New New Prospects Thread

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On 7/14/2025 at 8:59 PM, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Wheeler does his rankings of top 100 prospects:

Tier 1 & 2 = the top 15 prospects = Wings have 0

Tier 3 = Wings have 1 player = ASP

Tier 4 = Wings have 3 players = MBN + Danielson + Bear

Tier 5 = Wings have 0

Dont think he factors in goalies

Lemme guess, the top of Wheeler's list is full of 5'11 finesse players that were drafted in the last year? That guy is such a pud and his biases are pretty obvious at this point.

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Does anyone else think we got a really good one in Carter Bear? I didn’t follow the draft closely this year and didn’t know too much about him going into things but the more I read the more I really like this kid. He’s still go so much filling out to do too. He’ll play at 6’1 and 195 lbs with legit skill and grit. I love this pick.

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10 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Does anyone else think we got a really good one in Carter Bear? I didn’t follow the draft closely this year and didn’t know too much about him going into things but the more I read the more I really like this kid. He’s still go so much filling out to do too. He’ll play at 6’1 and 195 lbs with legit skill and grit. I love this pick.

Pretty much

I posted b4 the draft that I wanted Eklund if he slips, but if he didnt then carter bear or the kid from arizona state: potter. 

Eklund did slip and we didnt take him, but thats okay, i only liked him bc he seemed like the only bonafide top 6 fwd that could slip to us. Eklund is a berggren type soft euro forward who looked to be going high (so maybe a mistake zadina type pick on my part)

I liked Bear and Potter after that for more tactical reasons. Their both big engine physical players that muck and grind. And thats what i want this team to add. Thanks Steve.

In Bear's case, he has a very boring offensive game per say, but he does have an offensive game... He can pass. He can shoot. He's never gonna wow you with eithee, but he can get the job done.

His advantage is the physical side. And i think when folks read this they think I mean "he wrecks ppl". He doesnt. He's more a heavy forechecker - like a sam bennet - that goes deep in the zone and dominates corners and gains turnovers. 

Like a Maple Leafs Zach Hyman. Goes to the puck battle. Wins. Kicks it out to Marner (Raymond) and then he sends it to Matthews (Debrincat) for the goal. 

Having the puck carrier and puck shooter is important, but having a puck retreiver (Bear) is also important.

Yzerman has gone down the Lions path lately. Drafting for grit/determination/hustle instead of raw talent. I like this. In the cap world you cant build superteams of pure talent anymore. You get the stars you can and then give them a supporting staff of DOGS. 

BIG DOGS. You wanna pizz like a puppy you stay on the porch, big dogs go inside and eat. 

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4 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Pretty much

I posted b4 the draft that I wanted Eklund if he slips, but if he didnt then carter bear or the kid from arizona state: potter. 

Eklund did slip and we didnt take him, but thats okay, i only liked him bc he seemed like the only bonafide top 6 fwd that could slip to us. Eklund is a berggren type soft euro forward who looked to be going high (so maybe a mistake zadina type pick on my part)

I liked Bear and Potter after that for more tactical reasons. Their both big engine physical players that muck and grind. And thats what i want this team to add. Thanks Steve.

In Bear's case, he has a very boring offensive game per say, but he does have an offensive game... He can pass. He can shoot. He's never gonna wow you with eithee, but he can get the job done.

His advantage is the physical side. And i think when folks read this they think I mean "he wrecks ppl". He doesnt. He's more a heavy forechecker - like a sam bennet - that goes deep in the zone and dominates corners and gains turnovers. 

Like a Maple Leafs Zach Hyman. Goes to the puck battle. Wins. Kicks it out to Marner (Raymond) and then he sends it to Matthews (Debrincat) for the goal. 

Having the puck carrier and puck shooter is important, but having a puck retreiver (Bear) is also important.

Yzerman has gone down the Lions path lately. Drafting for grit/determination/hustle instead of raw talent. I like this. In the cap world you cant build superteams of pure talent anymore. You get the stars you can and then give them a supporting staff of DOGS. 

BIG DOGS. You wanna pizz like a puppy you stay on the porch, big dogs go inside and eat. 

I agree with all that, but I also think it's selling his skill a little short. Every hockey fan (I know this isn't what you're saying) thinks skill = flash and he's certainly not that. But that's a bogus premise. He's got "pro style" skills. Who cares if you can dipsy doodle with the puck (a la Tomas Jurco) if you can't do it consistently in a game ya know? Who cares if you're fast as greased lightening (a la Andreas Athanasiou) if it only factors in when you're on a breakaway? Over the years I've learned to really value pro-style skill and I'm pretty skeptical of the Youtube highlight players. If you can't fight win board battles to maintain possession or fight through checks to jump on rebounds then your value is pretty limited in the NHL, regardless of how cute your stick handling is.

It reminds me of all these college football quarterbacks (e.g. Vick, Tebow, RGIII, Newton, Young, etc.) that have success in the NCAA playing a way that will never EVER work in the NFL. Who cares if you can rush for a billion yards if you can't throw? The NFL is a passing league. If you can't pass it doesn't matter how great your rushing is because your team will lose more than it wins.

Edited Friday at 12:45 PM by kipwinger

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2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I agree with all that, but I also think it's selling his skill a little short. Every hockey fan (I know this isn't what you're saying) thinks skill = flash and he's certainly not that. But that's a bogus premise. He's got "pro style" skills. Who cares if you can dipsy doodle with the puck (a la Tomas Jurco) if you can't do it consistently in a game ya know? Who cares if you're fast as greased lightening (a la Andreas Athanasiou) if it only factors in when you're on a breakaway? Over the years I've learned to really value pro-style skill and I'm pretty skeptical of the Youtube highlight players. If you can't fight win board battles to maintain possession or fight through checks to jump on rebounds then your value is pretty limited in the NHL, regardless of how cute your stick handling is.

It reminds me of all these college football quarterbacks (e.g. Vick, Tebow, RGIII, Newton, Young, etc.) that have success in the NCAA playing a way that will never EVER work in the NFL. Who cares if you can rush for a billion yards if you can't throw? The NFL is a passing league. If you can't pass it doesn't matter how great your rushing is because your team will lose more than it wins.

Yeah

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I really like the two-way pro-style of Bear and Danielson and hope they grow as Kasper has.   Add in Mazur, MBN  and hopefully a completely dedicated Sodapop and we're looking good for grit with talent.    If we can hit on the offensive upside of  Buch,  Plante, Kiiskinen or Lombardi....  even better.

Edited Saturday at 02:59 PM by town123

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2 hours ago, town123 said:

I really like the two-way pro-style of Bear and Danielson and hope they grow as Kasper has.   Add in Mazur, MBN  and hopefully a completely dedicated Sodapop and we're looking good for grit with talent.    If we can hit on the offensive upside of  Buch,  Plante, Kiiskinen or Lombardi....  even better.

I agree and think Plante, in particular, is going to be a very good center in the NHL.  Like, I think he’s going to be one of those “how did he fall to the 2nd round” sort of guys. 

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2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I agree and think Plante, in particular, is going to be a very good center in the NHL.  Like, I think he’s going to be one of those “how did he fall to the 2nd round” sort of guys. 

No doubt. Plante looks like a monster. As an 18 year old freshmen he was BY FAR the best player for Minny-Duluth, and that program has been BAD the last few years... so it's not like their were great seniors around him propping him up. 

His passing/playmaking ability is way above-average and his hustle is phenomenal. He's absolutely going to be a hobey baker finalist this coming season, and he's probably going to win it too...

In case anyone doesn't remember from draft day, this is the kid who's dad is a coach, grandfathers a coach, and probably his dog is a coach too. He lives in rinks, and when he does go home he said he and his dad immedately flip on hockey and ONLY watch hockey.

We took him at #47 but he's already performing like he shouldve been a top15 pick. 

This is one prospect i have almost 100% faith WILL be an NHLer. He's a fuqqin hungry dog on the ice. And I think he could very well make Danielson and Lombardi expendable at the center position, and not the other way around. 

Only thing one could possibly neg him on is his size, but I give absolutely no shidts about it. He battles like a honey badger.

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5 hours ago, town123 said:

I really like the two-way pro-style of Bear and Danielson and hope they grow as Kasper has.   Add in Mazur, MBN  and hopefully a completely dedicated Sodapop and we're looking good for grit with talent.    If we can hit on the offensive upside of  Buch,  Plante, Kiiskinen or Lombardi....  even better.

Kiiskinen is the other prospect I hold in the same regard as Plante.

With guys like Buchnelikov, Lombardi, etc, you see the hype, but you still wonder if it will translate. 

Kiiskinen is going to translate. Another absolute DOG status prospect. Skates, bangs, turns pucks over, just plain wills things to happen through sheer determination. 

After the trade I thought Gibson looked really good at Preds dev camp last year, but then he played like dog shidt when he returned to the OHL. He's not gonna earn a spot on a Trotz team, and that trade is going to come out looking amazing for Yzerman. 

It will be an absolute travesty if Kissdog goes back to Finland next year, which it sounds like is what is happening... i hope he comes into preseason camp and the wings wake the fuq up and realize he HAS to be in GR preparing to earn an NHL spot NOW. 

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Yall know me, my track record on prospects is pretty decent... i fought on the slopes and highest peaks to defend the Seider pick and Ty Bertuzzi pick when others doubted. And I bashed guys like Jurco, Cholowski, and Zadina the moment I saw them take GR ice...

And if you still have any faith in your old pal #9/CRL/DonHakan/BarkBurgerman/(fake)BlueAdams/Walman6million/Gwinder/ and 100 other names Ive used that I cant remember.... then trust me when I say:

This filthy roster needs to be placed into gynecology stirrups, its azzhole braced open, and Jesse Kiiskinen and Max Plante need to be directly inserted like an enema, that will clean out the remaining shidt. 

Sorry not sorry for that image. 

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Can anyone unsee this?   

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7 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I agree and think Plante, in particular, is going to be a very good center in the NHL.  Like, I think he’s going to be one of those “how did he fall to the 2nd round” sort of guys. 

I think Emmett Finnie is a guy to watch... I think he could develop into a 2nd/3rd line scorer. 

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6 hours ago, town123 said:

Can anyone unsee this?   

Anyone with actual morals departed LGW years ago. You're still here because youre a hardcore sicko just like the rest of us.

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Tonne of specs on O and very few on D.   Is this the big SY strategy of filling our roster with trades or FA  Dmen?   

 

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2 hours ago, town123 said:

Tonne of specs on O and very few on D.   Is this the big SY strategy of filling our roster with trades or FA  Dmen?   

 

They drafted a lot of D but missed on most of the ones outside of the top 10.

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2 minutes ago, mackel said:

They drafted a lot of D but missed on most of the ones outside of the top 10.

You're probably right.   It just seems like they are drafting that certain type of forward with brains, compete and 200' game and seem to be developing them sort of well.   Maybe it's the development or tutoring of the Dmen that's the problem?   Or it could just be underwhelming draft scouting.

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21 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

No doubt. Plante looks like a monster. As an 18 year old freshmen he was BY FAR the best player for Minny-Duluth, and that program has been BAD the last few years... so it's not like their were great seniors around him propping him up. 

His passing/playmaking ability is way above-average and his hustle is phenomenal. He's absolutely going to be a hobey baker finalist this coming season, and he's probably going to win it too...

In case anyone doesn't remember from draft day, this is the kid who's dad is a coach, grandfathers a coach, and probably his dog is a coach too. He lives in rinks, and when he does go home he said he and his dad immedately flip on hockey and ONLY watch hockey.

We took him at #47 but he's already performing like he shouldve been a top15 pick. 

This is one prospect i have almost 100% faith WILL be an NHLer. He's a fuqqin hungry dog on the ice. And I think he could very well make Danielson and Lombardi expendable at the center position, and not the other way around. 

Only thing one could possibly neg him on is his size, but I give absolutely no shidts about it. He battles like a honey badger.

I was listening to a podcast with Max Bultman from the Athletic and he claims that Max Plante was an already over 6 feet tall on draft day. Bultman claims that his own height is a “true” 5’11 and that he looked up to Plante upon meeting him for the first time. 
 

Perhaps he’s a grower and not a show-er?

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

I was listening to a podcast with Max Bultman from the Athletic and he claims that Max Plante was an already over 6 feet tall on draft day. Bultman claims that his own height is a “true” 5’11 and that he looked up to Plante upon meeting him for the first time. 
 

Perhaps he’s a grower and not a show-er?

Who know's, teams never update that shidt so it'll list a guy as 5'10" 175lbs until he's like 26 and suddenly he's now listed at 6'0" 195lbs

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I'm liking the Eddie Genborg pick more and more.

Initially I thought he only had bottom 6 potential, but that may not be the case. 

He dominated goal scoring in Swedish juniors last season which I didnt realize. He then got brought up to his pro team halfway through the season... In the pros they used him as a 4th line grinder type, and as a net front presence. So he never really got the chance to be THE GUY in a big role. But he was still a big nasty 4th liner for them... from what ive seen his shot is excellent and his speed is really good. He may have a breakout season in pros this coming year.

If not, he's still a strong AF kid for 18 that can win battles against men already...

European scout slammed a Swede right into our side, Chief. We was comin' back from the town of LA, just delivered our draft rankings. The 2025 rankings. 224 prospects got drafted. Red Wings selected all forecheckers... Didn't see the first Swede until the 2nd round. A Genborg. Six-foot 2-incher. You know how you know that when you're on the ice, Chief? You tell by lookin' from the helmet to the skate... What we didn't know... was our hockey mission had been so secret, no referees or linesmen had been sent...

They didn't even open the penalty box till the 3rd period. Very first shift, Chief, Swede come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. Y'know, it's... kinda like ol' trap style, like you saw in New Jersey, like in the battle of the 96 finals, and the idea was, Swede comes to the nearest man and that man, he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin', and sometimes the Swede go away... sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that Swede, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y'know the thing about a Swede, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'... until he hits ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then... oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ice turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces.

Y'know, by the end of that first period... lost a hundred men. I dunno how many Swedes. Maybe a thousand. I dunno how many men, they averaged six a period. In the 2nd period, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Michael Misa, from Ontario, forward, playmaking type. I thought he was asleep, reached over to wake him up... laid on the ice like a kinda loose stick. Upended. Well... he'd been hip-checked below the waist. 3rd period a linesmen saw us, he swung in low and he saw us. Young linesmen, a lot younger than Mr. Misa. Anyway, he saw us and come in and three shifts later, a big fat referee comes down and start to pick us up. Y'know, that was the time I was most frightened, waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a neck guard again. So, 224 prospects got drafted, 50 eventually made rosters, and the Swedes took the rest, June the 28th, 2025.

Edited Tuesday at 09:21 PM by Jimmybigrigs69

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Forgot to add about Genborg: Draper said - when asked which teammate they'd most like to bring with them to play anywhere - almost every Swedish kid answered Genborg.