. Therefore the police do nothing wrong, or at least aren't held accountable, in 99.9996% of fatal shootings... How on earth did our GED wielding, 6-months of training, storm troopers get this good? And we're not even digging into weapon discharges without a fatality...

I respect the job as much as the next guy, and it's a necessary profession for society to function, but this isn't Mayberry NC. The police are not your friends. They're government agents who's agenda runs counter to your personal interests in the vast majority of interactions you'll have with them. They knowingly and routinely violate constitutional rights. Entrap. Coerce. Lie. Bully. Extort. And when you do need them they're nearly useless.... And that's why the job sounds so enticing to me.

 

 

Now that you’re vaccinated the government can read your thoughts…

Edited August 8, 2021 by F.Michael

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

9 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I respect the job as much as the next guy, and it's a necessary profession for society to function, but this isn't Mayberry NC. The police are not your friends. They're government agents who's agenda runs counter to your personal interests in the vast majority of interactions you'll have with them. They knowingly and routinely violate constitutional rights. Entrap. Coerce. Lie. Bully. Extort. And when you do need them they're nearly useless.... And that's why the job sounds so enticing to me.

 

 

So they're politicians with a gun. Cool.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

9 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I highlighted charged because there's a big difference between being charged with a crime, and actually being convicted for it.

Not sure where you're pulling your stats from, but I see 139 cops charged with murder due to on duty incident since 2005. How many actually convicted for those murders? Seven.

Do you know what the conviction rate for a civilian murdering someone is? As of 2018 it was 70%. Yet the murder conviction rate for police officers is a lowly 5%...

But if that's not bad enough, lets go back to charges. We average about 1,000 fatal police shooting ever year. And we're right on track with a little over 500 this year already. That's roughly 16,500 people the cops have killed since 2005... we've only deemed 7 of those instances to be murder by cop. Therefore the police do nothing wrong, or at least aren't held accountable, in 99.9996% of fatal shootings... How on earth did our GED wielding, 6-months of training, storm troopers get this good? And we're not even digging into weapon discharges without a fatality...

I respect the job as much as the next guy, and it's a necessary profession for society to function, but this isn't Mayberry NC. The police are not your friends. They're government agents who's agenda runs counter to your personal interests in the vast majority of interactions you'll have with them. They knowingly and routinely violate constitutional rights. Entrap. Coerce. Lie. Bully. Extort. And when you do need them they're nearly useless.... And that's why the job sounds so enticing to me.

 

 

800,000 cops nationwide.

375,000,000 contacts with civilians annually.

1000 people killed by on duty police officers per year.

275 police officers killed in the line of duty in 2020.

Yeah. "Storm Troopers". 

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

23 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

800,000 cops nationwide.

375,000,000 contacts with civilians annually.

1000 people killed by on duty police officers per year.

275 police officers killed in the line of duty in 2020.

Yeah. "Storm Troopers". 

 

cops now have all their activity recorded.  Very little room for error.

[kipwinger 8,756]

14 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

cops now have all their activity recorded.  Very little room for error.

Thank god for cellphones. Everybody knows their body cameras always just happen to stop working right before they kill a black guy while he's handcuffed.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

4 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Thank god for cellphones. Everybody knows their body cameras always just happen to stop working right before they kill a black guy while he's handcuffed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tragic-sad-day-chicago-police-144854928.html

 

yup, it only goes one way.

[kipwinger 8,756]

1 minute ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tragic-sad-day-chicago-police-144854928.html

 

yup, it only goes one way.

Criminals, by virtue of being criminals, are under no obligation to follow the law and serve the public. Cops are, and too often don't. They're supposed to do the dangerous job they signed up for AND not be corrupt, authoritarian, sadists. It's not an either/or proposition.

Lots of Americans have dangerous jobs. Only cops seem to get a free pass to be murdering psychos because of it.

[marcaractac 3,963]

41 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Thank god for cellphones. Everybody knows their body cameras always just happen to stop working right before they kill a black guy while he's handcuffed.

Sad to think what they got away with before cell phones

[kipwinger 8,756]

24 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Sad to think what they got away with before cell phones

Spoiler Alert! It was murder. They literally got away with murder. F*ck those scumbags.

[marcaractac 3,963]

26 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Spoiler Alert! It was murder. They literally got away with murder. F*ck those scumbags.

I mean, some of them still do. Back then they just got to keep their jobs. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

you guys are high af

[marcaractac 3,963]

5 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

you guys are high af

Not until after work. Duh!

Edited August 9, 2021 by marcaractac

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

10 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

you guys are high af

something that might get you shot by a cop if you were black., indigenous,.........

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

27 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

 

Since you made it racial. Blacks = 13% of population, over 50% of violent crime. There's certainly a smorgasbord of socio-cultural and wealth disparity issues going on there. But I'd argue they need more policing in those communities, not less. The irony of their backlash against the police lately is that their already crime-ridden poor neighborhoods are just going to descend further into lawlessness and gangsterism the more they push the police out. Which will in turn drive out legitimate business, drop real estate prices, and they'll be poorer than when they first started.

It's like catching the flu and then blaming the doctor for getting you sick in the first place. It's not the doctors fault you got sick and he can't do much for the flu besides mask the symptoms with meds. The root of the problem here is you need to stop hanging out with symptomatic people, take care of your hygiene, hydrate, and take your vitamins. Things the black community has either neglected doing, or been unable to do, for a multitude of reasons for a while now.

I have a functionalists view of the police. Necessary evil. I certainly want them in my community. But I'm also not stupid enough to trust them. 

 

 

 

 

We're talking about murder cops murdering people. Last time I checked their wasn't much stink about white people getting shot by police. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

I'm not for cancelling law enforcement. But I am all for holding them accountable and ensuring proper, in-depth training. A psych evaluation probably wouldn't be the worst idea either. But the whole one glove fits all training they all receive clearly does not work. More specializations maybe? Obviously, I do not know the answer, but the current solution is broken af. 

I also think they are forced to deal with a lot of issues they aren't equipped to handle when it comes to domestic disputes and whatnot.

But yeah, people on the receiving end of a simple wellness check probably shouldn't end up shot and killed.   

[marcaractac 3,963]

13 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Not sure if you saw it, but like two weeks or so ago the cops shot and killed some old timer (white) cause he had a squirt gun in his hand. They were performing a wellness check.

But that story didn't make the front page of facebook cause the dude was white...

But I digress.

First time I was arrested I was 17. Was with a buddy of mine and my buddy flipped out cause he had to take the ACT (college placement test) in the morning, and couldn't afford to spend the night in jail, and he lamented to the cops about this. So I'm in the back of the cruiser on the way to the station and the officer asks me if I had to take the ACT in the morning as well. I said "nah I already took it". He says "how'd you do?". Told him I got a 30 (for reference at that time 36 was a perfect score and basically 23 and above would get you into a decent enough college). He says "lol when I took that I got a 15".

This is who the cops are. A 15 is basically retarded. But 6 months of training later and he has a gun and a license to kill. Good stuff.

The obvious solution to any job you demand a higher performance in is to pay them more. Attracts better people. Economics and s***.

 

While I have no doubt racism is an issue in law enforcement, I also have no doubt that there are white folks who get raw deals as well. 

In the end, it's too ******* easy to become a cop. That low bar leads to many people in the force that should not be there. Period. Whether it's racists or people on a power Trip who will hurt anyone. The current system is broken. 

I just feel bad for the genuine good cops. There are many of them out there. 

 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

11 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

The obvious solution to any job you demand a higher performance in is to pay them more. Attracts better people. Economics and s***.

 

Double-edged sword. Pay too well, and you get too many people doing it only for the money. That wouldnt get the intended results.I di

 

11 hours ago, marcaractac said:

While I have no doubt racism is an issue in law enforcement, I also have no doubt that there are white folks who get raw deals as well. 

In the end, it's too ******* easy to become a cop. That low bar leads to many people in the force that should not be there. Period. Whether it's racists or people on a power Trip who will hurt anyone. The current system is broken. 

I just feel bad for the genuine good cops. There are many of them out there. 

 

I disagree. Improvements can definitely be made, which takes more money, not less.

But I wouldnt call the system "broken" when you consider how rare Police involved shootings really are (despite the MSM narrative). Rule out the ones that are justified,  and I would argue that you actually have a lower incompetency rate among Police Officers than many other professions.

[marcaractac 3,963]

48 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I disagree. Improvements can definitely be made, which takes more money, not less.

But I wouldnt call the system "broken" when you consider how rare Police involved shootings really are (despite the MSM narrative). Rule out the ones that are justified,  and I would argue that you actually have a lower incompetency rate among Police Officers than many other professions.

Where did I mention anything about money?

But keep drinking the Kool Aid if you can't see the issues with the current system.