Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted August 21, 2021 Veleno is Darren Helm without hands. Yes, WITHOUT hands. He will make Helm look like Ovechkin. Berggren will get his spine snapped in his second game. Lucas Raymond is a stupid-ass name. He is a career ECHLer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dabura said: Veleno is Darren Helm without hands. Yes, WITHOUT hands. He will make Helm look like Ovechkin. Berggren will get his spine snapped in his second game. Lucas Raymond is a stupid-ass name. He is a career ECHLer. Seider is a puzzified v. of Johnny E. All joking aside, if Veleno can be a young Helm, that would be better than nothing. Edited August 21, 2021 by The 91 of Ryans 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted August 21, 2021 Veleno is the whipping boy? Because he's Catholic? 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted August 21, 2021 14 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: All joking aside, if Veleno can be a young Helm, that would be better than nothing. If Veleno becomes the best 3rd line center in the league Im happy. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Akakabuto said: If Veleno becomes the best 3rd line center in the league Im happy. A couple things would need to happen first. 1. Veleno would need to learn how to actually play center well in a professional league 2. Rasmussen would have to get hit by bus. It would need to be an extra large bus. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted August 21, 2021 18 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Seider is a puzzified v. of Johnny E. All joking aside, if Veleno can be a young Helm, that would be better than nothing. 3 hours ago, Akakabuto said: If Veleno becomes the best 3rd line center in the league Im happy. I'd be happy with vintage Helm / best 3C in the league because it would mean we'd found our new Datsyuk and/or Zetterberg. A team's only as deep as its top players allow it to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,135 Report post Posted August 22, 2021 and in other news... https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2021/08/former-red-wings-top-pick-evgeny-svechnikov-signs-with-winnipegs-ahl-club.html 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 11:55 AM, Scott R Lucidi said: Veleno is the whipping boy? Because he's Catholic? People hate Veleno because Ras is taller. They get a hard on for size much like most GMs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted August 22, 2021 4 hours ago, marcaractac said: People hate Veleno because Ras is taller. They get a hard on for size much like most GMs. he is still young. gotta be patient Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, marcaractac said: People hate Veleno because Ras is taller. They get a hard on for size much like most GMs. Is popping boners for a guy who had big numbers in a high scoring Q league 3 seasons ago really any better? Edited August 22, 2021 by The 91 of Ryans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 23, 2021 11 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Is popping boners for a guy who had big numbers in a high scoring Q league 3 seasons ago really any better? You see, some people can be realistic and realize both players can be big contributors to the team going forward. Believe it or not, it does not have to be one or the other. Crazy concept, I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, marcaractac said: You see, some people can be realistic and realize both players can be big contributors to the team going forward. Believe it or not, it does not have to be one or the other. Crazy concept, I know. Damn Stevie taking away all of our scapegoats so that we have to create new ones! 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Akakabuto said: Damn Stevie taking away all of our scapegoats so that we have to create new ones! We still have Dekeyser for another season! 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 23, 2021 5 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: The way I see it is this: Dmen: Guaranteed lineup spot: Leddy + Hronek (2) Fighting for position in the lineup: Dekeyser + Staal + Oesterle + Stecher + Lindstrom + Seider (6) The wings may opt to run 8 Dmen until injuries roll in. But I'd honestly be fine running Seider up and down as the #1 call-up until that inevitably happens. If Seider is just way too good to do that I'm absolutely fine with waiving Dekeyser. His lofty contracts guarantees he won't be claimed, plus he's already passed through waivers last year, and he sucks. So let's just assume the Wings will run 7 Dmen and 14 forwards for the time being... Forwards: Guaranteed lineup spot: Larkin + Vrana + Suter + Bertuzzi + Fabbri + Erne + Names + Ras + Zadina (9) Fighting for position in the lineup: Gagner + Stephens + Smith + Veleno + Raymond + Berggren + Pearson + Hirose (8) That's 5 spots left for 8 players. And it seems more than likely the Wings will keep Gagner/Stephens/Smith on the roster due to waivers. Leaving 2 spots left for Veleno/Raymond/Berggren/Pearson/Hirose. Raymond and Berggren are the uber talented young offensive guys. They're basically going to have to prove they can score at will in the NHL right away, because they're probably not fit for bottom 6 grinding roles yet. Hirose is a dark horse here, because he's offensively talented and older. If he put on the weight this summer he could vie for a position. Pearson and Veleno have the advantage of being more fit for the bottom 6. Pearson is bigger and older and Veleno is more experienced and beefed up. If the young euros can't blow our tops off, then these two are more fit for limited roles. Again, Hirose is a dark horse, if he can prove he's not a small pushover anymore he could steal a spot here. Ideally I'd like to see this: Raymond and Pearson earn the last two spots. All Larkin needed was draft+1 and Raymond is in that spot now. Pearson is 24 as of today (happy birthday) and appears to be poised to become a solid bottom 6 center for us. Berggren is too small and needs NA seasoning. Veleno I'd like to see develop a more consistent offensive game and confidence at the lower level before becoming full-time. Hirose is a darkhorse and probably doesn't realistically earn a spot. If Hirose hasnt bulked up by now, he never will. Larkin also played in North America the whole time and went from U of M to the NHL. As far as I know, Raymond has only played in Europe. I don't think Larkin's trajectory is a good comparable for making the jump to the NHL without time in the AHL first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 24, 2021 It would be disappointing if Seider isnt on the roster. Not sure why both Oesterle and Staal were signed if all of Leddy, Lindstrom, Hronek, Stecher, DD and Seider were already on the roster, and would have to be waived to be sent down. I hope Seider is on the roster and DD gets waived instead of carrying 8 dmen. I would then add Witkowski as the 14th forward. 2 Rick D and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: It would be disappointing if Seider isnt on the roster. Not sure why both Oesterle and Staal were signed if all of Leddy, Lindstrom, Hronek, Stecher, DD and Seider were already on the roster, and would have to be waived to be sent down. I hope Seider is on the roster and DD gets waived instead of carrying 8 dmen. I would then add Witkowski as the 14th forward. Winning the best Dman award in the SHL is pretty comparable to that of the AHL's Eddie Shore award...He needs to play in Detroit - starting in GR would be a slap in the face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted August 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Winning the best Dman award in the SHL is pretty comparable to that of the AHL's Eddie Shore award...He needs to play in Detroit - starting in GR would be a slap in the face. Seider aint going anywhere now. Neither is Veleno. Both are Wings for good. 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted August 24, 2021 So, are the Red Wings gonna sign Hronek or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: So, are the Red Wings gonna sign Hronek or not? Probably not the easiest negotiation after the contracts idiots like Holland gave Nurse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,135 Report post Posted August 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, marcaractac said: Probably not the easiest negotiation after the contracts idiots like Holland gave Nurse. Quick side by side Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: That said, I really think Hronek would be posting close to 50+ pt pace seasons if he played for the Oilers... No doubt considering he is basically a .50 ppg player on this team. Edited August 25, 2021 by Akakabuto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,135 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 In other offseason news...... https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2021/08/former-red-wing-valtteri-filppula-signs-with-swiss-team.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 16 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said: Quick side by side Not sure what point you're trying to make here. I never said Hronek was on par with nurse offensively. I'm saying Nurse's massive overpayment is gonna affect the market for dmen as a whole. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) I sure was hoping Hronek would come in under $6M, but as stated, the market is going to dictate to overpay him. But in reality he was only on a pace for 38 points last season, total points in total games played in his 3 years thus far is around 47 avg. I sure hope he'll give us a bridge for 2-3 years, but I doubt it. He may be the problem child when it comes to signing. Of course, Yzerman could give him the $7M and then deal him away at the TDL, like Mr. Mantha after he signed the bigger deal. I'll take an offer sheet from someone for about $7.5M to be honest. Here is the compensation and the teams that have the required picks to offer such a contract to an RFA: ...I honestly like that compensation, I'd offer sheet EP40 the max $8.2M to either get him or force Vancouver to match, thus rendering them very unable to re-sign Quinn Hughes this season. Unless Hughes would take a 1 year contract on the CHEAP. Edited July 22, 2022 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 768 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I sure was hoping Hronek would come in under $6M, but as stated, the market is going to dictate to overpay him. But in reality he was only on a pace for 38 points last season, total points in total games played in his 3 years thus far is around 47 avg. I sure hope he'll give us a bridge for 2-3 years, but I doubt it. He may be the problem child when it comes to signing. Of course, Yzerman could give him the $7M and then deal him away at the TDL, like Mr. Mantha after he signed the bigger deal. I'll take an offer sheet from someone for about $7.5M to be honest. Here is the compensation and the teams that have the required picks to offer such a contract to an RFA: ...I honestly like that compensation, I'd offer sheet EP40 the max $8.2M to either get him or force Vancouver to match, thus rendering them very unable to re-sign Quinn Hughes this season. Unless Hughes would take a 1 year contract on the CHEAP. Why hasn't NJ tried to sign Quinn? They would have all of the Hughes brothers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
