Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 It looks like he he got hit pretty hard...nobody disputes that. I think he was pissed because he thought it was a bad hit and should have been called. It seems to me that he skated right towards the linesman and hit him intentionally. He then, easily, avoids the player with the puck. Screw Wideman...that linesman doesn't expect to be hit from behind, or to be even bumped that far away from the play. It wouldn't upset me in the least bit if they called it assault and kicked him out of the league. I'm sure that won't happen, but I'd be okay if it did. He could have seriously injured an on ice official. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheXym 2,606 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) I have to say the extension of his arms after the hit, coupled by his avoiding of the player, and there being no following of the concussion protocol are definitely factors that make me think it was intentional. If he was "woozy" then the lack of following the concussion protocol is another big, but separate, issue. That linesman had no idea he was going to be hit, and no expectation of being hit. While I may have a less than favorable opinion of certain officials, I would hate to see anyone, even Halloran, blindsided like that. Yes, I know I have spewed venom at Halloran in some GDT's (blown calls of a chronic nature will get me going since I loathe incompetence or bias). The league has to suspend Wideman otherwise it could become open season on officials. The suspension rule is there for a reason. They need to protect their officials. There are other ways to handle anger with the officials. I remember Chelios towards the end of his career sending a slapshot towards a ref... Nowhere near actually hitting him, but enough to get his point across. I thought that was about as far as it should ever go. When the Wideman hit was on THN at first, there was also a vid of Lucic punching at a player and catching the linesman in the face. I would not be surprised if that was "accidentally on purpose" by Lucic based on his dirty play in the past. I think the optics of the Wideman hit overshadowed this incident in a big way. Does anyone know how the linesman who was hit is doing? I thought I had read somewhere he was having post concussion symptoms. Edited January 30, 2016 by TheXym 1 NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) I have to say the extension of his arms after the hit, coupled by his avoiding of the player, and there being no following of the concussion protocol are definitely factors that make me think it was intentional. If he was "woozy" then the lack of following the concussion protocol is another big, but separate, issue. That linesman had no idea he was going to be hit, and no expectation of being hit. While I may have a less than favorable opinion of certain officials, I would hate to see anyone, even Halloran, blindsided like that. Yes, I know I have spewed venom at Halloran in some GDT's (blown calls of a chronic nature will get me going since I loathe incompetence or bias). The league has to suspend Wideman otherwise it could become open season on officials. The suspension rule is there for a reason. They need to protect their officials. There are other ways to handle anger with the officials. I remember Chelios towards the end of his career sending a slapshot towards a ref... Nowhere near actually hitting him, but enough to get his point across. I thought that was about as far as it should ever go. When the Wideman hit was on THN at first, there was also a vid of Lucic punching at a player and catching the linesman in the face. I would not be surprised if that was "accidentally on purpose" by Lucic based on his dirty play in the past. I think the optics of the Wideman hit overshadowed this incident in a big way. Does anyone know how the linesman who was hit is doing? I thought I had read somewhere he was having post concussion symptoms. Really good point, the Lucic punch got completely overlooked. Edited January 30, 2016 by NerveDamage 1 TheXym reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheXym 2,606 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 Thanks for posting the vid, Nerve. Watching it again, I definitely think he meant to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 I guess I'm just confused as to what makes those thinking he should be suspended a lynch mob? Because if we want him suspended, we're lumped in the anti-violence/anti-fighting in hockey crue... Not that fighting between players on the ice and crosschecking a linesman have any correlation what-so-ever. ...but even more to the point, isn't that counter-intuitive? If we're all pacifists and we want him justice through suspension... why would we form a inherently violent, vigilante type of operation with torches, pitchforks, etc (aka a lynch mob) to go after Wideman? #justsayin' 2 jimmyemeryhunter and NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 I don't think the question should be whether he tried to do it or not. It's obvious he did. The question is whether or not he realized it was an official, which I highly doubt he did. Seems like an honest mistake on his part that could have happened to any. But he is still responsible for his actions and will have to deal with whatever consequences come from this. 1 NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 I don't think the question should be whether he tried to do it or not. It's obvious he did. The question is whether or not he realized it was an official, which I highly doubt he did. Seems like an honest mistake on his part that could have happened to any. But he is still responsible for his actions and will have to deal with whatever consequences come from this. Hitting another player like that wouldn't have been any better. 1 NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 Hitting another player like that wouldn't have been any better. Not saying it would have been. But the only reason anyone is talking about it is because it was a linesman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted January 30, 2016 Hitting another player like that wouldn't have been any better.It kind of would be though.Refs are completely untouchable, as they should be, the standard suspension for hitting a ref is higher than hitting a player on the other team. Which is why this hit is as big of a deal as it is. Had he hit a player like that, he may get a 2 minute penalty for cross checking, but it's not something you look at as a suspendable hit. Since it was a ref, it is something you look at, because completely intentional or not, the refs have to be protected from getting hurt. 2 NerveDamage and TheXym reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami 273 Report post Posted January 31, 2016 So the NHL is going to have a hearing on Tuesday to review the case of Dennis Wideman cross-checking linesman Don Henderson. ... My first reaction: it should've been Dan O'Halloran instead. My second reaction: damn! Refs are completely untouchable, as they should be, the standard suspension for hitting a ref is higher than hitting a player on the other team. Which is why this hit is as big of a deal as it is. ... In NHL it very much depends. I remember an accident when a certain Penguin cross-checked referee and got away with it just fine. 1 TheXym reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted January 31, 2016 In NHL it very much depends. I remember an accident when a certain Penguin cross-checked referee and got away with it just fine.Was it James neal?Ha. Or crosby? The penguins were immune to certain punishments because the nhl had to revive that damn team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami 273 Report post Posted January 31, 2016 Was it James neal? Ha. Or crosby? The penguins were immune to certain punishments because the nhl had to revive that damn team. No, it was Letang. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Wideman was suspended 20 games couple days ago. Explanation video link is below. https://www.nhl.com/news/dennis-wideman-suspended/c-278258934 Edited February 6, 2016 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted February 6, 2016 And the NHLPA entered an appeal about 20 seconds after the decision was rendered. This could get interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted February 6, 2016 And the NHLPA entered an appeal about 20 seconds after the decision was rendered. This could get interesting. As trhey should, if he was really concussed this needs to be lowered 20 games is just insane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted February 6, 2016 He may be concussed, but they didn't check him out until after the game, did they not? I know it wasn't right away, as is protocol. It's all a little convenient to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) As trhey should, if he was really concussed this needs to be lowered 20 games is just insane.If he was conussed at the time he should have left the game. The trainers told him to go to dressing room and he refused. He didnt play his cards right Imo. Thats probably the biggest argument against his case. Edited February 6, 2016 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted February 7, 2016 If he was conussed at the time he should have left the game. The trainers told him to go to dressing room and he refused. He didnt play his cards right Imo. Thats probably the biggest argument against his case.according to the concussion protocol this should not have been his decision because the team doctors are deciding over concussions and the quiet rooms.So if that all is true Calgary hasn't followed the protocol and Wiseman was likely mentally out of it, So this could end in different ways. But yeah the story is weird but my point stands 20 games is a lot of time and money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted February 7, 2016 As trhey should, if he was really concussed this needs to be lowered 20 games is just insane. If he was really concussed, he should have gone through the concussion protocol. Either he is liable for assault on an on ice official, or his organization is liable for endangering his health and well being. The league being what it is today, I don't think there was any indication of concussion symptoms or even the need to follow through with the protocol. That leaves Wideman blowing in the wind. I think you can get 20 games for spitting on a ref (I could be wrong), so I was hoping for 40. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted February 7, 2016 If he was really concussed, he should have gone through the concussion protocol. Either he is liable for assault on an on ice official, or his organization is liable for endangering his health and well being. The league being what it is today, I don't think there was any indication of concussion symptoms or even the need to follow through with the protocol. That leaves Wideman blowing in the wind. I think you can get 20 games for spitting on a ref (I could be wrong), so I was hoping for 40. Really? I think that's a bit much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Appealing will either not work or probably screw Calgary over. Someone's taking responsibility for that ref taking the hit + Wideman finishing the game without health protocol. It's either Wideman or the team. Or both. Edited February 7, 2016 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 Really? I think that's a bit much Really. I was hoping for 40. I think the fact that the linesman wasn't injures is a miracle of so sort. Players get get from less than that hit. That red had no expectation of being hit like that. I was hoping for 40 but would not have complained had he been kicked out of the league. 1 Barrie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Wideman better not win an appeal, or else it'll be open season on the officials. Other players will take out their frustrations on them and say, "Oh, I was concussed". Expect the Union that represents the officials backlash if Wideman wins an appeal. I thought he should have miss the rest of the season. Really. I was hoping for 40. I think the fact that the linesman wasn't injures is a miracle of so sort. Players get get from less than that hit. That red had no expectation of being hit like that. I was hoping for 40 but would not have complained had he been kicked out of the league. I agree, I don't care if Wideman was concussed or not, there's no excuse to hit an official. Edited February 10, 2016 by Barrie 1 Opie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 10, 2016 If he didn't extend his arms in a cross check manner, or avoid an opposing player right after hitting the ref, I can see the "He was concussed" debate. But his actions tell me he was pissed there was no call on the play and took it out on the first Zebra he saw. 3 twopups, Barrie and NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted February 11, 2016 Guy got what he deserved. It wasn't a "mistake"..he goes right after the ref, whacks him good, then turns right after that to avoid the oncoming player. Not that it really matters to him i'm sure, but hope he enjoys his unpaid vacation and losing almost $600,000. 1 twopups reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites