Rumors Thread

[Rick D 394]

5 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Berggren, Holl, 3rd, No salary retention needed.

Essentially they would be helping us dump 3.4 in Holl instead of retaining any of Karlsson. I'd be okay with this. 

[LeftWinger 5,153]

14 hours ago, Rick D said:

Essentially they would be helping us dump 3.4 in Holl instead of retaining any of Karlsson. I'd be okay with this. 

...and $1.8M in Berggren. 

[kipwinger 8,771]

Apparently it's time for my yearly reminder that Erik Karlsson isn't any good. I'm not really sure why I have to keep telling everyone this. We can prove this, statistically. He scored 53 total points. He had 38 even strength points and got SCORED ON 62 times, accounting for his whopping -24 +/-. So that means he only scored 15 powerplay points, 9 fewer than Mo Seider.

Now let's put it all together. He's a net negative at even strength, he'll get scored on much more often than he'll score. He's also worse than our own internal PP quarterback, and that's the BEST part of his game. And he does ALL THAT for one of the worst contracts in the league.

He's horrible and SY would be retarded to trade for him.

Edited July 17 by kipwinger

[Motor City Mullets 315]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Apparently it's time for my yearly reminder that Erik Karlsson isn't any good. I'm not really sure why I have to keep telling everyone this. We can prove this, statistically. He scored 53 total points. He had 38 even strength points and got SCORED ON 62 times, accounting for his whopping -24 +/-. So that means he only scored 15 powerplay points, 9 fewer than Mo Seider.

Now let's put it all together. He's a net negative at even strength, he'll get scored on much more often than he'll score. He's also worse than our own internal PP quarterback, and that's the BEST part of his game. And he does ALL THAT for one of the worst contracts in the league.

He's horrible and SY would be retarded to trade for him.

But what if EK65 is paired with EdvinGod77?

Norse Mythology may very well have 2 new legends worthy of  their tales of greatness shared by village elders for generations!

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

1 hour ago, Motor City Mullets said:

But what if EK65 is paired with EdvinGod77?

Norse Mythology may very well have 2 new legends worthy of  their tales of greatness shared by village elders for generations!

We can fix him

[kipwinger 8,771]

Intriguing name out of Columbus: Yegor Chinakhov. Former 1st round pick that just requested a trade out of CBJ. His career has been sidelined by a series of injuries, but produced about .5 ppg when in the lineup. Has size and a wicked shot. Might be a good "buy low" candidate with some potential uptapped upside.

[mackel 768]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Intriguing name out of Columbus: Yegor Chinakhov. Former 1st round pick that just requested a trade out of CBJ. His career has been sidelined by a series of injuries, but produced about .5 ppg when in the lineup. Has size and a wicked shot. Might be a good "buy low" candidate with some potential uptapped upside.

I was going to post something similar... I wonder if he could be had for a 3rd and Tuomisto? Too low? Maybe 1:1 with Berggren going back?

[kipwinger 8,771]

35 minutes ago, mackel said:

I was going to post something similar... I wonder if he could be had for a 3rd and Tuomisto? Too low? Maybe 1:1 with Berggren going back?

Yeah, you’re in the right ballpark. Can’t imagine it would cost much. But I wouldn’t expect too much either. He’s basically Dominik Kubalik 2.0

[mackel 768]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

Yeah, you’re in the right ballpark. Can’t imagine it would cost much. But I wouldn’t expect too much either. He’s basically Dominik Kubalik 2.0

Hey it's a reclamation project... Kubalik was an important trade chip in the Dcat trade...

This would be a low risk high reward play. 

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Would Doug Hamilton help more than EK?

[mackel 768]

3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Would Doug Hamilton help more than EK?

EK is spent... bringing him in for future considerations wouldn't even make sense.

[kipwinger 8,771]

13 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Would Doug Hamilton help more than EK?

I'm not a Dougie Hamilton fanboy or anything, but he's a MUCH BETTER player than Karlsson. Hamilton gives you the same offense and powerplay expertise but he can actually defend against top players at even strength. That's the problem with Karlsson in a nut shell. He can score a zillion points, but only if you play him 20 mins a night. And if you play him 20 mins a night he'll get scored on even more than he scores...which is a lot. Hamilton doesn't have that problem.

13 hours ago, mackel said:

Hey it's a reclamation project... Kubalik was an important trade chip in the Dcat trade...

This would be a low risk high reward play. 

I agree. He's also a pretty stout guy too, so even through he brings "soft skill" it's more of the Daniel Sprong variety than the Jonatan Berggren variety.

 

[LeftWinger 5,153]

3 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I'm not a Dougie Hamilton fanboy or anything, but he's a MUCH BETTER player than Karlsson. Hamilton gives you the same offense and powerplay expertise but he can actually defend against top players at even strength. That's the problem with Karlsson in a nut shell. He can score a zillion points, but only if you play him 20 mins a night. And if you play him 20 mins a night he'll get scored on even more than he scores...which is a lot. Hamilton doesn't have that problem.

Hamilton is the play then. I am hoping each morning I wake up that I see some news!

3 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I agree. He's also a pretty stout guy too, so even through he brings "soft skill" it's more of the Daniel Sprong variety than the Jonatan Berggren variety

I say take the risk. We could use 30 goals next to Larkin and Raymond. I'd even throw in a draft pick sweetener.

[kipwinger 8,771]

58 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Hamilton is the play then. I am hoping each morning I wake up that I see some news!

I say take the risk. We could use 30 goals next to Larkin and Raymond. I'd even throw in a draft pick sweetener.

I put some feelers out to CBJ fans on Reddit to learn more about his defensive game and physical game. I know he's not some kind of Tkachuk style "power forward" but if he can use his size to protect pucks, win board battles, and crash the net then he may just be an option with the guys you mentioned. I just don't know enough about his game to know if he's got top line potential, but it's an interesting thought.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

5 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I put some feelers out to CBJ fans on Reddit to learn more about his defensive game and physical game. I know he's not some kind of Tkachuk style "power forward" but if he can use his size to protect pucks, win board battles, and crash the net then he may just be an option with the guys you mentioned. I just don't know enough about his game to know if he's got top line potential, but it's an interesting thought.

>Red Wings fan here coming in peace. What can you tell me about Chinakov's game?

"Welcome fellow redditerino! China is a heckin' good mid 6 forward. His style could be described as sort of how OSU played the strong safety position during the urban meyer era. Heckin lanky boi, but more for coverage than physical run stopping if that makes sense."

EDIT: Wow thanks for the gold kind stranger!

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

Rossi and the Wild are at a total impasse apparently. Not even speaking or negotiating. Anyone know what Minny would want in return?

[kipwinger 8,771]

10 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Rossi and the Wild are at a total impasse apparently. Not even speaking or negotiating. Anyone know what Minny would want in return?

You'd have to imagine not very much considering the cause of the impasse is that Minny management don't believe Rossi is a top of the lineup player despite his point totals (according to reports). If that's true then I'd imagine you'd have to give them a comparable bottom six roster player and a B-level prospect (given that Rossi is cost controlled). I think something centered around Compher/Berggren and a prospect would do it.

Edited Tuesday at 08:31 PM by kipwinger

[LeftWinger 5,153]

16 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Rossi and the Wild are at a total impasse apparently. Not even speaking or negotiating. Anyone know what Minny would want in return?

He can be the future considerations in the Tarasenko deal. 

15 hours ago, kipwinger said:

You'd have to imagine not very much considering the cause of the impasse is that Minny management don't believe Rossi is a top of the lineup player despite his point totals (according to reports). If that's true then I'd imagine you'd have to give them a comparable bottom six roster player and a B-level prospect (given that Rossi is cost controlled). I think something centered around Compher/Berggren and a prospect would do it.

Shoot, we already gave them Tarasenko, just add a couple more pieces. 

[Motor City Mullets 315]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

He can be the future considerations in the Tarasenko deal. 

Shoot, we already gave them Tarasenko, just add a couple more pieces. 

I'd send them Berggren or Rasmountain if they wanted a roster player in return...Looks like Rossi's production is trending upwards.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

Russo said on his podcast Minny was offered two 1sts for Rossi at the draft and they declined. Guerin doesnt want any futures, and would want to replace Rossi's 60 pts on the roster imedeately.

Don't think this trade is possible for us.

[diehardredwingsfan58 165]

Let's get Dougie Hamilton and Homeboy Bryan Rust..

[Motor City Mullets 315]

21 hours ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said:

Let's get Dougie Hamilton and Homeboy Bryan Rust..

Hamilton age 32 with 3 yrs at $9

Rust age 33 with 3yrs at $5.125

I would not mind them being added to our roster, but they're at the end of their respective careers (Hamilton often injured) and carry a big cap hit.

Yzerman should send NJ/Pitt draft picks, a prospect/s, player/s who won't likely be a Red Wing much longer ie Berggren....Doing both clubs a favor taking on their aging vets.

Edited Thursday at 04:09 PM by Motor City Mullets

[diehardredwingsfan58 165]

3 hours ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Hamilton age 32 with 3 yrs at $9

Rust age 33 with 3yrs at $5.125

I would not mind them being added to our roster, but they're at the end of their respective careers (Hamilton often injured) and carry a big cap hit.

Yzerman should send NJ/Pitt draft picks, a prospect/s, player/s who won't likely be a Red Wing much longer ie Berggren....Doing both clubs a favor taking on their aging vets.

While they'd help us short term, We do need better long term solutions.

[mackel 768]

1 hour ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said:

While they'd help us short term, We do need better long term solutions.

I don't want either of those guys... we need to identify players who are underused on their current team and swing a deal. No more 30 something guys who won't contribute much 2 years from now. 

[Motor City Mullets 315]

17 minutes ago, mackel said:

I don't want either of those guys... we need to identify players who are underused on their current team and swing a deal. No more 30 something guys who won't contribute much 2 years from now. 

Agreed - however finding these guys, or having to pay fair market value will be tough...Robertson will likely command a player like Raymond in return...Not sure what Rossi would cost us, but I'm sure he won't come cheap...Who else is out there (saw Sprong signing a 1 yr deal with CSKA Moscow)...