What would you do if you were GM

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

4 hours ago, frankgrimes said:

seems like the Matthews hysteria wasn't just Toronto that kid is impressive

It's cause hes American.

[Fedorovfan 25]

If I was Holland I would stop dancing and flat out say "We are going into a rebuild. We think we have some nice players and our focus is now on finding pieces & parts to fit around them."

 

Not many fans want to hear it. It takes 4-6 years. But, heading into a new arena with this team would be a HUGE mistake!

[AtlantaHotWings 1,126]

Interesting l believe they showed a stat that Toronto had 10 rookies on the roster PLAYING EVERY NIGHT. So maybe this concept of overripe in GR is sooo stuck in Kenny's head he wont part with the vets?

If Mike "tie goes to the vet" Babcock is playing that many rookies something is the air not to mention they absolutely crushed us at home. Man I remember when Wings at home was pretty much a victory or minimally a "give a sheet moment" I don't know if it's lack of talent, a splintered locker room, coach over his head, but geeze Louise they seem to skate in quicksand.

 

Regretting paying serious money to come back for next Friday's game but at least I have Bronners to look forward to on Saturday! 

[LeftWinger 5,133]

What I do now as GM? Blow it up!

I keep, Z, Larkin, AA, Mantha, Nielsen and re-sign Vanek. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE else is available.  I looked at the expansion draft tool and I seriously cannot choose 7 forwards that I want to protect! Even if you look at my list, with Larkin exempt, I only have 4.

I'm to the point, and it hurts me to say this, but I'd even trade Mrazek right now. It's also pretty sad when your best defensemen are Sproul, XO and Jensen. I'm mean its not sad that they are good, it's just that they are pretty much rookies. I don't know what the hell happened to DD. I'd say he contracted to "big contract" disease, but he was regression last year too. He's just been awful. Is Mrazek bad this year because of the D? I don't know, but like I said, I am at the point to where I am listening to offers for him.

1 hour ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Interesting l believe they showed a stat that Toronto had 10 rookies on the roster PLAYING EVERY NIGHT. So maybe this concept of overripe in GR is sooo stuck in Kenny's head he wont part with the vets?

If Mike "tie goes to the vet" Babcock is playing that many rookies something is the air not to mention they absolutely crushed us at home. Man I remember when Wings at home was pretty much a victory or minimally a "give a sheet moment" I don't know if it's lack of talent, a splintered locker room, coach over his head, but geeze Louise they seem to skate in quicksand.

 

Regretting paying serious money to come back for next Friday's game but at least I have Bronners to look forward to on Saturday! 

I'm think it is more Ken "tie goes to the vet" Holland. That's why Babcock left maybe. Still though, Blashill is garbage. I don't get how you can take your two best scorers and demote them to the bottom 6. PLUS your best line combo of 72-51-62 didn't see any ice together last night...and wasn't it just last couple of weeks that everyone was saying how much Z and Mantha play great together? Ok, lets put Mantha on the 4th line then...

BTW, I'd sell the tickets and enjoy other better things around Michigan.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

this team is so preoccupied with making the playoffs they keep over playing the veterans and dont realize feeding mantha athanasiou and larkin more ice time is what gives us a better chance 

at one point in the game i saw mantha playing with miller and glendening for f***s sake, this coach is so clueless ... and he kept praising jurco and he had like 6 minutes of ice after 2 periods, at this point i just feel bad for the guy and just trade him , he needs to get away from blashill 

 

firing blashill is something id do but we all know it wont happen , he has no idea how to use his guys , sheahan has 0 goals but he doesnt sit a few games and get his ass kicked , ericsson is ateocious game after game and a kid like sproul who we can use on a powerplay still sitting down and regressing

 

anyways with trade deadline coming ..... 

trade ericsson(no way hes worthy to have played a full career with one team)

trade brendan smith , we have an overflow of dmen and hes a ufa , have to save spots for other guys 

 

trade ott and possibly vanek depending our position and the return 

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by nyqvististhefuture
Mistakes

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Holland will stand pat and put the team behind. Rebuild is a dirty word

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[BinMucker94 302]

28 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

What I do now as GM? Blow it up!

I keep, Z, Larkin, AA, Mantha, Nielsen and re-sign Vanek. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE else is available.  I looked at the expansion draft tool and I seriously cannot choose 7 forwards that I want to protect! Even if you look at my list, with Larkin exempt, I only have 4.

I think if you're blowing it up you have to entertain the idea of trading Vanek. He is our best player and could bring in the best pieces to get this team going again. I wouldn't, but some might even entertain the idea of trading Z. He's a good leader for the young guys but he could also probably bring in some decent assets.

[LeftWinger 5,133]

Seriously, everybody outside of the 5 I listed are in play.  I like Jensen, Sproul and XO, but for the right deal, I'd include them as well.

Some folks say we are just bashing the coach, but seriously, in an OT game against a division rival whom you also happen to be fighting for a playoff spot, you start Helm, Abby and DD...followed up by Z, Nyquist, Green.  With all due respect to Z and Green.  Here is what your OT lines should look like, barring injury:

Vanek - Nielsen - Green

Mantha - Z - Jensen

AA - Larkin - Green

Then if needed:

Tatar - Helm - XO

Never, EVER, EVER should anyone else see 3 on 3 OT.

5 minutes ago, BinMucker94 said:

I think if you're blowing it up you have to entertain the idea of trading Vanek. He is our best player and could bring in the best pieces to get this team going again. I wouldn't, but some might even entertain the idea of trading Z. He's a good leader for the young guys but he could also probably bring in some decent assets.

Well, I keep him because he IS our best player, and if we are blowing up the rest, I may as well keep my best players.  I understand the draft pick thing, but I don't need that draft pick (#29 or #30 probably) and if I am entertaining the idea of trading Vanek, I am getting a higher end prospect in return.

[kliq 3,763]

Illitch will never go for that.MAYBE he'll be able to trade Vanek and Smith, but a complete blow-up will never happen.

[LeftWinger 5,133]

If it proves too expensive to try and acquire Trouba/Hamilton then if I can shed some dead weight off the back end, I go hard for Shattenkirk. He's already said he'd like to be traded here (one on his list) so there's a chance he'd ink a deal come July if we offer enough cash. Then next off season, once Green's contract is gone, I  all in on Fowler. Honestly though, both Winnipeg and Anaheim are up against a wall come expansion draft, its almost a guarantee they'd lose one of their talented defensemen, they can only protect 3 each and respectively they to choose from:

Anaheim:

Bieska (NMC) has to be protected unless he agrees to waive it...

Fowler

Lindholm

Vatanen

Winnipeg:

Byfuglien (NMC)

Enstrom (NMC)

Trouba

Myers

 

Either team may choose to move a non-NMC before the expansion so they get some sort of return, so prices may drop a bit. I would thin Vegas would take any of those 5...I would.

[LeftWinger 5,133]

18 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Zetterberg is awful in 3 on 3

Only when he stays out there for 2 minutes. He was making good line changes against Boston.

[Wingnut1989 165]

Holland needs to step down, i don't want him around for a rebuild to be honest. He's had his time

 

Id make some moves with winnipeg jets, they got alot of good dmen im sure theyd give up one for the right deal.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Wingnut1989

[kliq 3,763]

16 minutes ago, Wingnut1989 said:

Holland needs to step down, i don't want him around for a rebuild to be honest. He's had his time

 

Id make some moves with winnipeg jets, they got alot of good dmen im sure theyd give up one for the right deal.

When Trouba was on the trade market, word was they wanted Larkin as the starting point.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

If you're blowing it up trading Vanek is the first thing you do.

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[Wingnut1989 165]

Biggest problem i see with this team is under-performing and inconsistency which probably comes down to coaching and leadership. I believe this team could make the playoffs with a better blue line presence(Byfuglien,Weber,Hedman,Subban,Burns) however i dont see that happening as teams would be crazy to move them without equal or better in return. 

[frankgrimes 1,836]

1 hour ago, Wingnut1989 said:

Holland needs to step down, i don't want him around for a rebuild to be honest. He's had his time

 

Id make some moves with winnipeg jets, they got alot of good dmen im sure theyd give up one for the right deal.

 

I think the whole organization (top to bottom) needs an overhaul, it seems like some guys have become complacent and are just fine with going through the motions just like the team on the ice. I would gladly give some like Don Maloney a chance guy has done a fantastic job with a fraction of the Wings budget and Phoenix while also dealing with constant relocation talks. If they fire Tippet or Julien is let go by the Bruins bringing one of those guys or even better both in would be awesome and a good start to the rebuild.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

[kliq 3,763]

1 hour ago, frankgrimes said:

 

I think the whole organization (top to bottom) needs an overhaul, it seems like some guys have become complacent and are just fine with going through the motions just like the team on the ice. I would gladly give some like Don Maloney a chance guy has done a fantastic job with a fraction of the Wings budget and Phoenix while also dealing with constant relocation talks. If they fire Tippet or Julien is let go by the Bruins bringing one of those guys or even better both in would be awesome and a good start to the rebuild.

This is often said about the Lions and the Ford family, are you saying that you want Ilitch out of the equation?

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2017/01/red_wings_have_several_potenti.html

Good read from Ansar about our trade options going into February

About Nyquist:

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his actual salary increases to $5.25 million and $5.5 million in each of the next two seasons, when he has a full no-trade clause. If the Red Wings are going to trade him, they'll need to act before then. The Chicago Blackhawks and St. Louis Blues have shown interest.

 Did not know this. TRADE HIM NOW.

About Tatar:

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He's been bothered by a shoulder injury that might require off-season surgery. The Blackhawks have also shown interest in him.

Had no idea he was dealing with an injury

He goes on to say that Jurco and Mrazek basically have no trade value at the moment. Even says Red Wings may protect Coreau over Mrazek at the expansion draft. Hopefully if we sell some pieces Jurco can at least get some time in the lineup.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

19 hours ago, kliq said:

This is often said about the Lions and the Ford family, are you saying that you want Ilitch out of the equation?

Sorry for the late reply. No, I want Illitch to hire an external person who has full authority to evaluate the Wings organization (front office, scouts, trainers, assistant GMs, players... ) you name it and then at the end of the season just like Nichelson and Shanahan did make the neccessary recommendations to ownership.

The glowing shine of the new arena will quickly wear of if this team sucks this bad again and doesn't have a young star with elite potential in the lineup. Of course finding the McDavid's (at best eevery 10 years or so), Eichel's and Matthews' of the world is hard to do but the Wings had the chance to increase their odds in each of those drafts they didn't because of hanging on by a fingernail to the streak. I don't know much about Arizona as a city but damn they must have a really good hockey program down there, kid is impressive. Now that they're bad people can't cry about this being a draft without superstars, the Wings are bad now and they need the best possible help they can get and that's Nolan from all I've read. My biggest problem is, I don't trust the current frontoffice when it comes to building for the future and doing whats right in order to increase the chance at someone like Nolan but firing them now doesn't fix anything so an external person might be the best option.

Of course this thread is about what I would do as a GM but to me this has to involve ownership too. It's nice to see that some very respected experts are also changing their tune and bringing up the whole rebuild thing. Whatever happens it the trade deadline will be very telling, at this point the Wings can't afford to stand pat and they can't afford to be buyers so the only option is to sell a lot finally.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, frankgrimes said:

Sorry for the late reply. No, I want Illitch to hire an external person who has full authority to evaluate the Wings organization (front office, scouts, trainers, assistant GMs, players... ) you name it and then at the end of the season just like Nichelson and Shanahan did make the neccessary recommendations to ownership.

The glowing shine of the new arena will quickly wear of if this team sucks this bad again and doesn't have a young star with elite potential in the lineup. Of course finding the McDavid's (at best eevery 10 years or so), Eichel's and Matthews' of the world is hard to do but the Wings had the chance to increase their odds in each of those drafts they didn't because of hanging on by a fingernail to the streak. I don't know much about Arizona as a city but damn they must have a really good hockey program down there, kid is impressive. Now that they're bad people can't cry about this being a draft without superstars, the Wings are bad now and they need the best possible help they can get and that's Nolan from all I've read. My biggest problem is, I don't trust the current frontoffice when it comes to building for the future and doing whats right in order to increase the chance at someone like Nolan but firing them now doesn't fix anything so an external person might be the best option.

Of course this thread is about what I would do as a GM but to me this has to involve ownership too. It's nice to see that some very respected experts are also changing their tune and bringing up the whole rebuild thing. Whatever happens it the trade deadline will be very telling, at this point the Wings can't afford to stand pat and they can't afford to be buyers so the only option is to sell a lot finally.

Arizona is a state