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20 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Why doesn't Philly wanna keep Konecny? /outoftheloop

Chuck Fletcher said he's going to be very active this summer. He's already acquired Kevin Hayes's rights and it feels like he's only getting started.

I think Konecny could get moved because...

  • he's not necessarily a core piece for the Flyers
  • he's due for a pretty big raise
  • the Flyers have been linked to Kasperi Kapanen (if only theoretically), who I guess has childhood roots in Philly
21 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

My hot take prediction on this draft is that Dmen are going to go wayyyy sooner than anyone realizes, and it's gonna start with Byram going #3 to Chicago.

1. Byram - #3
2. Broberg - Top 10
3. Seider - Top 10
4. Harley - Top 15
5. Soderstrom - Top 15
6. York - Top 15
7. Robertson - Top 15
8. Bjornfort - Top 20
9. Heinola - Top 20

Wouldn't surprise me.

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2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Flyers aren’t gonna move konecky and I don’t know if I’d be wanting to drop down to 11 and those are a lot of picks  with Tampa to land 27th and raddysh who I’m not too crazy for 

Callahan +27th for sharks 2nd I’d consider if not id be ok with Callahan and Tampa’s 2nd in 2020 for some no name player like puempel ,similar to the jets/habs deal involving Steve mason 

Re: Flyers...Chuck Fletcher loves trading and he's been known to move players who were thought to be off-limits. I think if he's looking to make a big move or two, Konecny's likely in the mix. Could be wrong tho.

Re: Dropping to 11...I suppose it's playing with fire, true. Personally, I wouldn't mind, because I've always said all of these players in that range are roughly interchangeable.

Re: Tampa...I think it's a decent deal. NYI's 2nd -- a late 2nd -- gets upgraded to a late 1st. You can take Raddysh out, but, personally, I like the way he plays the game, I like that he he shoots right-handed, I like that he did well in his rookie AHL season, and I like that he's just about ready to step into an NHL team's bottom six. I'd say he's worth a 2nd, and we're giving the Bolts two 3rds. One of those 3rds covers Raddysh, the other covers 1) Jan Rutta, who's a decent soon-to-be-29-year-old RH Czech defenseman on an expiring contract (possible Vanek-esque mentor to Hronek), and 2) the assets we might get if we flip one or two or all three of Raddysh, Rutta, Callahan.

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1 hour ago, Dabura said:

Re: Flyers...Chuck Fletcher loves trading and he's been known to move players who were thought to be off-limits. I think if he's looking to make a big move or two, Konecny's likely in the mix. Could be wrong tho.

Re: Dropping to 11...I suppose it's playing with fire, true. Personally, I wouldn't mind, because I've always said all of these players in that range are roughly interchangeable.

Re: Tampa...I think it's a decent deal. NYI's 2nd -- a late 2nd -- gets upgraded to a late 1st. You can take Raddysh out, but, personally, I like the way he plays the game, I like that he he shoots right-handed, I like that he did well in his rookie AHL season, and I like that he's just about ready to step into an NHL team's bottom six. I'd say he's worth a 2nd, and we're giving the Bolts two 3rds. One of those 3rds covers Raddysh, the other covers 1) Jan Rutta, who's a decent soon-to-be-29-year-old RH Czech defenseman on an expiring contract (possible Vanek-esque mentor to Hronek), and 2) the assets we might get if we flip one or two or all three of Raddysh, Rutta, Callahan.

Just can’t see him moving on a 22 yr old konecky who’s had 20 goal seasons back to back , could be wrong  ...and if I were philly I’d much rather keep konecky than kapanen 

id rather hang on to the picks personally and do the Callahan 27 for 60 if possible scenario , just a lot of guys I like this draft so I’d rather hang on to as many picks as possible ... as for drafting backwards to go to 11 I might consider it if we’d be able to drop from 6 and drop a few more times if we ended up with like 3 firsts and got like knight,broberg,beecher instead of just a podkolzin/zegras/turcotte but trading back I think would mean we’d get maybe a second rounder attached and not firsts , if we want podkolzin let’s say and we know for a fact we can have him at 8 then I’d have no problems doing 6 for 8 and 40 but I don’t know if that would even be doable 

 

should be a fun draft , I expect a lot of movement , hopefully we can get rid of a Daley on the weekend and add another 5th , quite some guys I’d like to target , again it should be a fun exciting draft weekend for wings fans to keep an eye on 

1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I got him pegged as our 7th

Wouldn’t surprise me ... trade ericsson at 50% off for a 5-7th pick and take bertuzzi 

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/290462/marcel-barinka

 

like him as a late pick over tag,not good numbers in halifax but all the c’s are 20+ so they’ll be gone so he could have huge uptick in minutes and could have a big season,just turned 18 and also had good numbers at the u18 tournament and hlinka cup 

tag wouldn’t bother me but he’d be abottom guy I’d rather risk our 5-7th picks on upside players they fail so be it

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1 hour ago, Dabura said:

Chuck Fletcher said he's going to be very active this summer. He's already acquired Kevin Hayes's rights and it feels like he's only getting started.

I think Konecny could get moved because...

  • he's not necessarily a core piece for the Flyers
  • he's due for a pretty big raise
  • the Flyers have been linked to Kasperi Kapanen (if only theoretically), who I guess has childhood roots in Philly

Wouldn't surprise me.


What about Nolan Patrick? One of Friedman or McKenzie was saying Fletcher would hear offers on him. Also Ghostbear.

 

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Low ceiling, don't want

Low ceiling compared to who? The guys that will likely go top 5? Sure, which is why he *might* not go top 5... His ceiling is still a top line center / winger, and I'd say he has a better chance in hitting that ceiling than most of the guys around him. Maybe a slightly lower ceiling than some, but a much higher floor than most in my opinion.

2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Correct

I think he'll definitely be an NHL player one day. Just doesn't have the skill level that a Zegras or Podkolzin has. Cozens is like Rasmussen 2.0.

Cozens is nothing like Rasmussen. Dach is similar in a lot of ways though.

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3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Low ceiling compared to who? The guys that will likely go top 5? Sure, which is why he *might* not go top 5... His ceiling is still a top line center / winger, and I'd say he has a better chance in hitting that ceiling than most of the guys around him. Maybe a slightly lower ceiling than some, but a much higher floor than most in my opinion.

Cozens is nothing like Rasmussen. Dach is similar in a lot of ways though.

As I've posted before...

Cozens never wowed me with anything. The thing I was most impressed by was the fact that he seemed to already have a mans frame, and knew how to use it. Definitely one of the bigger, stronger, more athletic 17/18 years I've seen play in the WHL. Not many faults to his game at all, but also nothing that really jumps off the page either.

I've seen a lot less of Zegras, but Zegras jumps off the page at me. He leaves you going "holy s*** if he can just put on 20 more lbs he might be able to tear the league up with his hands and vision." Never got that impression with Cozens. He strikes me as a kid who peaked young physically and uses that to out motor/muscle/play the rest of the WHL. I think when he gets to the NHL that he's gonna find that his strong legs and athleticism aren't a huge advantage anymore. He'll struggle, much like Nolan Patrick has, to live up to the perceived potential. Meanwhile, guys like Zegras - who have potentially elite level hands and vision - will be beefing up still and will eventually leapfrog him when they catch up physically.

Basically I'm saying I think their is a lot less room for growth with this one. Zegras can easily get bigger and stronger, but the elite level vision/instincts etc etc that Zegras has is not something that is easily taught.

He's got NHL player written all over him, but I personally don't see him as an elite 1C. I'd say more like a Brock Nelson or Brayden Schenn. Very complete all-around players, but not elite. 50-60 pt 2nd line centermen. I'd rather gamble on a guy like Podkolzin if we're taking a forward.

I compare him to Rasmussen, because I think they're both players who were gifted physically very early in life. Size + strength + the athleticism to be able to use it. Likewise, both Ras and Cozens play a pretty complete game and lack some of the flash other players around them in the draft have, with Ras being a bit bigger and slower than Cozens.

The one caveat I'll add to my assessment of Cozens though... Lethbridge had almost no goal-tending this year. There were games where their opponents were going up 5/6/7 goals on them at times. Whenever a team went up 3 goals on them (which was too common) the whole team seemed to check out. Maybe that motivated Cozens to play more cautious and defensively at times, IDK, but it would be nice to see him play in a situation where he has confidence in the guys behind him.

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36 minutes ago, TLGTrico said:

I still shake my head in disappointment whenever I hear about us picking 6th.

We all do...

On the bright side...Many players picked outside the top 3 have gone on, and had incredible careers in the NHL.

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3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

As I've posted before...

Cozens never wowed me with anything. The thing I was most impressed by was the fact that he seemed to already have a mans frame, and knew how to use it. Definitely one of the bigger, stronger, more athletic 17/18 years I've seen play in the WHL. Not many faults to his game at all, but also nothing that really jumps off the page either.

I've seen a lot less of Zegras, but Zegras jumps off the page at me. He leaves you going "holy s*** if he can just put on 20 more lbs he might be able to tear the league up with his hands and vision." Never got that impression with Cozens. He strikes me as a kid who peaked young physically and uses that to out motor/muscle/play the rest of the WHL. I think when he gets to the NHL that he's gonna find that his strong legs and athleticism aren't a huge advantage anymore. He'll struggle, much like Nolan Patrick has, to live up to the perceived potential. Meanwhile, guys like Zegras - who have potentially elite level hands and vision - will be beefing up still and will eventually leapfrog him when they catch up physically.

Basically I'm saying I think their is a lot less room for growth with this one. Zegras can easily get bigger and stronger, but the elite level vision/instincts etc etc that Zegras has is not something that is easily taught.

He's got NHL player written all over him, but I personally don't see him as an elite 1C. I'd say more like a Brock Nelson or Brayden Schenn. Very complete all-around players, but not elite. 50-60 pt 2nd line centermen. I'd rather gamble on a guy like Podkolzin if we're taking a forward.

I compare him to Rasmussen, because I think they're both players who were gifted physically very early in life. Size + strength + the athleticism to be able to use it. Likewise, both Ras and Cozens play a pretty complete game and lack some of the flash other players around them in the draft have, with Ras being a bit bigger and slower than Cozens.

The one caveat I'll add to my assessment of Cozens though... Lethbridge had almost no goal-tending this year. There were games where their opponents were going up 5/6/7 goals on them at times. Whenever a team went up 3 goals on them (which was too common) the whole team seemed to check out. Maybe that motivated Cozens to play more cautious and defensively at times, IDK, but it would be nice to see him play in a situation where he has confidence in the guys behind him.

Fair enough, and you make some good points. I just see Cozens as a player that doesn't have any one quality that is truly elite, aside from maybe his skating, which is huge in today's NHL, but he also doesn't have any real glaring weaknesses either. I'd say his speed, strength, hands, passing, shooting, hockey IQ are all well above average to high end. Most of these prospects have at least one thing they really need to work on. I don't see that with Cozens. His game is already well defined and is probably pretty close to NHL ready. Like I said, his ceiling may not be quite as high as some of his peers, but I do think the likelihood of him reaching that ceiling may be slightly higher.

Regardless, as I've said, I'd be thrilled with any number of guys at 6th overall, and right now, I'd lean toward one of Cozens or Zegras outside of the obvious Hughes, Kakko, Byram and Turcotte...

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50 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Fair enough, and you make some good points. I just see Cozens as a player that doesn't have any one quality that is truly elite, aside from maybe his skating, which is huge in today's NHL, but he also doesn't have any real glaring weaknesses either. I'd say his speed, strength, hands, passing, shooting, hockey IQ are all well above average to high end. Most of these prospects have at least one thing they really need to work on. I don't see that with Cozens. His game is already well defined and is probably pretty close to NHL ready. Like I said, his ceiling may not be quite as high as some of his peers, but I do think the likelihood of him reaching that ceiling may be slightly higher.

Regardless, as I've said, I'd be thrilled with any number of guys at 6th overall, and right now, I'd lean toward one of Cozens or Zegras outside of the obvious Hughes, Kakko, Byram and Turcotte...

I would agree that he has a high likelihood of reaching his potential/cieling, and is probably one of the more NHL ready guys. I'd almost call him the safe pick... Whereas a guy like Zegras is more boom or bust. At the very worst I think you're getting a 3rd line center in Cozens. At the very worst with Zegras he completely busts.

I'd be completely happy drafting Cozens, but If Byram, Turcotte, Zegras go 3,4,5 I'd like to spin the wheel on Podkolzin or even reach for a Dman, trading down of course acceptable to me as well.

The more I read and watch about the German kid, the more I actually like him. I think he may truly be the 2nd best Dman in this draft behind Byram. Interestingly enough I'd almost call him the forward version of Cozens. Big, strong, athletic, very complete game, lacks the truly elite skill (i dont mind this as much in a Dman), mature, smart, poised, has leadership qualities, probably more NHL ready than most. He's probably gonna top out around 6'5" 220+ lbs and shoots right as well.

He started the season with Mannheim playing top 6 and PK. Ended the season and playoffs playing top 4 and PK. Also was heavily deployed by the coach in the D zone. From what I've gathered he'll likely go back to Mannheim for one more year where he's expected to play top pair as well as PP and PK. He's not afraid to join the rush and has a very good/heavy shot... the coach kept him sheltered away from the O zone and away from the PP in his rookie year though.

Korbinian Holzer commented that he felt like he was playing with a guy twice his age with Seider, and Seider's coach apparently has praised his adaptability. That he adapts/learns/overcomes any situation you throw him into very quickly.

Maybe it's just my love of Lidstrom, but he gives me Lidstrom lite vibes.

39 minutes ago, Rivalred said:

Anyone else take a look at Spencer Knight?

G not a huge priority in my book as I really like Larsson... but I would be completely happy to grab him if Yzerman can muster up another 1st and steal him semi late.

That said, there's a lot of Dmen in the first round that I think are underrated. Would rather ****** up one of those.

Random story: buddy of mine who just moved to Denver ran into Filip Larsson in a bar about a month ago. Didn't realize who he was until the subject of sports came up and Filip mentioned he just signed a contract with the Wings. Larsson is only 20.... tsk tsk Filip underage drinking is illegal...

 

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6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

As I've posted before...

Cozens never wowed me with anything. The thing I was most impressed by was the fact that he seemed to already have a mans frame, and knew how to use it. Definitely one of the bigger, stronger, more athletic 17/18 years I've seen play in the WHL. Not many faults to his game at all, but also nothing that really jumps off the page either.

I've seen a lot less of Zegras, but Zegras jumps off the page at me. He leaves you going "holy s*** if he can just put on 20 more lbs he might be able to tear the league up with his hands and vision." Never got that impression with Cozens. He strikes me as a kid who peaked young physically and uses that to out motor/muscle/play the rest of the WHL. I think when he gets to the NHL that he's gonna find that his strong legs and athleticism aren't a huge advantage anymore. He'll struggle, much like Nolan Patrick has, to live up to the perceived potential. Meanwhile, guys like Zegras - who have potentially elite level hands and vision - will be beefing up still and will eventually leapfrog him when they catch up physically.

Basically I'm saying I think their is a lot less room for growth with this one. Zegras can easily get bigger and stronger, but the elite level vision/instincts etc etc that Zegras has is not something that is easily taught.

He's got NHL player written all over him, but I personally don't see him as an elite 1C. I'd say more like a Brock Nelson or Brayden Schenn. Very complete all-around players, but not elite. 50-60 pt 2nd line centermen. I'd rather gamble on a guy like Podkolzin if we're taking a forward.

I compare him to Rasmussen, because I think they're both players who were gifted physically very early in life. Size + strength + the athleticism to be able to use it. Likewise, both Ras and Cozens play a pretty complete game and lack some of the flash other players around them in the draft have, with Ras being a bit bigger and slower than Cozens.

The one caveat I'll add to my assessment of Cozens though... Lethbridge had almost no goal-tending this year. There were games where their opponents were going up 5/6/7 goals on them at times. Whenever a team went up 3 goals on them (which was too common) the whole team seemed to check out. Maybe that motivated Cozens to play more cautious and defensively at times, IDK, but it would be nice to see him play in a situation where he has confidence in the guys behind him.

Zegras makes behind the back passes on the power play against Lichtenberg and that gives him elite level passing.  Mmmmm ok.  Im in total disagreement with you on these 2 guys.  Cozens has elite speed and can generate something Zegras cannot = 5 on 5 offense/transition.  Zegras is a power play passing specialist with decent skating.  Watch the 15 minute highlight clips.  Cozens has a 200 foot game.  Zegras has a 65 foot game.  These USNDP guys arent all going to turn into Patrick Kanes.  Hughes probably will.  The rest will probably fizzle.

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Just now, Jonas Mahonas said:

Zegras makes behind the back passes on the power play against Lichtenberg and that gives him elite level passing.  Mmmmm ok.  Im in total disagreement with you on these 2 guys.  Cozens has elite speed and can generate something Zegras cannot = 5 on 5 offense/transition.  Zegras is a power play passing specialist with decent skating.  Watch the 15 minute highlight clips.  Cozens has a 200 foot game.  Zegras has a 65 foot game.  These USNDP guys arent all going to turn into Patrick Kanes.  Hughes probably will.  The rest will probably fizzle.

Yup Zegras could be a total burnout. risky pick.

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Prospect Deep Dive: Philip Tomasino [Dobber Prospects]

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Where Tomasino goes in the draft is anyone’s guess. He’s a prospect oozing with offensive potential and he’s also one of the younger top prospects in this draft. The book of Tomasino’s late-season success has begun to spread like wildfire, reaching everyone from scouts to general managers. Tomasino could be a player who sneaks into the 10-15 range and no one would bat an eye. Widely ranked anywhere from 11 to 28, Tomasino’s meteoric rise among the scouting community could be one of the biggest developments as the draft inches closer by the day.

8 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Zegras makes behind the back passes on the power play against Lichtenberg and that gives him elite level passing.  Mmmmm ok.  Im in total disagreement with you on these 2 guys.  Cozens has elite speed and can generate something Zegras cannot = 5 on 5 offense/transition.

This is the silliest thing I have ever read.

16 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

What about Nolan Patrick? One of Friedman or McKenzie was saying Fletcher would hear offers on him. Also Ghostbear.

TBH, I think anyone not named Giroux or Hart is a trade candidate.

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So I heard Darren dredger say there’s as many as 35 players (even if half gets moved it should be fun to see )under contract being tossed around in trade talks so the draft weekend and next 2-4 weeks we should see a lot of hockey movement , good times 

time for yzerman to work his magic and get some callahan’s for picks and eat some salary if need be on those acquired assets and move them again 

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

Assuming some combination of Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Byram go 1-4 I've narrowed my list to:

Zegras

Dach

Cozens

Newhook (trade back scenario)

 

Definitely not Broberg though.  That guy blows. 

More like...Blowberg. :sly:

(There. I just ensured we're taking Broberg with our first pick. You're welcome / I'm sorry.)

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15 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yup Zegras could be a total burnout. risky pick.

I feel the risk-reward ratio is roughly the same for most of the players we're talking about. That being said, I think it ultimately comes down to what attributes you value most, i.e. what kind of player you think your team desperately needs.

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