jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 What? I took the position that no one knows what the facts are, and our personal bias will in the meantime fill in the blanks as to what we 'think' happened. That is called having an open mind before the actual trial starts where they present the facts. It seems that you have already assumed Kane is guilty, and that anything anyone says contrary is messed up to you. That, my friend is your bias, and exactly what I am referring to. Go back and look through what I said.Did I state my position, or post what facts have came through? I'll wait. I didn't say a damn thing for you to suggest that my bias' has filled in any blanks as to my position on the subject, and furthermore, you calling me out on an opinion(that I never took) after using your own bias is kind of insane. And I asked you a question, didn't question your motives, or your take on the case, so I'd appreciate you not assigning an opinion to me about something so sickening as if it were a trivial matter. I didn't state my opinion for the reason that this isn't something to take lightly, or speculate about especially given the fact that has come out. 2 roboginger and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Imagine if you reported a physical assault, as in, a physical beating you received. Now imagine everyone assuming you're lying about it because earlier in the night you'd been seen drinking beer with the guy who later beat you. Seem crazy? That's because it is. NOTHING that happened at the bar earlier in the night precludes Patrick Kane from having committed a crime after they went back to his house. Nothing. Attempts to explain way the seriousness of the allegation based on something that was happening hours earlier are completely nuts. By that rationale a man couldn't rape his wife because she's probably agree to have sex with him at some point in the past. Edited September 22, 2015 by kipwinger 1 Gordie Howe hat trick reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 And we're back to why the first thread was locked. Stick to facts about the case and how this case is affecting hockey. That's it. 2 Hockeymom1960 and roboginger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LAWings 160 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 Not cool mods, if you're going to delete my comments and make me look like the bad guy here, then delete all the comments. I responded civily and respectfully, if you delete my comments, then they all must go. 2 F.Michael and roboginger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 Did you mean to say "should go"? Everything off topic after my post was deleted. Everything. I'm not going to constantly clean up threads. If it can't be kept on topic, it will be locked. This is not directed at you personally, but to all who replied after my post. The discussion needs to be taken to PMs after that, as should any and all helpful hints to mods about threads. They don't belong in general discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 I read the same article in the Buffalo news... http://www.buffalonews.com/feed/new-details-emerge-in-allegations-against-nhl-star-patrick-kane-20150809 This is an old report, something that is all speculation on the part of the bartender making the claims, having no idea who it is that is making the accusation. The bigger problem is there apparently is no evidence of Kane's DNA below her waist, which could be very problematic for her case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 This is an old report, something that is all speculation on the part of the bartender making the claims, having no idea who it is that is making the accusation. The bigger problem is there apparently is no evidence of Kane's DNA below her waist, which could be very problematic for her case. Ol Patty couldn't finish the deed eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted September 22, 2015 Ol Patty couldn't finish the deed eh? That's including skin, hair, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Scott Levin ✔@ScottLevinWGRZ CONFIRMED: Lawyers for alleged #patrickkane rape victim will hold a news conference Wed at 1pm Cornell Mansion @wgrz 9:10 PM - 22 Sep 2015 292292 Retweets 119119 favorites Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 And the circus continues Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 I know they said the point of this was explaining all the leaked information, but I dont get this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Probably a strategic decision in response to the fact that Patrick Kane is actively giving interviews and discussing the case. Not good for the potential outcome of your case if the alleged perpetrator of the crime is on every TV in the country saying he didn't do it, and you don't respond at all. 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Settlement announcement? That could be the reason why the NHL let him attend training camp, rather than going the Voynov route. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Attorney claims rape kit was tampered with, delivered anonymously to alleged victim's mother. He's calling for an independent investigation by a different branch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Dude's a rapist I have no doubt now... He should at least be suspended in definitely or even be in jail. The whole presser today was horrifying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) I...don't even know what to say. So the rape kit was ripped open and *placed at the doorstep of the alleged victim's MOTHER*???? This is some SVU intimidation tactic s*** right here. I hope heads. *******. roll. Kind of hard to look innocent when you've got goons doing s*** like this... Horrifying. Edit: just read tweets referring to the lawyer calling the person that left the bag a "good samaritan." Whistleblower on chain of evidence violation? This is an absolute trip, man. Edited September 23, 2015 by BottleOfSmoke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Can someone elaborate? What does the victims mother have to do with the rape kit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Chris Johnston Verified account @reporterchris 2m2 minutes ago NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly says Patrick Kane's playing status remains unchanged. He's still in camp with the #blackhawks. NHL is a joke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan13 44 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Can someone elaborate? What does the victims mother have to do with the rape kit? It was delivered to her front door. The way I look at it is that someone has a conscious and knows it was tampered with. Delivering it to her door is someones way of telling them that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 The fact that evidence of an ongoing criminal investigation could be removed from custody and "delivered" to one of the parties in the dispute is troubling enough. That's just really, really, bad. Probably not for Kane. I mean, it's doubtful he tampered with anything. But simply put, you should be allowed to leave evidence of a crime on ANYBODY's doorstep. How that is possible is beyond me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 first thing they have to do is go to the hospital security cameras.... wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 I cannot believe the NHL is allowing this guy to play right now. They should probably start circling the wagons pretty soon. This is poor brand management at the very least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 The League has every right to suspend him pending an investigation. It's in the CBA. The one that the toothless NHLPA agreed to. What are they going to do, throw a fit about it and lose to Bettman like they always do? The NHL isn't a court of law. They don't have to be objective. If he's bad for business, they can suspend him whether he's been found guilty or not. 1 Jesusberg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 As of 2:15pm today, his player status is unchanged per Daly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted September 23, 2015 Attorney claims rape kit was tampered with, delivered anonymously to alleged victim's mother. He's calling for an independent investigation by a different branch. This whole thing reeks of a cover-up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites