2024 Offseason Thread

[13dangledangle 965]

2 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Well what Yzerman said exactly is he thinks both Johansson and Berggren are close to ready for full time duty, but both have to earn their spot, it will not be handed to them. And he continues by saying both will be waiver eligible next year, and he does not believe either of them would clear waivers today. So essentially they have to come up and be ready for a full 82 game season. No more weekend AHL business. 

IMO Kane was Berggrens stop gap. He's probably gonna make the team out of camp and stay there.

Johansson I'm not sure will. We might not see him until injuries pile up or the TDL. 

Ghost, and probably Holl, won't be on this team next season. Leaving Maata and Johansson to fight for the 7th spot. 

There really isn't any logjam. 

I actually quite like Yzermans explanation as to why he doesn’t like to keep bringing up these kids and sending them down.  Stay there, play well & succeed.  
 

One’s gotta hope that at very least Holl & Petry hopefully get moved somehow?  Waived, traded, bought out.  I don’t know the repercussions of waiving or buying out but can’t be much worse than having them at our blue line.  Ghost I hope stays, he plays such a different role on D for us, but I know his asking will be high.  
 

One thing that very much made me nervous was Yzermans talk on goaltending.  Noted too much pucks went in our net but thought goaltending was good and full team defence was not.  Maybe I just took it that way?  But I was really hoping to pull a Hail Mary for Swayman or what might a trade for Markstrom look like?  
 

Even with Kane we would need another top 6 guy, which is never easy to get.  Without Kane the mountain becomes much steeper.   Burgers could replace Sprongs numbers but not Kanes.  It’ll be very interesting to see what Yzerman actually does here.  

[AtlantaHotWings 1,005]

1 hour ago, 13dangledangle said:

I actually quite like Yzermans explanation as to why he doesn’t like to keep bringing up these kids and sending them down.  Stay there, play well & succeed.  
 

One’s gotta hope that at very least Holl & Petry hopefully get moved somehow?  Waived, traded, bought out.  I don’t know the repercussions of waiving or buying out but can’t be much worse than having them at our blue line.  Ghost I hope stays, he plays such a different role on D for us, but I know his asking will be high.  
 

One thing that very much made me nervous was Yzermans talk on goaltending.  Noted too much pucks went in our net but thought goaltending was good and full team defence was not.  Maybe I just took it that way?  But I was really hoping to pull a Hail Mary for Swayman or what might a trade for Markstrom look like?  
 

Even with Kane we would need another top 6 guy, which is never easy to get.  Without Kane the mountain becomes much steeper.   Burgers could replace Sprongs numbers but not Kanes.  It’ll be very interesting to see what Yzerman actually does here.  

I think the quicker we get Mo and RayRay PAYDAY$ done it gives a clearer picture on what we have in the wallet. At year end they both said they want to be here so thats a positive. 

I am good with Ghost/Sprong walking. I am thinking Simon runs 2nd unit PP and Mo 1st. Goaltending is bit trickier perhaps Mr Y is hedging his bet to see how things go with a playoff run in GR? Lyon/Cossa and split them? Not sure what you do with Husso as you wouldn't go 3 deep with Cossa sitting in the 3rd spot as that wouldn't make sense and buying Husso out makes no sense. 

Going to be interesting to see how things play out. 

Am I reading this https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/redwings correctly? We have 4 million in dead cap ?

[Scott R Lucidi 535]

I think there's a real good chance that Kane stays.  I think he and Debrincat have a relationship that's a lot more meaningful than a lot of us realize.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Kane take a 4 year, 5 mil per deal to play out his last 4 years with his buddy.  Detroit is nicely situated between his hometowns of Chicago and Buffalo, and he is going to get the ice time he wants on our team due to our lack of talent up front.  If I'm Yzerman, I'm saying we want you, but we can't give you 2015 Kane type money.  If you can take 2024 Kane type money, you can have it for 4 years.  Of course, Kane and his agent are pros.  They're not going to turn down 10 mil per for 4 years if another club (Columbus) offers it.  That's why they've been hush and saying the typical things through the end of the season.

[Jimmybigrigs69 93]

4 hours ago, 13dangledangle said:

I actually quite like Yzermans explanation as to why he doesn’t like to keep bringing up these kids and sending them down.  Stay there, play well & succeed.  
 

One’s gotta hope that at very least Holl & Petry hopefully get moved somehow?  Waived, traded, bought out.  I don’t know the repercussions of waiving or buying out but can’t be much worse than having them at our blue line.  Ghost I hope stays, he plays such a different role on D for us, but I know his asking will be high.  
 

One thing that very much made me nervous was Yzermans talk on goaltending.  Noted too much pucks went in our net but thought goaltending was good and full team defence was not.  Maybe I just took it that way?  But I was really hoping to pull a Hail Mary for Swayman or what might a trade for Markstrom look like?  
 

Even with Kane we would need another top 6 guy, which is never easy to get.  Without Kane the mountain becomes much steeper.   Burgers could replace Sprongs numbers but not Kanes.  It’ll be very interesting to see what Yzerman actually does here.  

I'm not a huge fan of Petry at all. But Newsy deploys him as a top4 Dman on this team. Because of that, I have a hard time seeing El Captain buying him out or giving up picks to trade him. I think the best we can hope is Yzerman trades Maata and we bring in another RHD, via that trade or UFA, to force Petry out of the top4.

With Holl I expect a buy out, or giving up a pick to offload him, is coming. Since we didn't get any extra picks at the deadline, I'm thinking buyout. It'll be a 4 year buyout, but the hit isn't that bad IMO. Like 1-1.5 mil per year if I recall correctly. 

I'm not a fan of ghost. I'm a big believer in having a D core where all 6 defenders can defend. Ghost doesn't fit that bill. He's heavily deployed in the offensive and neutral zone, and not the Dzone. And Newsy only uses him 15 min a night at even strength, which equates to the deployment of a #6 Dman. 

The upside of Ghost? He puts up sexy point numbers. And that comes from huge minutes on the PP. He's a top 10 PP QB in this league for sure. 

However, despite all this PP time, nearly 60 pts on the season, and most deployments outside of the DZone, he has the worst +/- on the team, at -16. In theory a guy like this should be Uber positive on the +/-. 

I like what he brings to the PP, but you can't even really call this guy a "puck mover" who helps the forwards score, since he hardly plays even strength minutes. And more than half his point were scored on the PP. 

It's hard to justify paying 5 million a year to a bottom pair Dman that gets scored on a lot, doesn't hit, and doesn't block shots. I would prefer not to have anybody on the team like this at all, but if we must, a PP specialist like this would have to make far less for me to be comfortable.

Philly should have converted him to forward years ago. In the end, we need to afford Edvinsson the responsibility of the 2nd PP unit as well. Ghost blocks that. Eddog won't be as good as ghost at this next season, but it's important for his development as a player.

I agree with Yzerman and Newsy on the team defense. We had an extremely high goals for average, and extremely high goals against average, whether it was any 3 of the goalies playing. Many of the players commented that they have to get away from "trying to outscore their problems" and commit to to a better team defense as well. I got the impression this was something really bothering Yzerman. He made sure to drive the point home. I think we will be rolling Husso/Lyon again next year. If only because they chose to Husso to be one of the players to address the media for exit interviews. You wouldn't be doing that to/for a guy you're buying out. 

Kane walking would be an irreplaceable blow. But we can semi replace it with Berggren and others, and continued growth from Raymond + Rasmussen. Like I said about our goals for and against, we can afford to sacrifice some scoring to get better at defense. And based on the interview Yzerman had, this seems to be something he wants to happen. Furthermore, both Newsy and Yzerman talked about the team getting younger next season. Kane is the opposite of that. Not that Yzerman wouldn't want to keep him, but he probably doesn't want to commit to the term Kane needs to be happy. 

The team took a huge step in terms of development this year. It's a good time to bring our young budding prospects up to participate in this new found confidence, and also hopefully absorb the lessons learned from this year's ultimate defeat from the rest of the guys. Yzermans comments about adding Berg and AJo make me think think this is the direction he will head. 

I think this offseason will be more uneventful than past years in terms of additions. With new contracts for Mo and Ray being the primary goal.

Based on the totalality of my comments, my best prediction for the season is this:

Kane, Ghost, Sprong become UFA

Perron and Fischer re-signed

Maata traded for something (at some point)

Holl bought out

Matt Roy (or a Dman of similar caliber) signed

Berggren recalled and AJo (at some point) recalled 

And one of Soderblom, Kasper, Mazur, or Czarnik recalled to play a more semi active roll.

Not super exciting. But IMO Yzerman will want to move away from mass free agents signing at this point, and start to clear room for his prospects instead, to develop internally through the draft. Something he's always preached. This may mean a step backward next year, but I think it will be better for our long term goals. And I say may, because I think we can still stumble into the playoffs with these moves. The players grew as a team tremendously this year and they all seem to know exactly what they need to do now to get to where they want next year. I think we will see a team that plays better cohesively as a unit, with better commitment to systems and defense, and not so many wild up and down winning and losing streaks, despite the loss of major offensive talents in Ghost and Kane. Consistincey and confidence will become king. 

 

Edited April 22 by Jimmybigrigs69

[Scott R Lucidi 535]

40 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I'm not a huge fan of Petry at all. But Newsy deploys him as a top4 Dman on this team. Because of that, I have a hard time seeing El Captain buying him out or giving up picks to trade him. I think the best we can hope is Yzerman trades Maata and we bring in another RHD, via that trade or UFA, to force Petry out of the top4.

With Holl I expect a buy out, or giving up a pick to offload him, is coming. Since we didn't get any extra picks at the deadline, I'm thinking buyout. It'll be a 4 year buyout, but the hit isn't that bad IMO. Like 1-1.5 mil per year if I recall correctly. 

I'm not a fan of ghost. I'm a big believer in having a D core where all 6 defenders can defend. Ghost doesn't fit that bill. He's heavily deployed in the offensive and neutral zone, and not the Dzone. And Newsy only uses him 15 min a night at even strength, which equates to the deployment of a #6 Dman. 

The upside of Ghost? He puts up sexy point numbers. And that comes from huge minutes on the PP. He's a top 10 PP QB in this league for sure. 

However, despite all this PP time, nearly 60 pts on the season, and most deployments outside of the DZone, he has the worst +/- on the team, at -16. In theory a guy like this should be Uber positive on the +/-. 

I like what he brings to the PP, but you can't even really call this guy a "puck mover" who helps the forwards score, since he hardly plays even strength minutes. And more than half his point were scored on the PP. 

It's hard to justify paying 5 million a year to a bottom pair Dman that gets scored on a lot, doesn't hit, and doesn't block shots. I would prefer not to have anybody on the team like this at all, but if we must, a PP specialist like this would have to make far less for me to be comfortable.

Philly should have converted him to forward years ago. In the end, we need to afford Edvinsson the responsibility of the 2nd PP unit as well. Ghost blocks that. Eddog won't be as good as ghost at this next season, but it's important for his development as a player.

I agree with Yzerman and Newsy on the team defense. We had an extremely high goals for average, and extremely high goals against average, whether it was any 3 of the goalies playing. Many of the players commented that they have to get away from "trying to outscore their problems" and commit to to a better team defense as well. I got the impression this was something really bothering Yzerman. He made sure to drive the point home. I think we will be rolling Husso/Lyon again next year. If only because they chose to Husso to be one of the players to address the media for exit interviews. You wouldn't be doing that to/for a guy you're buying out. 

Kane walking would be an irreplaceable blow. But we can semi replace it with Berggren and others, and continued growth from Raymond + Rasmussen. Like I said about our goals for and against, we can afford to sacrifice some scoring to get better at defense. And based on the interview Yzerman had, this seems to be something he wants to happen. Furthermore, both Newsy and Yzerman talked about the team getting younger next season. Kane is the opposite of that. Not that Yzerman wouldn't want to keep him, but he probably doesn't want to commit to the term Kane needs to be happy. 

The team took a huge step in terms of development this year. It's a good time to bring our young budding prospects up to participate in this new found confidence, and also hopefully absorb the lessons learned from this year's ultimate defeat from the rest of the guys. Yzermans comments about adding Berg and AJo make me think think this is the direction he will head. 

I think this offseason will be more uneventful than past years in terms of additions. With new contracts for Mo and Ray being the primary goal.

Based on the totalality of my comments, my best prediction for the season is this:

Kane, Ghost, Sprong become UFA

Perron and Fischer re-signed

Maata traded for something (at some point)

Holl bought out

Matt Roy (or a Dman of similar caliber) signed

Berggren recalled and AJo (at some point) recalled 

And one of Soderblom, Kasper, Mazur, or Czarnik recalled to play a more semi active roll.

Not super exciting. But IMO Yzerman will want to move away from mass free agents signing at this point, and start to clear room for his prospects instead, to develop internally through the draft. Something he's always preached. This may mean a step backward next year, but I think it will be better for our long term goals. And I say may, because I think we can still stumble into the playoffs with these moves. The players grew as a team tremendously this year and they all seem to know exactly what they need to do now to get to where they want next year. I think we will see a team that plays better cohesively as a unit, with better commitment to systems and defense, and not so many wild up and down winning and losing streaks, despite the loss of major offensive talents in Ghost and Kane. Consistincey and confidence will become king. 

 

I love how you continue to ignore the GLARING BLATANT OBVIOUS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES IF YOU WATCH THE GAMES PROBLEM - BEN F V C K ING CHIAROT.  Let's get rid of a guy that played the last 30 games as an even player with Maatta and actually IS the 2nd best puck mover on defense that we have.  While I would play Edvinsson over Gost in OT every single time because I think Edvinsson is equally adept on offense and a much better defender, the fact remains that our coaching staff put Gost out there each time after or before Seider.  Why?  Because that's the one thing he's good at - moving the puck.  Holl = +8, best corsi for out of all our defensemen.  Passed the eyeball test when paired with Maataa.  Zero reason to get rid of Holl until Tuomisto and/or ASP are ready to step in.  Petry we're 100% in agreement on.  He has to go.  What you're doing with Chiarot, though, is the equivalent of blaming Rasmussen, Perron, Veleno, and Berggren while skipping over Filip Zadina.  It's that bad.

[Jimmybigrigs69 93]

12 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I love how you continue to ignore the GLARING BLATANT OBVIOUS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES IF YOU WATCH THE GAMES PROBLEM - BEN F V C K ING CHIAROT.  Let's get rid of a guy that played the last 30 games as an even player with Maatta and actually IS the 2nd best puck mover on defense that we have.  While I would play Edvinsson over Gost in OT every single time because I think Edvinsson is equally adept on offense and a much better defender, the fact remains that our coaching staff put Gost out there each time after or before Seider.  Why?  Because that's the one thing he's good at - moving the puck.  Holl = +8, best corsi for out of all our defensemen.  Passed the eyeball test when paired with Maataa.  Zero reason to get rid of Holl until Tuomisto and/or ASP are ready to step in.  Petry we're 100% in agreement on.  He has to go.  What you're doing with Chiarot, though, is the equivalent of blaming Rasmussen, Perron, Veleno, and Berggren while skipping over Filip Zadina.  It's that bad.

I didn't mention Chiarot once

[LeftWinger 4,975]

3 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Am I reading this https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/redwings correctly? We have 4 million in dead cap ?

$1.5M next season

[LeftWinger 4,975]

30 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I love how you continue to ignore the GLARING BLATANT OBVIOUS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES IF YOU WATCH THE GAMES PROBLEM - BEN F V C K ING CHIAROT.  Let's get rid of a guy that played the last 30 games as an even player with Maatta and actually IS the 2nd best puck mover on defense that we have.  While I would play Edvinsson over Gost in OT every single time because I think Edvinsson is equally adept on offense and a much better defender, the fact remains that our coaching staff put Gost out there each time after or before Seider.  Why?  Because that's the one thing he's good at - moving the puck.  Holl = +8, best corsi for out of all our defensemen.  Passed the eyeball test when paired with Maataa.  Zero reason to get rid of Holl until Tuomisto and/or ASP are ready to step in.  Petry we're 100% in agreement on.  He has to go.  What you're doing with Chiarot, though, is the equivalent of blaming Rasmussen, Perron, Veleno, and Berggren while skipping over Filip Zadina.  It's that bad.

Plus, he says "recalls Johansson" at some point. Johansson isn't going to clear waivers if he's sent down from the start.

Re-sign Ghost. How do you not? Unless the guy wants 6 or 7 million.

 

[TLGTrico 632]

13 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Plus, he says "recalls Johansson" at some point. Johansson isn't going to clear waivers if he's sent down from the start.

Re-sign Ghost. How do you not? Unless the guy wants 6 or 7 million.

 

You can't bring back ghost if you want to fit Edvinsson and Johansson on to this team next season

[LeftWinger 4,975]

10 minutes ago, TLGTrico said:

You can't bring back ghost if you want to fit Edvinsson and Johansson on to this team next season

You can if you dump others. Petry, Holl, Maatta, Chiarot. Any of these guys are expendable.

[Jimmybigrigs69 93]

35 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

You can if you dump others. Petry, Holl, Maatta, Chiarot. Any of these guys are expendable.

Chiarot plays more minutes than every D man not named Seider. Takes more Dzone starts than every defender on the team, including Seider. Is #2, behind Seider, in both hits and blocked shots. Has a better +/- than Seider, despite scoring far less. And he runs the 2nd PK unit, with Petry and Ed swapping as his partner. 

He's easily the #2 Dman on this team, and he has two more seasons under contract. He's not going anywhere with that usage by his coach.

If Ghost was actually a better defender than Chia he'd be getting those minutes. But Newsy only uses Ghost 15 min a night at even strength, which equates to the deployment of a #6 Dman. Ghost put up sexy numbers, but over half his points come from the PP, because that's the only time Newsy is comfortable deploying him. When there's no risk of him getting scored on. And when Newsy does play him at even strength, he only gets deployed in the offensive zone or neutral zone. And, despite all that sheltering, he has the worst +/- on the team, at -16. In theory a guy like this should be Uber positive on the +/-. 

It's impossible to justify paying 5 million a year to a 3rd pair PP specialist that doesn't hit, doesn't block shots, and is on the ice for more goals against than any other defender on the team. 

oh yeah, and Yzerman specifically said he wants the team to improve at defending as a group, and stop "trying to score our way out of problems". And that to you means burning our top defensive Dman not named Seider, who has 2 years left on his contract, in order to resign a PP specialist who literally isn't trusted to defend at all?

[Motor City Mullets 225]

1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I didn't mention Chiarot once

I get a feeling Scott does not like Ben...Not with Ken...Not with a Hen...Ken and Hen may get along, but not with Ben.

[Jimmybigrigs69 93]

Just now, Motor City Mullets said:

I get a feeling Scott does not like Ben...Not with Ken...Not with a Hen...Ken and Hen may get along, but not with Ben.

Your memes are becoming more... powerful

[Akakabuto 1,759]

21 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said:

I get a feeling Scott does not like Ben...Not with Ken...Not with a Hen...Ken and Hen may get along, but not with Ben.

This is your best meme ever

[LeftWinger 4,975]

So we'll let Kane's PPG go, Ghost's 60 points go, replace them with rookies and then keep a defender that can't defend and makes too many mistakes. 

[Scott R Lucidi 535]

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/chiarbe01.html

Guy sucks.  Colin must have bought a jersey when YzerSCAM signed him, so sorry about that.  But this guy is 5 times as bad as Filip Zadina and should be getting whipped like a motherf v cker around here.  Colin has a pretty good track record of not fanboying into COMPLETE TRASH players and giving them rope (Smith, Kindl, Mantha, Zadina), so my frustration with this issue is compounded by his getting his panties all wet over Ben.  He's a good troll, but I think he honestly believes Chiarot is a good defender.  It's baffling.

[TLGTrico 632]

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

You can if you dump others. Petry, Holl, Maatta, Chiarot. Any of these guys are expendable.

You'd have to move at least three guys and Chiarot and Petry aren't going anywhere

[13dangledangle 965]

5 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I think there's a real good chance that Kane stays.  I think he and Debrincat have a relationship that's a lot more meaningful than a lot of us realize.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Kane take a 4 year, 5 mil per deal to play out his last 4 years with his buddy.  Detroit is nicely situated between his hometowns of Chicago and Buffalo, and he is going to get the ice time he wants on our team due to our lack of talent up front.  If I'm Yzerman, I'm saying we want you, but we can't give you 2015 Kane type money.  If you can take 2024 Kane type money, you can have it for 4 years.  Of course, Kane and his agent are pros.  They're not going to turn down 10 mil per for 4 years if another club (Columbus) offers it.  That's why they've been hush and saying the typical things through the end of the season.

I hope you’re right.  I hope he does also. Obviously.  I can see both sides of it, but I agree Cat is a bigger part of his life than we realize.   I was listening to the newest winged wheel podcast and they were saying the same thing, how it’s a thing to see Kane & DeBricats young children together and how POTENTIALLY, potentially this translates into this is Patrick Kanes home now and he will hopefully stay for many of these reasons.  
 

Again that’s all wishful thinking at the end of the day.  People keep saying how Kane may not stay because we still won’t be in a cup window.  But at 4 years I think we will certainly be trying.  We must make the playoffs next year.  We have to, look at what this team has done.  To start this season the entire world was betting against them.  Even at the end of last season Buffalo and Ottawa were the favourites to be the new comers knocking on the door.  Then after free agency in the summer The Yzerplan was lambasted by many for the first time.  This season starts and we’re the underdogs from the get go but came in hot, even became so exciting to watch they quickly were people’s favourite team to tune into because they kept having these crazy comebacks.   
 

Then we sign Kane and everyone was pretty reserved with how he’d play.  I thought he’d be hurt in no time, but the dude played.  He’s so dynamic and confident with the puck, one of those rare elite players that visibly commands respect when the pucks on his stick.  Even at 35 years old.  That moment of his in Chicago was so electric….This year going in this team I would think should be favourites to get in.   I can’t for the life of me see how losing Kane, Ghost & Sprong gets this done.  Put Berggren in because obviously Sprong is walking.  But my gosh the other two are hard to replace.  With either one do we have as much magic?  Because when this team came together and played as best as they could they were very much a magical hockey team to watch.

[Jimmybigrigs69 93]

16 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

So we'll let Kane's PPG go, Ghost's 60 points go, replace them with rookies and then keep a defender that can't defend and makes too many mistakes. 

I don't suggest keeping Ghost

Edited April 23 by Jimmybigrigs69

[TLGTrico 632]

Between Perron, Sprong and Ficsher, I'd like to replace two of them internally, while the other one can can either be re-signed or replaced via for agency.

[LeftWinger 4,975]

22 hours ago, TLGTrico said:

Between Perron, Sprong and Ficsher, I'd like to replace two of them internally, while the other one can can either be re-signed or replaced via for agency.

Perron will stay, Ghost will stay. Holl will be traded, Petry will be bought out. Opening up room for 2-3 kids and others via UFA. If Tampa gets swept, there is a good chance Stamkos is gone, maybe he'll come here. 

[Motor City Mullets 225]

5 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Perron will stay, Ghost will stay. Holl will be traded, Petry will be bought out. Opening up room for 2-3 kids and others via UFA. If Tampa gets swept, there is a good chance Stamkos is gone, maybe he'll come here. 

Stamkos is their Yzerman...Too much history, Cups, and unless the mgt, or ownership goes full blown regard - you can bet he'll sign a 2 to 4 yr deal to stay there.

[Akakabuto 1,759]

23 hours ago, TLGTrico said:

Between Perron, Sprong and Ficsher, I'd like to replace two of them internally, while the other one can can either be re-signed or replaced via for agency.

Switch Fabbri for Fischer and I agree.

Should we take a chance on Victor Olofsson for depth scoring? Going UFA and just had a s***ty year but a couple of high scoring seasons before that.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,005]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Perron will stay, Ghost will stay. Holl will be traded, Petry will be bought out. Opening up room for 2-3 kids and others via UFA. If Tampa gets swept, there is a good chance Stamkos is gone, maybe he'll come here. 

 

18 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Switch Fabbri for Fischer and I agree.

Should we take a chance on Victor Olofsson for depth scoring? Going UFA and just had a s***ty year but a couple of high scoring seasons before that.

Ghost will walk and that will help relieve a bit of D logjam I think 

What could Fabbri get you ?

I am curious why Holl never got more time.  He didn't seem to be as bad as Leafs fans made him to be or maybe I am just being nice?

Sprong will walk dude will get overpaid 

Perron and Fischer stay with reasonable contracts

Stammer is a Bolt guy don't see him here be nice but don't see it 

Petry been fun see ya or keep and he is #7 D?

[Jimmybigrigs69 93]

24 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Switch Fabbri for Fischer and I agree.

Should we take a chance on Victor Olofsson for depth scoring? Going UFA and just had a s***ty year but a couple of high scoring seasons before that.

Relax Sven, youre getting Berggren, Johansen, and Edvinsson next year. We dont want to hear your pathetic greedy hand-rubbing over every Swedish UFA.