2024 Offseason Thread

[mackel 763]

It would be awesome if we could get a true starter in the off-season... use Lyon as the backup next season, then dove tail Cossa in as backup the following year, then transition to a 1A/1B scenario the following season, then finally transition to Cossa as starter in 3-4 seasons.

[LeftWinger 5,131]

13 hours ago, kipwinger said:

My guess is that Cossa is going to look a lot more like Demko or Markstrom than Vasilevsky, Price, Roy, or Fleury.

Or Osgood? He started his rookie season at 21, appeared in 41 games and was 23-8. I think if Cossa turns out to be another Osgood, we'll be very happy. Let The Coss-good loose!

[Troy McClure 347]

Or Howard? He started at 25

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

43 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Or Howard? He started at 25

Troll

[AtlantaHotWings 1,125]

1 hour ago, Troy McClure said:

Or Howard? He started at 25

took him that long to get the hot dog mustard cleaned off his hands.....

[Akakabuto 1,842]

2 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Or Howard? He started at 25

Imagine Cossas length with Howards girth. 

Thats a 300+ lbs goalie. 

[AtlantaHotWings 1,125]

57 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Imagine Cossas length with Howards girth. 

Thats a 300+ lbs goalie. 

Covering post to post with no movement ...

[Motor City Mullets 303]

1 hour ago, Akakabuto said:

Imagine Cossas length with Howards girth. 

Thats a 300+ lbs goalie. 

https://images.app.goo.gl/jqpBuNJApYHfePE36

Edited April 2, 2024 by Motor City Mullets

[AtlantaHotWings 1,125]

Can we get Torts as just love to him retort to Helene at press conference

 

[Troy McClure 347]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Troll

 

1 hour ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

took him that long to get the hot dog mustard cleaned off his hands.....

Whether or not Cossa is actually ready is kind of beside the point. 

We cant send a tandem of Lyon/Cossa into next season. So we have to find another starter.

If SY thinks Cossa is ready for 9 games next season thats fine. I just doubt we will see that. 

 

[Troy McClure 347]

4 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Can we get Torts as just love to him retort to Helene at press conference

 

Its not even that I want a mean coach. I just want an honest one. Like Torts. The media friendly platitudes Derek spits out makes him look like hes an idiot. Whether or not he is behind closed doors who knows. But thats the point. Id feel better about the guy if he acknowledged reality. 

But I guess SY doesnt want anyone to ever know anything so it is what it is.

[Motor City Mullets 303]

17 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Its not even that I want a mean coach. I just want an honest one. Like Torts. The media friendly platitudes Derek spits out makes him look like hes an idiot. Whether or not he is behind closed doors who knows. But thats the point. Id feel better about the guy if he acknowledged reality. 

But I guess SY doesnt want anyone to ever know anything so it is what it is.

Torts is to coaching as Don is to the Presidency 

 

[kipwinger 8,756]

12 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Its not even that I want a mean coach. I just want an honest one. Like Torts. The media friendly platitudes Derek spits out makes him look like hes an idiot. Whether or not he is behind closed doors who knows. But thats the point. Id feel better about the guy if he acknowledged reality. 

But I guess SY doesnt want anyone to ever know anything so it is what it is.

100%

Being a weirdo sadist is obviously not going to bring the best out of your team or your players. The Jon Coopers and Al Arbours of the world won a hell of a lot more than Babs or Keenan did. But setting a high standard and holding players accountable (publicly and privately) is a totally different thing. We've got players that won't consistently execute tape to tape passes and Derek's out here talking about the "positive" takeaways from games we're losing badly. Meanwhile Torts scratched (and cut the ice time of) his captain because Couturier doesn't understand the assignment.

And dear god what I wouldn't give to have a coach that makes his players finish their checks.

[kipwinger 8,756]

13 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Torts is to coaching as Don is to the Presidency 

 

Not even close. Torts is to coaching what Teddy Roosevelt was to the Presidency.

Accountability and discipline aren't even in DJT's vocabulary.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,125]

9 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Not even close. Torts is to coaching what Teddy Roosevelt was to the Presidency.

Accountability and discipline aren't even in DJT's vocabulary.

I am going with Andrew Jackson who actually whipped arse with a cane....ie the old BC 2 hander(let's ignore the whole moving the Indians thing for the sake of argument)

On January 30, 1835, Richard Lawrence, an unemployed house painter, produced two pistols and fired upon Andrew Jackson on the steps of the United States Capitol. Both pistols misfired and an outraged Jackson beat Lawrence with his walking cane. 

Translate the above to 

Michael  Rasmussen upon failure to clear the zone yet again was accosted by Coach Jackson with stick. 

[kipwinger 8,756]

1 minute ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

I am going with Andrew Jackson who actually whipped arse with a cane....ie the old BC 2 hander(let's ignore the whole moving the Indians thing for the sake of argument)

On January 30, 1835, Richard Lawrence, an unemployed house painter, produced two pistols and fired upon Andrew Jackson on the steps of the United States Capitol. Both pistols misfired and an outraged Jackson beat Lawrence with his walking cane. 

Translate the above to 

Michael  Rasmussen upon failure to clear the zone yet again was accosted by Coach Jackson with stick. 

Any number of Presidents (including Jackson, Grant, Eisenhower, etc.) were notable for their toughness and even-handed conviction. DJT is absolutely not one of them.

[Troy McClure 347]

57 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

100%

Being a weirdo sadist is obviously not going to bring the best out of your team or your players. The Jon Coopers and Al Arbours of the world won a hell of a lot more than Babs or Keenan did. But setting a high standard and holding players accountable (publicly and privately) is a totally different thing. We've got players that won't consistently execute tape to tape passes and Derek's out here talking about the "positive" takeaways from games we're losing badly. Meanwhile Torts scratched (and cut the ice time of) his captain because Couturier doesn't understand the assignment.

And dear god what I wouldn't give to have a coach that makes his players finish their checks.

Maybe players prefer being on a team where the coach protects them publicly? But if thats the case, it begs the question, do we want to attract players who like the idea of being coddled and protected by their coach? 

[kipwinger 8,756]

27 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Maybe players prefer being on a team where the coach protects them publicly? But if thats the case, it begs the question, do we want to attract players who like the idea of being coddled and protected by their coach? 

Agreed. If you need to be coddled you should play for a different team. If Dylan Larkin can spend a decade getting the sh*t beaten out of him surrounded by team after team of losers the least you can do is suck it up when your coach says you had a sh*t game.

Didn't seem to hurt Benn and Seguin too much when Jim Lites called them out publicly a couple years ago.

Edited April 2, 2024 by kipwinger

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

LOL

Isn’t it Torts job to get his team ready? A good coach would do this. 
 

Turning on your guys in the media is cringe. And immature. 
 

But you guys obvi like when bearded angry men use words like ‘soft’ and ‘balls’ so as you were ai guess? 

[kipwinger 8,756]

18 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

LOL

Isn’t it Torts job to get his team ready? A good coach would do this. 
 

Turning on your guys in the media is cringe. And immature. 
 

But you guys obvi like when bearded angry men use words like ‘soft’ and ‘balls’ so as you were ai guess? 

I understand what you're driving at, and if it were all false bravado I'd agree. But guys who have played under Torts routinely mention that he's tough but fair, demands accountability, and has the team well prepared to play.

He's busting Sean Couturier's ass because Couturier has been absolute garbage this season. And Torts HAS gotten his team ready to play. They've been in the playoff picture all season long after the entire hockey world predicted they'd be one of the worse teams in the Eastern Conference based on their roster.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

21 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I understand what you're driving at, and if it were all false bravado I'd agree. But guys who have played under Torts routinely mention that he's tough but fair, demands accountability, and has the team well prepared to play.

He's busting Sean Couturier's ass because Couturier has been absolute garbage this season. And Torts HAS gotten his team ready to play. They've been in the playoff picture all season long after the entire hockey world predicted they'd be one of the worse teams in the Eastern Conference based on their roster.

Sounds like our shiddy coach who everyone hates no? 
 

Sports brahs like Torts cuz they wish they could talk to people the way he does even though they’re losers IRL. Sports brahs don’t like Derek for some reason even though both coaches are, according to the zeitgeist, over-achieving. 
 

it’s funny to watch. 

[kipwinger 8,756]

3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Sounds like our shiddy coach who everyone hates no? 
 

Sports brahs like Torts cuz they wish they could talk to people the way he does even though they’re losers IRL. Sports brahs don’t like Derek for some reason even though both coaches are, according to the zeitgeist, over-achieving. 
 

it’s funny to watch. 

I'm not really sure Derek is overachieving. I'd expect a team with Larkin, Debrincat, Kane, Raymond, Seider, and 4,000 double digit scorers to be competing for the Wild Card. Especially when their 3rd string goalie was on a two month heater.

I think there are very real reasons to criticize Lalonde for the late season collapse. And really s***ty reasons to blame him for it too. But I definitely don't get the impression that he's being targeted because he's got Dave Lewis syndrome and doesn't fit the typical square jawed, masculine, hockey guy archetype. I think he's being targeted because his team had a 10 point cushion and then fell apart, he won't play offensive players because of their turnovers but doesn't have the same rules for guys like Petry or Copp, the powerplay has fallen completely off the map and he keeps trotting out the same exact squads, he seems totally unwilling to call a timeout and stop the bleeding when his team starts slow or gets scored on twice in 30 seconds, He plays Austin Czarnik on a line with Patrick Kane while benching Joe Veleno, etc. etc. etc.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

LOL

Isn’t it Torts job to get his team ready? A good coach would do this. 
 

Turning on your guys in the media is cringe. And immature. 
 

But you guys obvi like when bearded angry men use words like ‘soft’ and ‘balls’ so as you were ai guess? 

I'm with you here.  I think it's poor taste to call guys out for not having what it takes and not being able to handle end of the year NHL hockey, and then ice the same team the next game.  A good coach would just analyze the weaknesses, and then remove them to the best of his ability.  So notice that I'm not saying LaDUMB is a good coach either.  He's a moron.  The weaknesses (Petry and Chiarot) are in right in front of his eyes causing cycles, penalties, exhaustion, and goals EVERY SINGLE GAME.  And yet he seems to play them even more.  And if you watch the games, you'll notice that it's not like the top line for the other team is the one that is always cycling and scoring.  It's the ones that are going up against Petry and Chiarot.  Is the Kucherov line going to put us through 5 minutes of difficult hockey every game where we chase and go on the power play?  Of course.  That's going to happen if Seider/Edvinsson is on the ice.  Good players are going to stress our team.  That's just part of hockey.  But ALL players stress Chiarot and Petry.  And this is apparent through an eyeball test as well as the statistics.  They guys are LOUSY.  And LaDUMB hasn't benched them yet.  Chiarot should be playing 2 minutes a period with Seider and only started in the offensive zone.  Petry should be in the ECHL with Toledo.  These guys SUCK so bad.  And yet LaDUMB continues to give them each 20 minutes a night.  This team would be in Toronto's spot right now if we iced our best line up the entire year.  But LaDUMB and YzerSCAM think Petry and Chiarot belong in that category.  Sucks to see them ruin our season.  Worst part is, YzerSCAM appears set to let them ruin 24-25 as well.  Somebody please get through to Stevie and give him some Clockwork Orange Style Eyeball Treatment with Petry and Chiarot.

 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

15 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'm not really sure Derek is overachieving. I'd expect a team with Larkin, Debrincat, Kane, Raymond, Seider, and 4,000 double digit scorers to be competing for the Wild Card. Especially when their 3rd string goalie was on a two month heater.

I think there are very real reasons to criticize Lalonde for the late season collapse. And really s***ty reasons to blame him for it too. But I definitely don't get the impression that he's being targeted because he's got Dave Lewis syndrome and doesn't fit the typical square jawed, masculine, hockey guy archetype. I think he's being targeted because his team had a 10 point cushion and then fell apart, he won't play offensive players because of their turnovers but doesn't have the same rules for guys like Petry or Copp, the powerplay has fallen completely off the map and he keeps trotting out the same exact squads, he seems totally unwilling to call a timeout and stop the bleeding when his team starts slow or gets scored on twice in 30 seconds, He plays Austin Czarnik on a line with Patrick Kane while benching Joe Veleno, etc. etc. etc.

Derek is overachieving by the same metric you used for Torts. Pre-season expert predictions. No one thought Kane would move the needle much either so there’s no  real gotcha element there either. 

Anyway this blown Red Wing 10 point playoff lead ? Philly just did the same thing. Relative to their play all season  they’re not getting it done now. 

It’s Ok to admit you prefer Torts style. Just don’t kid yourself that he’d be some kind of better bet here in Detroit than Lalonde. 

If I had a dime for every time I’ve seen someone on here say they wished Torts was coach……..
 

[kipwinger 8,756]

4 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Derek is overachieving by the same metric you used for Torts. Pre-season expert predictions. No one thought Kane would move the needle much either so there’s no  real gotcha element there either. 

Anyway this blown Red Wing 10 point playoff lead ? Philly just did the same thing. Relative to their play all season  they’re not getting it done now. 

It’s Ok to admit you prefer Torts style. Just don’t kid yourself that he’d be some kind of better bet here in Detroit than Lalonde. 

If I had a dime for every time I’ve seen someone on here say they wished Torts was coach……..
 

I think it's fair to say that the Stanley Cup winning, Jack Adams winning, veteran coach with the reputation for getting a whole lot out of marginal rosters would be a better option right now than the rookie coach who's still trying to figure out how to run a NHL bench and locker room.

I think it's okay to admit that you think Lalonde is a better long term option, or that he'll get better. Just don't kid yourself that he's comparable right now to one of the league's most accomplished veteran coaches.

But I'm mostly being cheeky with you. Both Lalonde and Torts are comfortably employed. I just wish Derek were willing to be a little harder on the team. Some guys do respond well to the Ted Lasso style of coaching. And many others just need a kick in the ass. I think we fans sometimes forget that more than a few of these players are Western Canadian hicks, or South Boston trash bags, or whatever and they need a little more than "awww shucks, I know you've got more in you" to get motivated.

At the very least I know they'd finish a goddamn check under Torts.