2019-20 Prospects Thread

[mackel 681]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

You're changing your story now because you were so obviously wrong the first time.  You said "defensive specialists" were becoming less and less common.  That's false.  Every single team in the league, including the two you mentioned, have multiple "defensive specialists".  Just admit you were wrong man. 

That won't happen, this dude still believes in Santa and Zadina.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Is Ehn replaceable? Yes. Everyone on this team is. That doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does. Defensive guys are a thing. They have value. 

Would he clear waivers? H-E-double hockey sticks, No!

Ehn is a far better player than Andersson or Emmerton. Those guys were mediocre across the board. They weren't good enough on either side of the puck to keep an NHL job. Ehn at least plays a solid enough defensive game at a high enough level to stick.

Will Ehn ever become more productive offensively? Who cares? He's not out there to score goals. His job is to stop the other guys from scoring. As long as he can do that, what reason does anyone have to criticize?

Will he be as good as Glendening? IDK. He'll probably end up as a 4th line, defensive specialist and penalty killer, good for 20-30 points a season. That's all he needs to be. Nothing more.

 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[AtlantaHotWings 988]

9 minutes ago, mackel said:

That won't happen, this dude still believes in Santa and Zadina.

and Santa delivers.....abit 1 day a year but does deliver.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

11 minutes ago, mackel said:

That won't happen, this dude still believes in Santa and Zadina.

But Zadina is real tho. So I don't see how that's an insult.

4 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

and Santa delivers.....abit 1 day a year but does deliver.

That would be a more appropriate costume for Riley Sheahan then.

[AtlantaHotWings 988]

26 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

But Zadina is real tho. So I don't see how that's an insult.

That would be a more appropriate costume for Riley Sheahan then.

Riley has proven he is more of teletubby....but he did deliver those big 2  goals in game 82

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

38 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Is Ehn replaceable? Yes. Everyone on this team is. That doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does. Defensive guys are a thing. They have value. 

Would he pass waivers? H-E-double hockey sticks, No!

Ehn is a far better player than Andersson or Emmerton. Those guys were mediocre across the board. They weren't good enough on either side of the puck to keep an NHL job. Ehn at least plays a solid enough defensive game at a high enough level to stick.

Will Ehn ever become more productive offensively? Who cares? He's not out there to score goals. His job is to stop the other guys from scoring. As long as he can do that, what reason does anyone have to criticize?

Will he be as good as Glendening? IDK. He'll probably end up as a 4th line, defensive specialist and penalty killer, good for 20-30 points a season. That's all he needs to be. Nothing more.

 

Ehn is already more offensively productive at 23 than Glendening is at 30.

25-30 pts a season is an overly reasonable projection as his ice-time, growth, and experience increases. You might even say it's conservative given his youth and the experience he's gathered already.

N hype is reaching new heights. Kid is cash money.

 

[marcaractac 3,963]

In the end, Ehn is not at all a problem with this team. He plays his role well, and there is zero harm in giving him a couple of seasons to see if his offense grows. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

11 hours ago, marcaractac said:

In the end, Ehn is not at all a problem with this team. He plays his role well, and there is zero harm in giving him a couple of seasons to see if his offense grows. 

I definitely don't see Ehn as a problem with this team. Far from it. I just don't see him on the team through this rebuild, unless he's able to round out his game, and add a little offense. Right now, it's nonexistent... Some of you clearly see some untapped potential there with him. I don't see it, but who knows...

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

6 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I definitely don't see Ehn as a problem with this team. Far from it. I just don't see him on the team through this rebuild, unless he's able to round out his game, and add a little offense. Right now, it's nonexistent... Some of you clearly see some untapped potential there with him. I don't see it, but who knows...

Okayyyyyy why dont you make the same argument for Glendening? Ehn scores more per min of icetime than he does.

6 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Some of you clearly see some untapped potential there with him. I don't see it, but who knows...

Another question you righteously ignore: Why don't you see potential? I've asked multiple times. If you don't like his game, what don't you like? Again if it's offense he's already at Glendening level or higher.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

You expect minimal offense out of defensive players. Defensive forwards are playing essentially the same role as defensive dmen. Noone complains if dmen don't score. I don't see why defensive forwards should be held to a higher standard.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

From Fischer via Khan

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Christoffer Ehn is heralded as a superb defensive-minded center. If his stats seem unimpressive, it is because his deployment with Frolunda HC has been akin to Luke Glendening’s employment with the Wings; Ehn takes tough draws against the top competition in his own zone in Sweden’s highest league. Any scouting report you read on Ehn fawns over his defensive play. Jiri Fischer raved “On the faceoffs and in battles, once he gets stronger, he'll be fantastic." All of this is not to say Ehn is a dearth of offensive ability. He is said to be excellent on his skates, and his playmaking ability has been applauded, especially in the neutral zone.

I would say if Ehn can get up to 210-215 lbs and mature his game where he is more aggressive and less passive the kid will be a monster, maybe even more so than Glendog.

Edited April 25, 2020 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[marcaractac 3,963]

15 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I definitely don't see Ehn as a problem with this team. Far from it. I just don't see him on the team through this rebuild, unless he's able to round out his game, and add a little offense. Right now, it's nonexistent... Some of you clearly see some untapped potential there with him. I don't see it, but who knows...

I think he showed more last season than this one. He was solid defensively since day one and put up 9 points in 60 games. Not bad for a rookie bottom 6 player. 

Basically everyone had an off year this season, so I'm not gonna hold his drop of scoring against him. It was a season where everything went wrong. 

The hope for me is that he can eventually reach his SHL scoring pace at the NHL level (translates to roughly 25 points per season). He never was a big offense producer by any means, but with some growth he can become a very good bottom 6 player, who can play center or wing. Especially if he can become a faceoff machine like LGW.  

I don't think he is a sure thing to achieve this by any means. But I do think he has shown enough that he might get there. A big factor working in his favor is his skating ability. 

[Scott R Lucidi 453]

Ehn has the 10 spot locked up.  The Wings eventually will have Bertuzzi and Mastrosimone playing alongside Ehn on the 3rd line, which will help him get to the 25 pts per that has been mentioned.  Right now, what got him on the team and what kept Zadina off the team is Ehn's 200' game.  He's a good skater and shuts down the neutral zone well.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

10 hours ago, marcaractac said:

I think he showed more last season than this one. He was solid defensively since day one and put up 9 points in 60 games. Not bad for a rookie bottom 6 player. 

Basically everyone had an off year this season, so I'm not gonna hold his drop of scoring against him. It was a season where everything went wrong. 

The hope for me is that he can eventually reach his SHL scoring pace at the NHL level (translates to roughly 25 points per season). He never was a big offense producer by any means, but with some growth he can become a very good bottom 6 player, who can play center or wing. Especially if he can become a faceoff machine like LGW.  

I don't think he is a sure thing to achieve this by any means. But I do think he has shown enough that he might get there. A big factor working in his favor is his skating ability. 

Ehn played the least amount of minutes on any given night, and he still scored just as much as Abdelkader, Perlini, and Erne... while at the same time delivering better defense than all 3 combined. And he's only 23.

Whether anyone likes it or not, this kid is poised to shoot up the depth chart. Glendening, Helm, and Filppula might all be traded next year, and Nielsen may never return to form. All of the sudden that makes Ehn - by way of necessity - a crucial center on this team. I mean there stands an honest possibility Ehn could even play 2nd line center at some point if Yzerman doesn't add NHL ready center prospects or UFA centers. Injuries, trades, and lack of depth could stick him right there in that case. Now I don't think Ehn should ever play top6, and I hope Yzerman puts other centers in those possitions, but I hope it drives home the point that this kid is prolly gonna be a 3rd line center on this team sooner rather than later.

7 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Ehn has the 10 spot locked up.  The Wings eventually will have Bertuzzi and Mastrosimone playing alongside Ehn on the 3rd line, which will help him get to the 25 pts per that has been mentioned.  Right now, what got him on the team and what kept Zadina off the team is Ehn's 200' game.  He's a good skater and shuts down the neutral zone well.

Ehn really reminds me of Helm. If he finds himself on a 3rd line with say Timashov and Zadina or something like that, we could easily be looking at a 25-30 pt forward just like Helm became for us. 

[Dabura 12,207]

Ehn seems like a good dude. I like that he's got a big frame and that he skates well and that he plays a defensively responsible game. I can't look someone in the eye and say, "Yes, I am absolutely certain that if 24-year-old Christoffer Ehn is playing on a team with Lidstrom and young Datsyuk and young Zetterberg and young Kronwall, he does not become the player Johan Franzen became." Franzen projected as a checking-line center. No one -- NO ONE -- expected him to become a gamebreaking playoff scorer.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, though. Ehn might go on to have a long, impactful career as a(n) Red Wing/NHLer. He might pot 15 goals next season and never look back. ...But I could just as easily imagine him being traded this summer to make room for, say, Rasmussen, or maybe even Pearson, or a UFA signing.

Speaking of Franzen and Swedish UFAs, the Sharks just signed Fredrik Handemark, who I was kinda hoping we'd sign.

An SHL guy I like even more than Handemark? Gustav Rydahl.

I think we should also be looking at left-handed KHL defenseman Mikko Lehtonen.

https://dobberprospects.com/2020-european-free-agents/

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This is a player who technically breaks the rules of this article because he has another year left on his KHL contract. But because he plays for the Finnish KHL team (Jokerit), some fans are wondering if the team would allow him to chase his NHL dream after mutual termination of his contract. It would be rare for such a thing to happen with a player of his caliber but the hope is that the Finnish KHL team is more reasonable than the Russian KHL teams would be. We shall see if that will be the case.

If Lehtonen manages to get his contract terminated, he immediately jumps to the top of this list by a wide margin. With 17 goals and 49 points in 60 games, Lehtonen had one of the best seasons we’ve ever seen in the KHL. He was the best defenseman in the league with a significant margin, and at age 26, it’s not too late for him to make it in the NHL. He would challenge for a third-pair role on an NHL roster immediately, and very likely get that spot as well. He could even work his way up to the second pair from there. He isn’t just a great skater and a great offensive player but he’s also pretty solid defensively and has decent size (6-0, 196) as well.

But first he would need to get that KHL contract terminated before any of that is possible. Even if that doesn’t happen, he has said he’ll give the NHL a chance after next season, so perhaps this is a name to remember for the summer of 2021.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

22 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Ehn seems like a good dude. I like that he's got a big frame and that he skates well and that he plays a defensively responsible game. I can't look someone in the eye and say, "Yes, I am absolutely certain that if 24-year-old Christoffer Ehn is playing on a team with Lidstrom and young Datsyuk and young Zetterberg and young Kronwall, he does not become the player Johan Franzen became." Franzen projected as a checking-line center. No one -- NO ONE -- expected him to become a gamebreaking playoff scorer.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, though. Ehn might go on to have a long, impactful career as a(n) Red Wing/NHLer. He might pot 15 goals next season and never look back. ...But I could just as easily imagine him being traded this summer to make room for, say, Rasmussen, or maybe even Pearson, or a UFA signing.

Speaking of Franzen and Swedish UFAs, the Sharks just signed Fredrik Handemark, who I was kinda hoping we'd sign.

An SHL guy I like even more than Handemark? Gustav Rydahl.

I think we should also be looking at left-handed KHL defenseman Mikko Lehtonen.

https://dobberprospects.com/2020-european-free-agents/

Sadly I really think Ehn is doomed to be our exposed player at the Seattle entry draft.

How much would you rather have a $1 mil, 20 pt, checking line Nosek instead of a $3 mil, 20 pt, Filppula right now?

Franzen at least showed that flash of offensive brilliance in his draft year. Ehn's never really been a scorer anywhere. He looks like a younger Swedish Glendening to me.

My impression with Handemark was Yzerman ended with Kadeykin instead. Maybe that's because Handemark chose the Sharks instead or because Kadeykin is actually better, IDK. It's too bad, I would've taken both.

Lehtonen sounds good. I'll allow it.

 

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[Dabura 12,207]

14 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Sadly I really think Ehn is doomed to be our exposed player at the Seattle entry draft.

How much would you rather have a $1 mil, 20 pt, checking line Nosek instead of a $3 mil, 20 pt, Filppula right now?

Franzen at least showed that flash of offensive brilliance in his draft year. Ehn's never really been a scorer anywhere. He looks like a younger Swedish Glendening to me.

My impression with Handemark was Yzerman ended with Kadeykin instead. Maybe that's because Handemark chose the Sharks instead or because Kadeykin is actually better, IDK. It's too bad, I would've taken both.

Lehtonen sounds good. I'll allow it.

I'd be ok with Ehn being our Seattle guy. I'm kinda surprised that it would bum you out. Do we...do we stan Christoffer Ehn now? Is that a thing?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, Dabura said:

Ehn seems like a good dude. I like that he's got a big frame and that he skates well and that he plays a defensively responsible game. I can't look someone in the eye and say, "Yes, I am absolutely certain that if 24-year-old Christoffer Ehn is playing on a team with Lidstrom and young Datsyuk and young Zetterberg and young Kronwall, he does not become the player Johan Franzen became." Franzen projected as a checking-line center. No one -- NO ONE -- expected him to become a gamebreaking playoff scorer.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, though. Ehn might go on to have a long, impactful career as a(n) Red Wing/NHLer. He might pot 15 goals next season and never look back. ...But I could just as easily imagine him being traded this summer to make room for, say, Rasmussen, or maybe even Pearson, or a UFA signing.

Speaking of Franzen and Swedish UFAs, the Sharks just signed Fredrik Handemark, who I was kinda hoping we'd sign.

An SHL guy I like even more than Handemark? Gustav Rydahl.

 

Bring back the Goose gifs.

27 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I'd be ok with Ehn being our Seattle guy. I'm kinda surprised that it would bum you out. Do we...do we stan Christoffer Ehn now? Is that a thing?

Haven't you been paying attention?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

On 4/23/2020 at 3:50 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Ehn is already more offensively productive at 23 than Glendening is at 30.

25-30 pts a season is an overly reasonable projection as his ice-time, growth, and experience increases. You might even say it's conservative given his youth and the experience he's gathered already.

N hype is reaching new heights. Kid is cash money.

I think you're more optimistic than I am. While I think he'll be a valuable defensive forward, I think Draper would be a huge reach. Draper showed some offensive skills in juniors, IIRC. Ehn has never shown that. I think 3rd line C is a reach too. I think a reliable, cost effective 4C is probably where he ends up.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

36 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I'd be ok with Ehn being our Seattle guy. I'm kinda surprised that it would bum you out. Do we...do we stan Christoffer Ehn now? Is that a thing?

It'll be bittersweet when I have to follow N to Seattle and change my allegiance.

But it will all be worth it when N is dunking on the Red Wings with the Seattle Sustainable Whalers in their first year

2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I think you're more optimistic than I am. While I think he'll be a valuable defensive forward, I think Draper would be a huge reach. Draper showed some offensive skills in juniors, IIRC. Ehn has never shown that. I think 3rd line C is a reach too. I think a reliable, cost effective 4C is probably where he ends up.

I've compared Ehn to Draper and said he might play 2nd line center, and in no way will I acknowledge that I'm getting in over my head.

[Scott R Lucidi 453]

That Rydahl is so hot right now.

[Dabura 12,207]

15 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

It'll be bittersweet when I have to follow N to Seattle and change my allegiance.

But it will all be worth it when N is dunking on the Red Wings with the Seattle Sustainable Whalers in their first year

I've compared Ehn to Draper and said he might play 2nd line center, and in no way will I acknowledge that I'm getting in over my head.

Side note: Gary Thorne was the GOAT.

SCOOOOOOORE
KRIS DRAAAPERRRRRRRRR

[marcaractac 3,963]

16 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

It'll be bittersweet when I have to follow N to Seattle and change my allegiance.

But it will all be worth it when N is dunking on the Red Wings with the Seattle Sustainable Whalers in their first year

I've compared Ehn to Draper and said he might play 2nd line center, and in no way will I acknowledge that I'm getting in over my head.

Dat Lafreniere/Ehn combo confirmed

[Akakabuto 1,751]

6 hours ago, marcaractac said:

Dat Lafreniere/Ehn combo confirmed

Cant wait to watch Lafreniere turn Ehn into a Hall of Famer

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

So nvm we're not getting Kadeykin