Knights Who Say Ni vs Red Shrubberies

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

sweet

[TLGTrico 663]

1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

Another great goal by the Ras-Copp-Fischer line. They're monsters right now.

A shut down line that also provides offense.  If you're going to make any noise in the playoffs you need a line like this

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

vegas diving

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

i dont care if Vegas played last night, we are looking good

[Dabura 12,232]

AND YOU WILL KNOW OUR NAME IS "NO LOTTO LUCK" WHEN WE LAY OUR VENGEANCE UPON THEE

[Dabura 12,232]

7 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I'd f*ck Osgood.

"Back off, that's OUR job!" - The Hockey Hall of Fame Selection Committee

[Dabura 12,232]

8 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Such a luxury to be able to throw Ras-Copp-Fischer out there after a powerplay goal and just grind the opposition into dust. Just kills any hope of a response from the other team. Obviously they're not the Grind Line, but they serve a lot of the same functions.

And they can be hard-matched against top talent (as they were tonight, I believe) - so they're a legit a shutdown line. Having a legit shutdown line *in addition to* two dedicated scoring lines is massive.

[Axl Foley 334]

5 hours ago, Dabura said:

And they can be hard-matched against top talent (as they were tonight, I believe) - so they're a legit a shutdown line. Having a legit shutdown line *in addition to* two dedicated scoring lines is massive.

Expensive center for a shutdown line tho.

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2 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Expensive center for a shutdown line tho.

Not if you're winning games. Not to mention the fact that our 1C and 2C are both less expensive that most competitive teams' rosters so we're saving money there.

12 hours ago, TLGTrico said:

A shut down line that also provides offense.  If you're going to make any noise in the playoffs you need a line like this

 

5 hours ago, Dabura said:

And they can be hard-matched against top talent (as they were tonight, I believe) - so they're a legit a shutdown line. Having a legit shutdown line *in addition to* two dedicated scoring lines is massive.

 

Take this with a grain of salt because I didn't verify the source, but according to this article the line had a 91% expected goals share against Philly. For those of you not overly familiar with the labyrinthine world of hockey analytics that's a very...VERY...good number.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Last night was our most complete game, imo.  There were two lapses on the 2 goals - 1st one Petry doing Petry things and 2nd one Perron whiffing on a clear and then quittig on the play.  Tough to blame anyone else but the players on those.  But outside of that, we played very well.  Even Ghost had a great game.  The thing that stood out to me last night was the constant effort to keep Vegas on the perimeter.  Seider is a MASTER of driving guys out of scoring position, but the rest of the team usually has a hard time keeping guys out of the way of the goalie.  Last night that wasnt the case.  Lyon saw EVERY SINGLE SHOT and there weren't a lot of times I can recall a Vegas player with tje puck on his stick between the dots.  Complete shutdown.  Now Im taking it with a grain of salt because Vegas was on a back to back , but it was still nice to see the Wings playing systematically instead of haphazardly.

[Axl Foley 334]

On 1/27/2024 at 10:42 PM, Dabura said:

AND YOU WILL KNOW OUR NAME IS "NO LOTTO LUCK" WHEN WE LAY OUR VENGEANCE UPON THEE

Leviticus?

[Dabura 12,232]

11 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

Expensive center for a shutdown line tho.

I suppose. But if he's giving more breathing room to your top-six scorers and shutting down other teams' scorers and putting up some points himself, and all of this is helping the team win close games...then I'm perfectly ok with it.

14 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Leviticus?

Who's that? Does he play defense?

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9 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I suppose. But if he's giving more breathing room to your top-six scorers and shutting down other teams' scorers and putting up some points himself, and all of this is helping the team win close games...then I'm perfectly ok with it.

Ras and Fischer are cheap (for now) so it may not matter in the grand scheme of things, but I don't think that is what was envisioned for Copps role when he was signed to that contract.

9 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Who's that? Does he play defense?

I would say much more of an offensive Guy.

Edited January 29, 2024 by Axl Foley

[Dabura 12,232]

Just now, Axl Foley said:

Ras and Fischer are cheap (for now) so it may not matter in the grand scheme of things, but I don't think that is what was envisioned for Copps role when he was signed to that contract.

No - definitely not what we envisioned. Or at least not what we were hoping for. In that sense, we're eating an L on this.

Personally, I'm ok with it. I'm big on the matchup game-within-a-game - so I'm happy to have three solid two-way guys down the middle in Larkin, Compher, Copp.

But yeah, I really don't know why this organization can't find a legit point-producing 2C. Weiss. Nielsen. Stopgap Filapoola. And then Copp was gonna be that guy. And then Compher was gonna be that guy. It's really kind of hilarious what a low-key curse this has become.

Hopefully Kasper or Danielson is That Guy.

[Dabura 12,232]

At least we didn't trade for Dubois lol

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

On 1/27/2024 at 10:42 PM, Dabura said:

AND YOU WILL KNOW OUR NAME IS "NO LOTTO LUCK" WHEN WE LAY OUR VENGEANCE UPON THEE

Book of Yzerman Chapter 1 Verse 1 

[TLGTrico 663]

23 hours ago, Dabura said:

No - definitely not what we envisioned. Or at least not what we were hoping for. In that sense, we're eating an L on this.

Personally, I'm ok with it. I'm big on the matchup game-within-a-game - so I'm happy to have three solid two-way guys down the middle in Larkin, Compher, Copp.

But yeah, I really don't know why this organization can't find a legit point-producing 2C. Weiss. Nielsen. Stopgap Filapoola. And then Copp was gonna be that guy. And then Compher was gonna be that guy. It's really kind of hilarious what a low-key curse this has become.

Hopefully Kasper or Danielson is That Guy.

If we don't have a legit second line center between Kasper and Danielson, the entire amateur scouting staff should be fired

[kipwinger 8,772]

You guys are getting carried away. We DO have a legit 2C in Compher. Look at Tampa's 2C (Anthony Cirelli) and you'll see exactly how Yzerman (and Lalaonde) envision the role being filled. Lalonde has already said that he was a huge fan of Compher before he was even signed by the Wings. These guys like their 2C to be extremely good in the defensive zone (Compher is) and must be able to carry water offensively (Compher does).

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4 hours ago, kipwinger said:

You guys are getting carried away. We DO have a legit 2C in Compher. Look at Tampa's 2C (Anthony Cirelli) and you'll see exactly how Yzerman (and Lalaonde) envision the role being filled. Lalonde has already said that he was a huge fan of Compher before he was even signed by the Wings. These guys like their 2C to be extremely good in the defensive zone (Compher is) and must be able to carry water offensively (Compher does).

Agree and theres no reason to think Danielson and/or Kasper can't become exactly that. Neither are likely to be elite offensively but both should be really good 2way Cs - really good in the d-zone and more then capable in the o-zone.

[Axl Foley 334]

12 hours ago, kipwinger said:

You guys are getting carried away. We DO have a legit 2C in Compher. Look at Tampa's 2C (Anthony Cirelli) and you'll see exactly how Yzerman (and Lalaonde) envision the role being filled. Lalonde has already said that he was a huge fan of Compher before he was even signed by the Wings. These guys like their 2C to be extremely good in the defensive zone (Compher is) and must be able to carry water offensively (Compher does).

That's fine if you have a Point or Stamkos as your 1C. We don't. We have basically a poor mans 1C in Larkin and a poor man's 2C in Compher. Having the latter is fine if you have a high end 1C, and having the former is fine if you have 2 Dylan Larkins. We don't have either scenario, which makes competitive, but not a contender like Tampa.

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8 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

That's fine if you have a Point or Stamkos as your 1C. We don't. We have basically a poor mans 1C in Larkin and a poor man's 2C in Compher. Having the latter is fine if you have a high end 1C, and having the former is fine if you have 2 Dylan Larkins. We don't have either scenario, which makes competitive, but not a contender like Tampa.

Theres more then 1 way to skin build a cat cup contender. You dont need a Point/Stamkos to be considered a cup contender. Look at the Leafs they have Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares and no one outside of Leaf fans considers them a serious cup contender.

The Wings have/ will have better defense and depth then most of these teams in the coming years. Also Larkin and Compher are mid 1/2Cs - far from poor. A team can def win with a 85-90pts 1C and 50-55pts 2C if they have 3 ~70pts wingers. This team has as good depth as any team in the league and thats how they will have to win games - out-depth other teams. 

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12 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

That's fine if you have a Point or Stamkos as your 1C. We don't. We have basically a poor mans 1C in Larkin and a poor man's 2C in Compher. Having the latter is fine if you have a high end 1C, and having the former is fine if you have 2 Dylan Larkins. We don't have either scenario, which makes competitive, but not a contender like Tampa.

You and I probably don't agree about how good Larkin is vis-a-vis Brayden Point. I'd argue that they're more or less the same caliber player, the only difference is that one of them played on a dynasty team with Nikita Kucherov as his most common linemate and the other was on a rebuilding team with puds like Mantha and Bertuzzi riding shotgun.

 

Edited January 31, 2024 by kipwinger

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

You and I probably don't agree about how good Larkin is vis-a-vis Brayden Point. I'd argue that they're more or less the same caliber player, the only difference is that one of them played on a dynasty team with Nikita Kucherov as his most common linemate and the other was on a rebuilding team with puds like Mantha and Bertuzzi riding shotgun.

 

Lol. I was one of the few that has argued Larkin is even a 1C for years (his numbers back this up) while so many were calling him a 2C. 

That said, I don't believe he is at the level of 1C that most legit contenders have.

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38 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Lol. I was one of the few that has argued Larkin is even a 1C for years (his numbers back this up) while so many were calling him a 2C. 

That said, I don't believe he is at the level of 1C that most legit contenders have.

He sure is playing like it right now, and has been all season. Currently playing at a 90(ish) point pace against top competition on a winning, playoff bound, team. This month alone he's gone head to head with Toronto, Tampa, Florida, Philly, and Vegas and was amongst the two or three best players on the ice each night. It's amazing what happens when you surround top players with better talent than Tyler Bertuzzi.

Edited January 31, 2024 by kipwinger

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51 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

He sure is playing like it right now, and has been all season. Currently playing at a 90(ish) point pace against top competition on a winning, playoff bound, team. This month alone he's gone head to head with Toronto, Tampa, Florida, Philly, and Vegas and was amongst the two or three best players on the ice each night. It's amazing what happens when you surround top players with better talent than Tyler Bertuzzi.

Datsyuk would score at the same level with helm and abby on his wings. Larkin would flounder in that scenario.