Pronger (contract) and Grossman to for Sam Gagner and conditional pick

[FifeHockeyNut 57]

Players on LTIR still count against the cap but allow their team to go over the cap by as much money as their cap hit, I believe.

So where's the benefit for Phoenix? They need to reach salary floor.

[amato 3,210]

So where's the benefit for Phoenix? They need to reach salary floor.

He still counts against the cap and raises the cap ceiling, not the floor as long as he's on LTIR. So, his cap hit is about $5 million.. That 5 million will count against their cap (& help them reach the floor) but with him on LTIR they'll be permitted to spend up to 5 million over the cap (76.4 million) instead of having to stop at the 71.4 where the cap ceiling is set.

Or they could allow him to retire and be stuck with those cap penalties but that just seems dumb.

Edited June 29, 2015 by amato

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

So where's the benefit for Phoenix? They need to reach salary floor.

They spend $525,000 a year (Pronger's current salary) but get to count the AAV of his full contract, which is $4.9 million, towards their cap.

So it saves them money and helps them get to the cap floor.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Grossman is an interesting pickup for the 'Yotes.

Anyone know if they're set to make more additions to the blueline via free agency?

Edited June 29, 2015 by Bring Back The Bruise Bros

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

People talk about Pronger, but am I the only one who's forgotten that Gagne still plays in the NHL?

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

People talk about Pronger, but am I the only one who's forgotten that Gagne still plays in the NHL?

You mean Sam Gagner?

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

You mean Sam Gagner?

You're right. I misread the title. Although, it doesn't spell Gagner correctly. I got the two confused. Simon Gagne vs. Sam Gagner. LOL.

[amato 3,210]

So will pronger make history and be the first player to get traded and announced to the hall of fame in the same off season?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

You're right. I misread the title. Although, it doesn't spell Gagner correctly. I got the two confused. Simon Gagne vs. Sam Gagner. LOL.

fixed.

This article gives a good breakdown of the financial impact for both teams in the Pronger trade.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/making-sense-of-the-pronger-to-coyotes-trade/

[amato 3,210]

fixed.

This article gives a good breakdown of the financial impact for both teams in the Pronger trade.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/making-sense-of-the-pronger-to-coyotes-trade/

Ah gotcha. I forgot prongers deal was of the front loaded variety.

[FifeHockeyNut 57]

They spend $525,000 a year (Pronger's current salary) but get to count the AAV of his full contract, which is $4.9 million, towards their cap.

So it saves them money and helps them get to the cap floor.

Thanks, is this a deal that exists because he's employed by the league?

[e_prime 1,936]

Grossman is an interesting pickup for the 'Yotes.

Anyone know if they're set to make more additions to the blueline via free agency?

Only ones that will help them get to the cap floor... not ones that are going to help them win games.

Hmmm. Kindl?

[Rivalred 630]

Can someone photoshop Pronger in a Yotes jersey?

Edited June 29, 2015 by Rivalred

[amato 3,210]

Can someone photoshop Pronger in a Yotes jersey?

Gimme until after work tomorrow

[Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55]

I still don't understand how Pronger can be inducted to the HOF before being technically retired. He could still play hockey this season and be in the HOF at the same time.

Edited June 30, 2015 by Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot)

[Buppy 1,720]

I still don't understand how Pronger can be inducted to the HOF before being technically retired. He could still play hockey this season and be in the HOF at the same time.

Technically Lidstrom could un-retire and play this year.

Technicalities aside, Pronger is retired. Has been since the injury. The problem should not be with his HHOF eligibility, but with the ongoing circumvention of the 35+ clause.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Thanks, is this a deal that exists because he's employed by the league?

Honestly any sort of biased interest the league has in allowing this cap circumvention probably has more to do with the Coyotes than Pronger.

My theory on him being allowed to be employed by the league while still a player, however, is that probably somewhere in his NHL employment contract there is a clause about not suing the league for things that occurred during his playing career, say for example post concussion syndrome. Better to have Chris Pronger under the umbrella of the NHL than to have a formerly feared defenseman hobble into a court room talking about how he can't play with his kids anymore.

I think it was Steve Moore who had his disability payments withheld by the NHL because he wouldn't agree to their standard clause to waive any litigation against the NHL or its franchises.

[Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55]

Technically Lidstrom could un-retire and play this year.

Technicalities aside, Pronger is retired. Has been since the injury. The problem should not be with his HHOF eligibility, but with the ongoing circumvention of the 35+ clause.

But Lidstrom isn't currently under contract. Completely different situation.

What bothers me is that you have to be retired, for what.. 3 years? Before you are eligible for the HHOF. He is absolutely not retired in any shape or form.

Edited June 30, 2015 by Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot)

[wings87 1,290]

Thought I'd drop this in here. Since this is the de facto Coyotes suck thread.

Coyotes fan lambastes Mayor.

Same fan tasers Mayor for charity.

P.S. Other then the Coyotes jersey, anyone else think this might be BottleofSmoke?

Edited July 19, 2015 by wings87

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Thought I'd drop this in here. Since this is the de facto Coyotes suck thread.

Coyotes fan lambastes Mayor.

https://youtu.be/_UfOfAvNVJU

Same fan tasers Mayor for charity.

https://youtu.be/_UfOfAvNVJU

P.S. Other then the Coyotes jersey, anyone else think this might be BottleofSmoke?

I hope so buddy. But if bos got to tazer her mayor, wed still be patting butts.

Here's the link for the tazering, BTW.

https://youtu.be/ZTaT5TQ9S14

Also.

So this YouTube link posting/embedding problem is my fault.

Chrome is gonna play that way, Cuz I won't update it?

Really googs.

Really?

One more also.

Did she do a mic drop hand signal as she was walking out?

Edited July 19, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[wings87 1,290]

I hope so buddy. But if bos got to tazer her mayor, wed still be patting butts.

Here's the link for the tazering, BTW.

https://youtu.be/ZTaT5TQ9S14

Also.

So this YouTube link posting/embedding problem is my fault.

Chrome is gonna play that way, Cuz I won't update it?

Really googs.

Really?

One more also.

Did she do a mic drop hand signal as she was walking out?

I guess I posted the same link twice, don't know how that happened. Anyway.

And yes it was a "mic drop". *shakes head*

In fact "taser, taser, taser" should be the Coyotes new rally chant.

Edited July 19, 2015 by wings87

[toby91_ca 620]

Due to the bump, I read some of the earlier comments in this thread, specifically with the issues around Pronger being eligible for the HHOF even though he isn't "technically" retired.

To be clear, retirement is not part of the eligibility criteria. The actual requirement is as follows: "Must not have played a game in a professional or international hockey game during any of the three (3) playing seasons prior to his or her election."

[wings87 1,290]

Due to the bump, I read some of the earlier comments in this thread, specifically with the issues around Pronger being eligible for the HHOF even though he isn't "technically" retired.

To be clear, retirement is not part of the eligibility criteria. The actual requirement is as follows: "Must not have played a game in a professional or international hockey game during any of the three (3) playing seasons prior to his or her election."

Her? Did you add that in? Or is the NHL trying to be overly politically correct?

[toby91_ca 620]

Umm...no....didn't add the "her"...there are already 3 women (players) in the HHOF and a 4th to be added later this year.

Edit: also, the NHL doesn't run the HHOF.

Edited July 20, 2015 by toby91_ca

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

I swear it wasn't me. I would have totally posted about it.