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16 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

If Holland tries to extend Vanek, his best trading chip to help the team beyond this season, he is an idiot. If he tries to trade Jurco when his value is at an all time low, he is an idiot...

sadly i think jurco is as good as gone ,blashill bitched about how talented he was and we can all see how he dominated the ahl(yes im aware its a different league) but he never really gave him a shot , always tried to make him a 4th liner way before mantha showed up

 

should of given him a 10 game trial on the top 6 at least , sadly with all the forwards we have i think hes as good as gone ... if a team like chicago picked him up and put him on with a toews i think it could be greatly beneficial to them 

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29 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I understand what you're saying, but I am just not so sure either of the trades are out of the realm of possibility. I am all for throwing some extra out there for Fowler, in the LONG post I made in the GM thread I actually added Marchenko to our trade with Calgary or Anaheim that I'd like to see...maybe that sweetens it up some...

This isn't NHL 16 were quantity for quality might work. Think about it the other way, if Murray or Treliving came asking for Larkin would you accept your offer of a pure rental past 30, and a third pairing at best defenseman? No you wouldn't and neither are Murray or Treliving. If Anaheim wants Larkin damn sure I'm asking for Fowler or Lindholm in return.

The Wings had all summer and even more to make a trade for Fowler and yet Holland did nothing. Marchenko and company are the usual suspects you throw in in order to get more contracts flexibility but thats about it. Don't want to say goodbye to Larkin or Mantha? Well say goodbye to the likes of Fowler, Hamilton, Lindholm, Trouba ...then not exactly rocket science. Also Vanek would be a terrible fit for the Ducks they aren't a fast team they are big physical grind it out team that's not Vanek's game. Vanek really struggled under Yeo, Therrien imagine him under Carlyle.

I've said it many times and I stick by it Green, Vanek, Tatar and company need to be dangled long before the other teams are deciding that their big names are available because if Sakic is keeping his word then Duchene, Landeskog and Barrie might be on the market which obviously puts on top of every contenders list.

 

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41 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

if he was so established we wouldnt be having problems to trade him contract or not (we tried in the off season so teams had time to fix their cap) 

 

i do know mrazek has already done more than howard has and hes 7 years younger , howards never won anything or stolen a series and most likely never will ... howards been mediocre here for years and now sts hes had a great 20-25 games you want to keep him??? teams should always sell players when the stock is high, now (or the off season) is the time to trade him if we can

lets not forget our defense has been awful this season , mrazek will bounce back he just needs to be fed more starts to get going, and we obviously need help on the back end 

as for howards no trade clause , hes already agreed to waive it , we just couldnt find a taker 

Mrazek has accomplished more than Howard? Like what?

Yeah our D is not great. But that same D that played in front of Mraz also played in front of Howard. So sorry but bad D doesnt bail out your argument.

Id be fine trading Howard if Mraz numbers were equal, or at least decent. But theyre not. And even so, Howard has... wait for it... AN NTC! And the market is loaded with goaltenders! Unless we buy him out or Vegas selects him (they wont with better options available) hes not going anywhere. 

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http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/the-chicago-blackhawks-may-have-interest-in-tomas-tatar-and-gustav-nyquist?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

Hawks sniffing around Nyquist and Tatar.

We'll have accept a bag of pucks though, our guys are worth nothing. But if we want someone it'll be Larkin and 16 first round picks. Does that sound about right?

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Lefty you've got to realize there's a reason why multiple people call you out on your trade proposals time and time again and no one,  who's rational,  agrees with you. 

Your values are way off.  It's not personal. You have a reputation for this so people are going to call you out.  Just like the Franzen stuff. 

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33 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/the-chicago-blackhawks-may-have-interest-in-tomas-tatar-and-gustav-nyquist?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

Hawks sniffing around Nyquist and Tatar.

We'll have accept a bag of pucks though, our guys are worth nothing. But if we want someone it'll be Larkin and 16 first round picks. Does that sound about right?

Nyquist for Hjalmarsson straight up

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3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

...and once again, it'll cost the world to acquire someone, but our guys, even a potential #1 Overall is worthless. I get it.

Welcome to the world of Ken Holland. A player is only as valuable as the market dictates. Its all about leverage and right now the Wings dont have much. Right now Howard gets us nothing special, if the day before the deadline two contenders lose their starting goalie, completely different story.

Also, in today's NHL big trades don't really happen. The day Subban and Hall were moved was an outlier.

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18 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Would Mrazek get Shattenkirk here? Or do we need to include Larkin and Mantha? Not that I want to trade him, but I know Howard wouldn't get it done.

Shattenkirk for Larkin and Mantha, no way. Shatty has 1 year left and I heard he is really interested in signing with the Rangers in the offseason.

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On January 21, 2017 at 1:57 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Mrazek has accomplished more than Howard? Like what?

Yeah our D is not great. But that same D that played in front of Mraz also played in front of Howard. So sorry but bad D doesnt bail out your argument.

Id be fine trading Howard if Mraz numbers were equal, or at least decent. But theyre not. And even so, Howard has... wait for it... AN NTC! And the market is loaded with goaltenders! Unless we buy him out or Vegas selects him (they wont with better options available) hes not going anywhere. 

He was dominant in the world juniors and won the best goalie in the tournament award (players who win those types of awards don't tend to be busts)

 

help lead the the griffns to the Calder cup , stolen some big games in the post season already where as Howard has always disappointed 

 

you keep forgetting one big important fact , mrazek will be 25 and Howard 33 that's a big gap ... Howard is going on the decline where as mrazek is on the rise , I'm more worried of losing coreau to Vegas 

dallas and islanders need a goalie... Howard has already said he'd accept a trade , just a matter of time

19 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Would Mrazek get Shattenkirk here? Or do we need to include Larkin and Mantha? Not that I want to trade him, but I know Howard wouldn't get it done.

He's gonna be a ufa , parting with any of those 3 would be a monumental mistake 

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9 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

He was dominant in the world juniors and won the best goalie in the tournament award (players who win those types of awards don't tend to be busts)

 

help lead the the griffns to the Calder cup , stolen some big games in the post season already where as Howard has always disappointed 

 

you keep forgetting one big important fact , mrazek will be 25 and Howard 33 that's a big gap ... Howard is going on the decline where as mrazek is on the rise , I'm more worried of losing coreau to Vegas 

dallas and islanders need a goalie... Howard has already said he'd accept a trade , just a matter of time

He's gonna be a ufa , parting with any of those 3 would be a monumental mistake 

Howard was selected as an NHL all star and selected to his olympic team. Petr cant say that. I dont care what Mrazek did in lesser leagues, thats completely irrelevant in the NHL. If he was so good in juniors and AHL maybe he should go back there lol.

Mraz flopped in the playoffs same as Jimmy, your grasping at straws.

If you look at their numbers Jimmy is the one on the rise and Mrazek on the decline. But yeah i get it Petr is young shiny and new lol.

Jimmy said hed accept a trade? News to me. Please provide a source.

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43 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

He was dominant in the world juniors and won the best goalie in the tournament award (players who win those types of awards don't tend to be busts)

 

help lead the the griffns to the Calder cup , stolen some big games in the post season already where as Howard has always disappointed 

 

you keep forgetting one big important fact , mrazek will be 25 and Howard 33 that's a big gap ... Howard is going on the decline where as mrazek is on the rise , I'm more worried of losing coreau to Vegas 

dallas and islanders need a goalie... Howard has already said he'd accept a trade , just a matter of time

He's gonna be a ufa , parting with any of those 3 would be a monumental mistake 

That's not true at all.  The world juniors is very overrated in terms of assessing talent.  It's a very short window where some lesser players can look a lot better than they are. You're much better off assessing them through their club team over the course of a whole season. 

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I say trade Nyquist AND Tatar. Get a prospect for each....or picks. I all for just keeping Vanek and extending him, preferably after the expansion draft, but if we got rid of the two above, we could extend him right away and protect him. But I guess it would also be ok the protect him and leave the two unprotected at the draft. I could really care less right about now. 

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10 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I say trade Nyquist AND Tatar. Get a prospect for each....or picks. I all for just keeping Vanek and extending him, preferably after the expansion draft, but if we got rid of the two above, we could extend him right away and protect him. But I guess it would also be ok the protect him and leave the two unprotected at the draft. I could really care less right about now. 

On board. Just disagree on trading for picks n prospects. Trade Tatar and Nyquist in a way that nets us a Dman finally. Shattenkirk or something. Extend Vanek. Play Jurco and Miller (maybe). And take a shot at the playoffs. If we miss whatever. 

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Howard was selected as an NHL all star and selected to his olympic team. Petr cant say that. I dont care what Mrazek did in lesser leagues, thats completely irrelevant in the NHL. If he was so good in juniors and AHL maybe he should go back there lol.

Mraz flopped in the playoffs same as Jimmy, your grasping at straws.

If you look at their numbers Jimmy is the one on the rise and Mrazek on the decline. But yeah i get it Petr is young shiny and new lol.

Jimmy said hed accept a trade? News to me. Please provide a source.

http://ingoalmag.com/news/jimmy-howard-says-ok-idea-traded/

 

olympic team 3rd string goalie and all stars are a joke, it's like when your a kid and get a participation award lol 

 

mrazek has has looked great in playoff games particularly vs Tampa , Howard's been average

 

the only thing on the rise about Howard is his age and receeding hairline 

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1 hour ago, DickieDunn said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IIHF_World_Under_20_Championship_Directorate_award_winners

Lot of not very good nhl goalies there

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Well I did say "players" who win those awards tend not be busts and to be fair there's a lot of impressive players there (a lot more nhlers  than busts) 

 

but yes the goalies who won the awards aren't as impressive as the forwards   But I did see price,rask,lehtonen,Theodore,fleury and mason. Who had good/long careers 

 

and Gibson is currently playing , and who knows about the ones the last 5 years (goalies take longer to develop)

 

its way too soon to write mrazek off as a bust 

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10 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

http://ingoalmag.com/news/jimmy-howard-says-ok-idea-traded/

 

olympic team 3rd string goalie and all stars are a joke, it's like when your a kid and get a participation award lol 

 

mrazek has has looked great in playoff games particularly vs Tampa , Howard's been average

 

the only thing on the rise about Howard is his age and receeding hairline 

So Mrazek looked good in a playoff game one time therefore hes achieved more than Jimmy Howard? Ok dude. Whatever you say.

That article is from when Mrazek had first claimed the starting job. Since then he's lost it back to Jimmy. This is Howards team right now. Very different scenario. 

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40 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I say trade Nyquist AND Tatar. Get a prospect for each....or picks. I all for just keeping Vanek and extending him, preferably after the expansion draft, but if we got rid of the two above, we could extend him right away and protect him. But I guess it would also be ok the protect him and leave the two unprotected at the draft. I could really care less right about now. 

Can't  lose nyquist or Tatar for nothing

 

id like to see us move one to the ducks for Theodore or carlsson .... And vanek if he comes back. Absolutely has to sign after the expansion draft , no way can we waste a spot on him 

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18 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

So Mrazek looked good in a playoff game one time therefore hes achieved more than Jimmy Howard? Ok dude. Whatever you say.

That article is from when Mrazek had first claimed the starting job. Since then he's lost it back to Jimmy. This is Howards team right now. Very different scenario. 

Yes and aging howard  with his mediocre playoff numbers is a stud , let's hope he plays Till he's 44 

 

lets agree to disagree

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13 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Yes and aging howard  with his mediocre playoff numbers is a stud , let's hope he plays Till he's 44 

 

lets agree to disagree

Yes and bad attitude Mrazek with his piss poor numbers is a stud. Lets hope he can manage playing out the season.

Look i can make sarcastic exagerrations too!

Never claimed Howard was a stud. Ive openly stated multiple times on this board that Jimmy Howard has been an average goalie over the course of his career. My argument doesnt change due to that either.

If youre done discussing that's fine. Im sure someone else will tag in to defend Mrazek sooner rather than later.

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I think trading Nyquist or Tatar now is a mistake unless Trash is brought back. They have no value and I think they're going to bounce back once they get a competent coach.

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Tatar wants out so whats the point of keeping him? If someone offers a solid price he's gone


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