2020 Offseason

[kipwinger 8,756]

34 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

80 points at 16 years old, 105 points at 17. Played in a league with less scoring overall. 

Not trying to s*** on Rossi here. But we will see several players who go later in the first round (and probably the second round) put up seasons like he just did, as they'll be older players in a league of teenagers. 

Rossi will probably make an NHL roster before Perfetti. But I do, at this point, feel Perfetti has a higher ceiling. 

In the end, I'm still hoping for either Byfield or Stutzle to drop or take Drysdale, so it's all moot really.

I'm not sure what difference these numbers make. Lafreniere (like Rossi) would have always been one of the olders players, relative to his peers, irrespective of which Jr. year he was playing. So he would have always been one of the older 16, 17, or 18 year olds. Same as Rossi.

You're free to attribute Lafreniere's dominance to his otherwordly talent, and Rossi's to age, if you like. But I'd counter that the only reason Rossi didn't put up insane numbers a year ago (his only other CHL season) is because he was switching from European hockey to NA hockey, and pretty much everyone agrees that trasition is hard. Put him in NA when he was 15 and he'd have dominated here too. Similarly, he's consistently lauded for his defensive game. Not too hard to imagine him outscoring guys like Lafreniere or Perfetti if he didn't bother playing defense.

Finally, the "lower scoring" argument for the QMJHL is a bit silly. All the leagues in the CHL play by exactly the same rules, there are no differences in game play. As a result, the "highest scoring" and "lowest scoring" leagues change almost annually depending on the talent in the league in any given year. Not too long ago the QMJHL was considered the "all offense" league.

Edited September 29, 2020 by kipwinger

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

36 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

well, shoot, so much for Boston trading Krug yesterday...either Boston wanted too much (TSN (I think) had mentioned that it may only cost a 5th round pick though) or Krug's agent was telling all interested teams that he is testing the market no matter what. Either way, lets get going with some more trades Yzerman! 

Eriksson and Podko!

Stepan and Hayton!

Tatar and Caufield! (how do feel about that one?)

Boychuk and Wahlstrom!

Palat and Foote!

Let's do some more! We need assets!

Habs arent getting rid of caufield to trade tatar , foote is gone

[F.Michael 4,590]

22 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said:

Well it's not my fav or anything but it's better than the effeminate Pet Shop Boys or Prince that I'm used to from you Gen X schmucks

Even though you're new around these parts - I just can't help, but to think that we might've crossed paths sometime ago.

 

[LeftWinger 5,131]

36 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Habs arent getting rid of caufield to trade tatar , foote is gone

Cal Foote.....Nolan Foote was traded to NJ. Tampa drafted both Foote's (Feet )

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Cal Foote.....Nolan Foote was traded to NJ. Tampa drafted both Foote's (Feet )

Haha Ya your right my bad , been pushing so long for cal foote and forgot about him... cant see tb trading him now they’ll need cheap contracts and hes a rd which theyll need ... we also have seider hronek tuomisto on the right side so i dont think its an urgency right now

maybe since yzerman built the team and has a relationship with brisebois he might be able to get their first rd pick in a deal , cirelli as well would be nice but i cant see them not having finding a way to keep him

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 hour ago, CatBoyRossi said:

NYR Buying Out Lundqvist

Tampa trying to shed $10 million in cap space

As I mentioned earlier - might not be the 'best' move - but why keep Stamkos around?

Find a taker for what's left of his contract (4 years at $8.5 aav), and make Hedman the 'C'.

May not be a popular decision, but why not try to move Stamkos while he still has some trade value?

If King Henrik can be bought out in NYR...

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 minute ago, CatBoyRossi said:

Yeah the article seems to indicate that their may be surprises by who Tampa moves...

They certainly didn't need Stamkos to win it all for them.

For the 'right price' - I wouldn't mind seeing Stamkos finishing his career in Detroit...Meaning I have no idea what Grand Master Y would have to send to Tampa for the guy...Hopefully it wouldn't be anything more than a guy like Mantha, and some 'future consideration'.

[kipwinger 8,756]

22 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

For the 'right price' - I wouldn't mind seeing Stamkos finishing his career in Detroit...Meaning I have no idea what Grand Master Y would have to send to Tampa for the guy...Hopefully it wouldn't be anything more than a guy like Mantha, and some 'future consideration'.

They're trying to clear space so I think all they'd want are futures. I'm thinking Veleno/Rasmussen + 2020 2nd + 2021 2nd. It doesn't really fit our timeline, but he's a hell of a player, and it would completely change the dynamic of our rebuild. Plus, it basically legitimizes Detroit as a reasonable UFA destination going forward. If we could get him for something like what I mentioned above I'd probably not complain too much. This top six isn't too shabby.

Stamkos-Larkin-Mantha

Bert-Rossi-Zadina

 

 

[F.Michael 4,590]

6 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

They're trying to clear space so I think all they'd want are futures. I'm thinking Veleno/Rasmussen + 2020 2nd + 2021 2nd. It doesn't really fit our timeline, but he's a hell of a player, and it would completely change the dynamic of our rebuild. Plus, it basically legitimizes Detroit as a reasonable UFA destination going forward. If we could get him for something like what I mentioned above I'd probably not complain too much. This top six isn't too shabby.

Stamkos-Larkin-Mantha

Bert-Perfetti-Zadina

 

 

A healthy Stamkos vs an oft-injured Stamkos would see a significant difference on what Yzerman would have to send to his former team.

Right now I can't see Bolts GM Brisebois making huge demands, but as you mentioned multiple draft picks, and probably a young roster player/s might be all that it takes from Detroit...Maybe they could command more from another franchise if they were to take on Stamkos' contract?

 

[kipwinger 8,756]

3 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

A healthy Stamkos vs an oft-injured Stamkos would see a significant difference on what Yzerman would have to send to his former team.

Right now I can't see Bolts GM Brisebois making huge demands, but as you mentioned multiple draft picks, and probably a young roster player/s might be all that it takes from Detroit...Maybe they could command more from another franchise if they were to take on Stamkos' contract?

 

That's the thing, because of the flat cap there aren't too many teams can afford to take on that contract. If they really want him traded this offseason we're one of the only teams that could accommodate the cap hit.

[Akakabuto 1,842]

1 hour ago, CatBoyRossi said:

Friedman: Capitals are trying to move contracts out so they can afford to keep Dman Dillon

Did not read the link, but maybe Hagelin? If he still got that speed...

[F.Michael 4,590]

Grand Master Y on Spittin Chicklets...

 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

3 hours ago, F.Michael said:

For the 'right price' - I wouldn't mind seeing Stamkos finishing his career in Detroit...Meaning I have no idea what Grand Master Y would have to send to Tampa for the guy...Hopefully it wouldn't be anything more than a guy like Mantha, and some 'future consideration'.

Stamkos can pop 40 so its not like theyd be giving us a 1st and foote to take on stamkos , whoever gets stamkos(uf hes moved) itll end up being a hockey deal

Edited September 30, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture

[kipwinger 8,756]

5 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Stamkos can pop 40 so its not like theyd be giving us a 1st and foote to take on stamkos , whoever gets stamkos(uf hes moved) itll end up being a hockey deal

What do you mean by hockey deal? Because traditionally that means giving something of equal value in a 1 for 1 trade. But the whole point of trading Stamkos would be to clear cap space, so they can't really take on anything of equal value. It would have to be futures.

 

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40 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

What do you mean by hockey deal? Because traditionally that means giving something of equal value in a 1 for 1 trade. But the whole point of trading Stamkos would be to clear cap space, so they can't really take on anything of equal value. It would have to be futures.

 

Just meant it wont be tampa giving stamkos + assets ... whoever gets stamkos will have to pay up

[Akakabuto 1,842]

 

It’s about to get crazy in the NHL.

“Oh geez, it is crazy,” said one NHL general manager on Tuesday. The Stanley Cup has been awarded. The draft is less than a week away and teams still have to completely reshape their rosters. The problem, lamented the GM, is it’s hard to establish pricing right now. The traditional price paid, from a free agent to a trade, is out the window because teams are strapped. Budgets are kicking in.

And still. Everyone wants to get better.

“That jams everybody up for everything. You have to get creative,” said another GM on Tuesday afternoon. “You end up doing things you wouldn’t have thought. That’s what’s going on.”

• Red Wings GM Steve Yzerman has been taking care of business and made it clear that Detroit is willing to add salary to acquire more young assets for the rebuild. One thing that will help clarify how much he can spend on that front is a new contract for restricted free agent Anthony Mantha. Talks have progressed on that front and are moving in the right direction. It wouldn’t be surprising if that contract is shorter than originally thought. If he were to do a, let’s say, three-year extension, that would allow him to hit free agency before he’s 30 and in a time where there should be more clarity on the financial landscape of the league.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Looks like mantha will be moved soon enough folks, prepare yourselves . Might not be now but i can see yzerman dealing by this deadline or next id he gets what he wants

[LeftWinger 5,131]

Ya, I think that both Mantha and Bertuzzi will opt for 3 year deals...which could mean, they may not cost as much as we once thought. Give us a deal now, and get $$$$$$$$ come UFA.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 minute ago, CatBoyRossi said:

TBH how is this fair? Teams have internal caps kicking in where some (good) teams can't even afford to go north of $70 million. But Yzerman can just ice a crap team and load up and max out his cap. And probably even go over with LTIR contracts.

I mean I get it, Little Caesars did well during Covid and made an NHL-wide exclusive pizza deal, so we can afford it. But c'mon... this isn't parity. We are unfairly reaping rewards because our capitalist owner can simply out spend other teams during trying times. If we reorganize draft picks so the worst teams get the best picks why are we not redistributing money so other teams get the same to spend?

It's pretty much bull s*** when you think about it. Even if it does benefit the Red Wings. But folks will just say we bought our cups (again), and we will always have that asterisk. For once I'd like to not "buy a cup".

People will be too busy eating pizza to notice whats going on

[LeftWinger 5,131]

1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Looks like mantha will be moved soon enough folks, prepare yourselves . Might not be now but i can see yzerman dealing by this deadline or next id he gets what he wants

Ok, lets say for a minute that this is happening, to whom and what return would you expect? I certainly hope NOT to Tampa for Stamkos.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Just now, CatBoyRossi said:

Yup 3 year extension means Yzerman doesn't see much of a future here for Mantha in my mind. Will probably be traded in 2 years before he hits FA in his prime.

Im sure he sees a future , not just at 7-10 per which is what mantha probably thinks he can be and he wont risk mantha leaving for nothing so if someone makes an offer to good to say no to , adios 

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Just now, LeftWinger said:

Ok, lets say for a minute that this is happening, to whom and what return would you expect? I certainly hope NOT to Tampa for Stamkos.

We’re rebuilding and they need to save cap space so no lol

probably multiple picks, top prospects one would hope .... all depends if he explodes and goes off for 40 , his value will sky rocket

 

as for tyler i think he’ll be easier to get signed for 5/6 yrs ... if we give him 4-5.25 per he’ll sign, and id offer him the money

Just now, CatBoyRossi said:

If Mantha and Bertuzzi both want to be greedy f***s then they should be traded. I don't much care anyway. We need the draft picks coming back so we can draft players who can actually build a wining culture.

Theres only so much pizza can buy us , we’ll need to ice some bodies who aren’t senior citizens ah la eriksson

[LeftWinger 5,131]

I most certainly would trade Mantha to Tampa in a Stamkos deal if I am getting something else back. Maybe not a 1st, but something else value.

Edited September 30, 2020 by LeftWinger

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Just now, LeftWinger said:

I most certainly would trade Mantha to Tampa in a Stamkos deal if I am getting something else back. Maybe not a 1st, maybe not Raddish, but something.

Na , doesnt speed up the rebuild progress, we just got a forward who aged 4 yrs basically... tampa isnt a match ... anyways its not like mantha would be dealt tomorrow ,if hes here x3 he can probably play out the season

[kipwinger 8,756]

29 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Just meant it wont be tampa giving stamkos + assets ... whoever gets stamkos will have to pay up

Yeah, totally agree. They don't NEED to dump him and he's still got TONS of value.

 

4 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I most certainly would trade Mantha to Tampa in a Stamkos deal if I am getting something else back. Maybe not a 1st, but something else value.

Again, any trade for Stamkos would be a cap dump. They don't want to take a big contract back I'm sure. They'd want futures/prospects.

 

4 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Na , doesnt speed up the rebuild progress, we just got a forward who aged 4 yrs basically... tampa isnt a match ... anyways its not like mantha would be dealt tomorrow ,if hes here x3 he can probably play out the season

I'd definitely do it if the ask was futures. First, he's a genuine difference maker who would help us win games. Second, in doing so he makes us more desirable for UFAs. Third, if nothing changes you trade him to a contender 3 years from now for a haul because he'll still be able to score at 33 years old. For Veleno/Rasmussen and two 2nds I'd do it.