krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I'm relatively positive that when Vanek signed this summer it was specifically said that he requested the NTC because he did NOT want to be traded again at the deadline. Can't really blame the guy, he's been traded at the last 2 deadlines and has bounced around 6 different teams over the last 4 er 5 years. The mans got a wife and three kids, that's gotta take a toll on the family. I hear ya. I just think it could be possible that he just wanted more say into where he goes if he does go at the deadline. I'm sure he's always wanted to win the Cup (what player hasn't), and this could be one of his last opportunities. Of course it could be that he just doesn't want to be traded, but... maybe not... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 Vanek can see his kids in 3 months and use FaceTime lol if he doesn’t want to deal with being traded he should go back to Europe , ken Holland is literally the only gm that would give vanek a ntc which is just ridiculous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Vanek can see his kids in 3 months and use FaceTime lol if he doesn’t want to deal with being traded he should go back to Europe , ken Holland is literally the only gm that would give vanek a ntc which is just ridiculous I mean Holland probably wanted the 35 year old on a 1-year deal, and Vanek wanted to be in Detroit... but Vanek is probably smart enough to know that if he signs a 1-year deal with a basement team he's gonna be trade fodder at the deadline again. Pretty reasonable to say he probably demanded an NTC in exchange for signing a 1-year. So we don't get a 3rd round pick for him this year, womp womp, that's better than committing term to a 35+ player at this point IMO 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I mean Holland probably wanted the 35 year old on a 1-year deal, and Vanek wanted to be in Detroit... but Vanek is probably smart enough to know that if he signs a 1-year deal with a basement team he's gonna be trade fodder at the deadline again. Pretty reasonable to say he probably demanded an NTC in exchange for signing a 1-year. So we don't get a 3rd round pick for him this year, womp womp, that's better than committing term to a 35+ player at this point IMO I find it hard to believe if Holland said no he’s find another gm to give him a ntc though ... that 3rd round pick could be a good player ah well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: I find it hard to believe if Holland said no he’s find another gm to give him a ntc though ... that 3rd round pick could be a good player ah well You're probably right... however I'm operating under the premise that Holland wanted Vanek here and Vanek wanted to be here. By all accounts that was the case. Holland's gets the limited term he wants, Vanek gets the trade protection he wants, everyone's happy and the deal is struck. 3rd round picks aren't very valuable btw. Chances of a 3rd rounder playing 100 games in the NHL are less than 30%, and chances of a 3rd rounder becoming a top 6 forward or top 4 Dman are less than 10%. Chances of a 3rd rounder becoming a 4th liner or worse hovers between 80% and 90%. Even 2nd rounders aren't very reliable picks these days. 2 krsmith17 and chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: You're probably right... however I'm operating under the premise that Holland wanted Vanek here and Vanek wanted to be here. By all accounts that was the case. Holland's gets the limited term he wants, Vanek gets the trade protection he wants, everyone's happy and the deal is struck. 3rd round picks aren't very valuable btw. Chances of a 3rd rounder playing 100 games in the NHL are less than 30%, and chances of a 3rd rounder becoming a top 6 forward or top 4 Dman are less than 10%. Chances of a 3rd rounder becoming a 4th liner or worse hovers between 80% and 90%. Even 2nd rounders aren't very reliable picks these days. Trust me I know , we had 4 in 2017 and pretty much all are crap or mediocre thus far but I do I know we increase our odds of getting a good player with more picks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I mean Holland probably wanted the 35 year old on a 1-year deal, and Vanek wanted to be in Detroit... but Vanek is probably smart enough to know that if he signs a 1-year deal with a basement team he's gonna be trade fodder at the deadline again. Pretty reasonable to say he probably demanded an NTC in exchange for signing a 1-year. So we don't get a 3rd round pick for him this year, womp womp, that's better than committing term to a 35+ player at this point IMO No. Holland doesn't negotiate. He just gives players whatever they want. He's saNTCa claus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: No. Holland doesn't negotiate. He just gives players whatever they want. He's saNTCa claus. Yeah sorta like how McPhee just gave all those picks to Holland for Tatar without Ken even asking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Yeah sorta like how McPhee just gave all those picks to Holland for Tatar without Ken even asking Any team looking for scoring depth would have given Vanek a NTC on a 1 year contract. It literally is not a big deal. Would have been a small concession. Edited February 8, 2019 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Any team looking for scoring depth would have given Vanek a NTC on a 1 year contract. It literally is not a big deal. Would have been a small concession. Contending team probably wouldn't need to offer the NTC, but yea it's not really a big deal Looks like Babs may be after his baby boy Glendog again: Leafs kicking the tires on Glendening Detroit looking to pursue free agents before the deadline Interesting, probably means the Wings are looking for stop-gaps as they expect to offload pieces Edited February 8, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Detroit looking to pursue free agents before the deadline Interesting, probably means the Wings are looking for stop-gaps as they expect to offload pieces Looks like that piece is about our own guys, not other teams' guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dabura said: Looks like that piece is about our own guys, not other teams' guys. Aye im dense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Aye im dense. Rookie move. smh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoweFan 74 Report post Posted February 9, 2019 The NHL app I have on my phone says Babcock is interested in Luke again this year. Says they didn’t like the second round price last year. Boyle got a second rounder so the price might have gone up this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted February 9, 2019 10 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I mean Holland probably wanted the 35 year old on a 1-year deal, and Vanek wanted to be in Detroit... but Vanek is probably smart enough to know that if he signs a 1-year deal with a basement team he's gonna be trade fodder at the deadline again. Pretty reasonable to say he probably demanded an NTC in exchange for signing a 1-year. So we don't get a 3rd round pick for him this year, womp womp, that's better than committing term to a 35+ player at this point IMO Exactly. Besides what you mentioned above about him not wanting to move again, i also think Vanek only agreed to sign with an NTC because he was considering retirement. He's a journeyman depth scorer at this point. He knew he was signing with a non-playoff team where he wouldn't be counted on to do very much. Easy money. I can see him retiring after this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted February 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, chaps80 said: Exactly. Besides what you mentioned above about him not wanting to move again, i also think Vanek only agreed to sign with an NTC because he was considering retirement. He's a journeyman depth scorer at this point. He knew he was signing with a non-playoff team where he wouldn't be counted on to do very much. Easy money. I can see him retiring after this. I think they ask more from him off-ice. For leadership. Like, it sounds like they like how he's liked. By the young guys. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 9, 2019 Ansar Khan reports Detroit Red Wings GM Ken Holland intends to step up discussions with several of his pending UFA players in an effort to re-sign them before the trade deadline. Of their seven UFAs, the Wings would like to re-sign goaltender Jimmy Howard, winger Gustav Nyquist, and defenseman Nick Jensen. Khan speculates a two-year deal for Howard at around his current annual average value ($5.3 million) seems possible. Nyquist is set to surpass his career-high of 54 points this season while the Wings value Jensen’s skating and penalty killing. Let's hope this is just posturing... I'm okay with holding onto Howard, especially if there's no goalie market. I'm okay with holding onto Jensen, if we plan to re-sign him this offseason. But Nyquist has to be traded... 2 Rick D and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Ansar Khan reports Detroit Red Wings GM Ken Holland intends to step up discussions with several of his pending UFA players in an effort to re-sign them before the trade deadline. Of their seven UFAs, the Wings would like to re-sign goaltender Jimmy Howard, winger Gustav Nyquist, and defenseman Nick Jensen. Khan speculates a two-year deal for Howard at around his current annual average value ($5.3 million) seems possible. Nyquist is set to surpass his career-high of 54 points this season while the Wings value Jensen’s skating and penalty killing. Let's hope this is just posturing... I'm okay with holding onto Howard, especially if there's no goalie market. I'm okay with holding onto Jensen, if we plan to re-sign him this offseason. But Nyquist has to be traded... I think it's posturing while technically being completely truthful. Would Holland like to re-sign these players? Yes. Does he intend to "step up discussions"? Yes. Does the fact that he intends to step up discussions mean he's going to fight tooth-and-nail to keep these guys in Detroit? Nah. 2 kipwinger and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 6:44 AM, krsmith17 said: Ansar Khan reports Detroit Red Wings GM Ken Holland intends to step up discussions with several of his pending UFA players in an effort to re-sign them before the trade deadline. Of their seven UFAs, the Wings would like to re-sign goaltender Jimmy Howard, winger Gustav Nyquist, and defenseman Nick Jensen. Khan speculates a two-year deal for Howard at around his current annual average value ($5.3 million) seems possible. Nyquist is set to surpass his career-high of 54 points this season while the Wings value Jensen’s skating and penalty killing. Let's hope this is just posturing... I'm okay with holding onto Howard, especially if there's no goalie market. I'm okay with holding onto Jensen, if we plan to re-sign him this offseason. But Nyquist has to be traded... Yzerman won't allow it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 Nyquist, Howard, and Jensen are the only ones who should be re-signed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Howard, and Jensen are the only ones who should be re-signed. FIFY. Seriously though, are you against trading Nyquist? Or do you want to see him traded and then come back to Detroit after his Cup run? I think not trading Nyquist would be extremely foolish, given the current state of this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 12, 2019 Guys I think Athansiou's voice is getting stale. Best he should be traded. His mere presence is stale! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Guys I think Athansiou's voice is getting stale. Best he should be traded. His mere presence is stale! Like a bag of Doritos that's been open for five seconds and all the air's got in the Doritos and why the hell did I buy this big bag of Doritos when I know they go stale within five seconds of the bag being opened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Dabura said: Like a bag of Doritos that's been open for five seconds and all the air's got in the Doritos and why the hell did I buy this big bag of Doritos when I know they go stale within five seconds of the bag being opened. Guys I think these doritos are gettin stale Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 14, 2019 McKenzie said on twitter he believes zuccarello will be dealt for a second and a prospect if that’s the case can’t see us getting a first for Gus even though he’s having a better season still think we need to trade him, maybe package him with Howard or other players,picks to land better assets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites