2024 Offseason Thread

[Jimmybigrigs69 466]

50 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Edvinsson will be on the team.

That's not a certainty at all. Yzerman has already said he doesn’t have a spot on this team at this moment and will need to earn it at camp.

54 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Its more likely they waive AJo then demote Big E again.

We've been over this. Yzerman has already said he won't be waiving Johansson. 

40 minutes ago, TLGTrico said:

Edvinsson going back to Grand rapids would be a travesty

Why? He's 21 years old, and didn't do much during his time up last year. Spending more time in GR is probably good for him.

17 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

CORN TROLL EE OH.

 

Welcome back, doofus.  Good to see your amateur level needling.  It's always fun to see rookies try.

Eddog will never be as good as Seider.

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18 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

That's not a certainty at all. Yzerman has already said he doesn’t have a spot on this team at this moment and will need to earn it at camp.

We've been over this. Yzerman has already said he won't be waiving Johansson. 

Why? He's 21 years old, and didn't do much during his time up last year. Spending more time in GR is probably good for him.

Eddog will never be as good as Seider.

Of course Yzerman isnt going to say Edvinsson is on the team but we all know its his spot to lose. Hes easily a top 4 dman on this team. He would have to forget how to skate to not be on this team and even then hes probably still better then a few dmen on this team.

I stand by what I said Ajo is more likely to be waived then Big E being sent down.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

I tend to think now that there's zero chance Raymond or Seider accept 8x8 contracts. If they continue their progression, can you imagine the money they'll leave on the table in 3 years, let alone 8? I'm willing to bet it'll be bridge contracts of 2 or 3 years, BUT it'll still be upwards of $8M per. We're screwed. 

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58 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I tend to think now that there's zero chance Raymond or Seider accept 8x8 contracts. If they continue their progression, can you imagine the money they'll leave on the table in 3 years, let alone 8? I'm willing to bet it'll be bridge contracts of 2 or 3 years, BUT it'll still be upwards of $8M per. We're screwed. 

The last thing Yzerman wants to do is hand out blank checks to young guys like Dubas had done with the Tronna Pretty Boys.

IMHO neither Seider/Raymond will make more than DBoss for the next 2 to 4 seasons aav and it's highly unlikely they'd get more  even if  they both signed a 7, or 8 yr deal  before the start of this season.

I'm thinking they'll each get a bridge deal worth anywhere from $5.5 to $7.5 aav and then when that expires they'll have the opportunity to demand equal to, or  more than Larkin.

Also - keeping in mind the current CBA is in it's final 2 yrs - after the 2025/2026 season there could be significant changes.

Edited July 24, 2024 by Motor City Mullets

[Jimmybigrigs69 466]

2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Of course Yzerman isnt going to say Edvinsson is on the team but we all know its his spot to lose. Hes easily a top 4 dman on this team. He would have to forget how to skate to not be on this team and even then hes probably still better then a few dmen on this team.

I stand by what I said Ajo is more likely to be waived then Big E being sent down.

We do not all know that. You and few others seem to believe it. 

And you're ignoring the fact that Yzerman also said he won't be waiving AJo. Or is that another Yzerscam lie in your book?

Edvinsson is going to have to play a lot better than last year to squeeze out a vet. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Edvinsson might get sent down to Toledo, actually.  Word around the lockerroom is that he's lazy.  

3 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Of course Yzerman isnt going to say Edvinsson is on the team but we all know its his spot to lose. Hes easily a top 4 dman on this team. He would have to forget how to skate to not be on this team and even then hes probably still better then a few dmen on this team.

I stand by what I said Ajo is more likely to be waived then Big E being sent down.

Feeding Corn Troll Ee Oh has never been funner.  So much funner, it's funnerer.

30 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

We do not all know that. You and few others seem to believe it. 

And you're ignoring the fact that Yzerman also said he won't be waiving AJo. Or is that another Yzerscam lie in your book?

Edvinsson is going to have to play a lot better than last year to squeeze out a vet. 

There's C3PO, then there's you.  CTEO.  Corn Troll Ee Oh.  

"TEO!!!"

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30 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Edvinsson might get sent down to Toledo, actually.  Word around the lockerroom is that he's lazy.  

Feeding Corn Troll Ee Oh has never been funner.  So much funner, it's funnerer.

There's C3PO, then there's you.  CTEO.  Corn Troll Ee Oh.  

"TEO!!!"

I think we are going to see a lot of Edvinsson next year. But in the event of a roster squeeze, if he's playing anything like he did last year still, he's the one going down. 

[TLGTrico 663]

48 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I think we are going to see a lot of Edvinsson next year. But in the event of a roster squeeze, if he's playing anything like he did last year still, he's the one going down. 

If he doesn't improve immensely, we may be approaching bust territory

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

58 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I think we are going to see a lot of Edvinsson next year. But in the event of a roster squeeze, if he's playing anything like he did last year still, he's the one going down. 

I'm ok with this, so long as you're ok with saying the SCAM is an idiot for creating a "roster squeeze" situation.  Deal?

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Edvinsson better impress because as long as he is just ok, and he is the one with waiver exemptions, he'll be sent down. That's the business part of the NHL. Maybe he impresses and gets a spot, but that would either mean 8 D on the roster or Lagesson/Holl gets waived. Yzerman will not waive AJo or Berggren for that matter. They'll either be in Detroit or on another NHL team, neither would clear. Unfortunately, if nobody gets waived or bought out, and if Edvinsson makes the team, I can see 12/8/3 as an opening night roster.

[Jimmybigrigs69 466]

1 hour ago, TLGTrico said:

If he doesn't improve immensely, we may be approaching bust territory

I don't think this at all. He's been REALLY good in GR. But IMO he didn't look ready for a top4 NHL role last year when he was up. If his game is at that same level coming out of camp, and we don't have room on the roster, he should absolutely go down and play the #1 role in GR some more. Intead of waiving a different player.

1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I'm ok with this, so long as you're ok with saying the SCAM is an idiot for creating a "roster squeeze" situation.  Deal?

We signed Gus because no one on the backend can score besides Seider, Edvinsson included last year. Had Edvinsson put up pts last year we likely don't sign Gus, and Eddogs place in the NHL is guaranteed. But he didn't put up pts. So here we are. 

We have to excercise patience with a prospect like Edvinsson. Worst thing we could do right now is say "here's a top4 spot and a pp unit, go be what we hope you can be one day be" and then have him fall flat. 

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Edvinsson better impress because as long as he is just ok, and he is the one with waiver exemptions, he'll be sent down. That's the business part of the NHL. Maybe he impresses and gets a spot, but that would either mean 8 D on the roster or Lagesson/Holl gets waived. Yzerman will not waive AJo or Berggren for that matter. They'll either be in Detroit or on another NHL team, neither would clear. Unfortunately, if nobody gets waived or bought out, and if Edvinsson makes the team, I can see 12/8/3 as an opening night roster.

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Edited July 24, 2024 by Jimmybigrigs69

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I don't think this at all. He's been REALLY good in GR. But IMO he didn't look ready for a top4 NHL role last year when he was up. If his game is at that same level coming out of camp, and we don't have room on the roster, he should absolutely go down and play the #1 role in GR some more. Intead of waiving a different player.

We signed Gus because no one on the backend can score besides Seider, Edvinsson included last year. Had Edvinsson put up pts last year we likely don't sign Gus, and Eddogs place in the NHL is guaranteed. But he didn't put up pts. So here we are. 

We have to excercise patience with a prospect like Edvinsson. Worst thing we could do right now is say "here's a top4 spot and a pp unit, go be what we hope you can be one day be" and then have him fall flat. 

100%

He scored a point every other game in GR.  How many do you want to see?

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24 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

He scored a point every other game in GR.  How many do you want to see?

Seider did the same in GR, but with him it translated to the NHL immediately. That didn't happen with Ed last year, so it may very well not this year. 

[kipwinger 8,771]

They're different defensemen. Seider gets powerplay time, it's no wonder he'd score more. He was running the top powerplay from the first moment he hit the ice for the Wings. Credit to him. But that's not really going to be Edvinsson's value. He's a lot more like Mathias Ekholm, Brandon Carlo, or Devon Toews. He'll have a bunch of even strength points, few powerplay points, and be a stud defensively. I'm not worried about his points if he's making stops, and he was absolutely one of the best DEFENDERS during his late season stretch. Aside from Lalonde confirming that this was the case you can also point to the fact that he played well enough to make Jake Walman expendable.

I'm not here to tell you Yzerman is "penciling him" into a roster spot. But I'd bet my paycheck Edvinsson starts the season with the Red Wings if I had to handicap it.

Edited July 24, 2024 by kipwinger

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

They're different defensemen. Seider gets powerplay time, it's no wonder he'd score more. He was running the top powerplay from the first moment he hit the ice for the Wings. Credit to him. But that's not really going to be Edvinsson's value. He's a lot more like Mathias Ekholm, Brandon Carlo, or Devon Toews. He'll have a bunch of even strength points, few powerplay points, and be a stud defensively. I'm not worried about his points if he's making stops, and he was absolutely one of the best DEFENDERS during his late season stretch. Aside from Lalonde confirming that this was the case you can also point to the fact that he played well enough to make Jake Walman expendable.

I'm not here to tell you Yzerman is "penciling him" into a roster spot. But I'd bet my paycheck Edvinsson starts the season with the Red Wings if I had to handicap it.

He played well enough to help Jeff Petry limp out the season.  There is zero reason to compare Edvinsson to want to play like Seider or Seider to want to play like Edvinsson.  Edvisson is a better skater with better reach and better offensive situational awareness.  Seider is a tougher player with better defensive situational awareness and great shot blocking abilities.  Both help us get the puck out of our zone and move it into ahead into the attacking zone in their own ways.  If ASP turns out the way everybody thinks he should, we should have (3) guys that can play 1A/1B minutes and (5) more in Al. Johansson/Wallinder/Buium/Tuomisto/An. Johansson that can play mid and bottom pairing minutes for any team.

[TLGTrico 663]

Here's the thing, how often do top 10 picks live up to their draft position after spending multiple seasons in the AHL?  For that matter, Kasper needs to either be in the NHL or light up the AHL this season or I'm going to start to worry that we wasted a top 10 pick on a third line center

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15 hours ago, kipwinger said:

They're different defensemen. Seider gets powerplay time, it's no wonder he'd score more. He was running the top powerplay from the first moment he hit the ice for the Wings. Credit to him. But that's not really going to be Edvinsson's value. He's a lot more like Mathias Ekholm, Brandon Carlo, or Devon Toews. He'll have a bunch of even strength points, few powerplay points, and be a stud defensively. I'm not worried about his points if he's making stops, and he was absolutely one of the best DEFENDERS during his late season stretch. Aside from Lalonde confirming that this was the case you can also point to the fact that he played well enough to make Jake Walman expendable.

I'm not here to tell you Yzerman is "penciling him" into a roster spot. But I'd bet my paycheck Edvinsson starts the season with the Red Wings if I had to handicap it.

I dont really agree on the comparison. I think Ed has all the potential to be just as good offensively and defensively as Mo. He's just not having the lightning fast development that Mo had. Sure Seider got PP time right away... but he also got PK time as well. Ed got neither. Because Seider was clearly a stud from day 1, and Ed is clearly not a stud yet. I don't dislike the prospect, i just dont see the need to rush him onto the roster, and if he's the Dman we can waive, it makes sense to waive him. 

Edited July 25, 2024 by Jimmybigrigs69

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1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I dont really agree on the comparison. I think Ed has all the potential to be just as good offensively and defensively as Mo. He's just not having the lightning fast development that Mo had. Sure Seider got PP time right away... but he also got PK time as well. Ed got neither. Because Seider was clearly a stud from day 1, and Ed is clearly not a stud yet. I don't dislike the prospect, i just dont see the need to rush him onto the roster, and if he's the Dman we can waive, it makes sense to waive him. 

You're welcome to think whatever you want about him but it's simply not true that Edvinsson didn't play on special teams. He was on the PK and logged more shorthanded minutes per game that "defensive" guys like Maatta, Fischer, and Veleno. It's not a stretch to imagine he'd have logged even more special teams minutes if he were trying to beat out guys like Hagg, Juolevi, etc. (as Seider did) rather than trying to take minutes from guys like Seider, Chiarot, and Walman. Overall I think it's a good thing that young guys have tougher competition for roster spots and the team is going to be better for it, but it certainly effected the types of minutes that were available to Edvinsson as opposed to Seider.

But again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I don't really care if you like the guy or not. I'm just suggesting that if I HAD to put my money on the line I'd wager that Edvinsson starts the season in the top four based on his play last year and the coach/GM comments about his play during that stretch.

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

You're welcome to think whatever you want about him but it's simply not true that Edvinsson didn't play on special teams. He was on the PK and logged more shorthanded minutes per game that "defensive" guys like Maatta, Fischer, and Veleno. It's not a stretch to imagine he'd have logged even more special teams minutes if he were trying to beat out guys like Hagg, Juolevi, etc. (as Seider did) rather than trying to take minutes from guys like Seider, Chiarot, and Walman. Overall I think it's a good thing that young guys have tougher competition for roster spots and the team is going to be better for it, but it certainly effected the types of minutes that were available to Edvinsson as opposed to Seider.

But again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I don't really care if you like the guy or not. I'm just suggesting that if I HAD to put my money on the line I'd wager that Edvinsson starts the season in the top four based on his play last year and the coach/GM comments about his play during that stretch.

 

Dude, CTEO loves Eddog as much as we do.  You're overfeeding him now!

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2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

You're welcome to think whatever you want about him but it's simply not true that Edvinsson didn't play on special teams. He was on the PK and logged more shorthanded minutes per game that "defensive" guys like Maatta, Fischer, and Veleno. It's not a stretch to imagine he'd have logged even more special teams minutes if he were trying to beat out guys like Hagg, Juolevi, etc. (as Seider did) rather than trying to take minutes from guys like Seider, Chiarot, and Walman. Overall I think it's a good thing that young guys have tougher competition for roster spots and the team is going to be better for it, but it certainly effected the types of minutes that were available to Edvinsson as opposed to Seider.

But again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I don't really care if you like the guy or not. I'm just suggesting that if I HAD to put my money on the line I'd wager that Edvinsson starts the season in the top four based on his play last year and the coach/GM comments about his play during that stretch.

 

Maata, Fischer, and Veleno don't PK on a regular basis. He was behind Seider, Chiarot, Petry, and Walman on the PK with only 19 minutes. 

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1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Maata, Fischer, and Veleno don't PK on a regular basis. He was behind Seider, Chiarot, Petry, and Walman on the PK with only 19 minutes. 

You said Edvinsson didn't grab a special teams role as a rookie the way Seider did. I'm just pointing out that he did have a significant special teams role. He played over a minute per game shorthanded. And it's a little misleading to add Walman to that list since the majority of his PK time came when Edvinsson was still in GR. During Edvinsson's late season callup Walman was either injured or healthy scratched and Edvinsson did considerably more penalty killing than Walman during that period.

You're welcome to think what you want about the guy, but he's pretty clearly earned the trust of the coaching staff based on his play and I don't think people are off-base when they say he's a lock for the roster based on his play during that late season call-up.

Edit: Also, Yzerman confirmed during his press availability that he "expects Edvinsson to play a bigger role". He was already playing 18 minutes a night and killing penalties. Sure sounds like the GM is figuring on Edvinsson to A) make the team, and B) play in the top four.

Edited July 25, 2024 by kipwinger

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

You said Edvinsson didn't grab a special teams role as a rookie the way Seider did. I'm just pointing out that he did have a significant special teams role. He played over a minute per game shorthanded. And it's a little misleading to add Walman to that list since the majority of his PK time came when Edvinsson was still in GR. During Edvinsson's late season callup Walman was either injured or healthy scratched and Edvinsson did considerably more penalty killing than Walman during that period.

You're welcome to think what you want about the guy, but he's pretty clearly earned the trust of the coaching staff based on his play and I don't think people are off-base when they say he's a lock for the roster based on his play during that late season call-up.

Edit: Also, Yzerman confirmed during his press availability that he "expects Edvinsson to play a bigger role". He was already playing 18 minutes a night and killing penalties. Sure sounds like the GM is figuring on Edvinsson to A) make the team, and B) play in the top four.

I wouldn't call 1 min a game a significant special teams role. Regular PKers hover around 2 min a game.

He was likely only on the PK at all because Walman was hurt. But then something happened with Walman when he returned, because Jake went from top pair and top PK, to bottom pair and no PK, and/or healthy scratch. 

Yzerman also said Edvinsson has to earn his spot at camp. 

I won't at all be surprised if Edvinsson plays great, earns his spot, and plays all 82 games. But if it's same as last year, and everyone's healthy, I'd send him down until an injury promotes him. 

Who are you waiving in favor of Ed?

Edited July 25, 2024 by Jimmybigrigs69

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I wouldn't call 1 min a game a significant special teams role. Regular PKers hover around 2 min a game.

He was likely only on the PK at all because Walman was hurt. But then something happened with Walman when he returned, because Jake went from top pair and top PK, to bottom pair and no PK, and/or healthy scratch. 

Yzerman also said Edvinsson has to earn his spot at camp. 

I won't at all be surprised if Edvinsson plays great, earns his spot, and plays all 82 games. But if it's same as last year, and everyone's healthy, I'd send him down until an injury promotes him. 

Who are you waiving in favor of Ed?

TEO!

You think you're smarter than the SCAM?  come on.

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2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

TEO!

You think you're smarter than the SCAM?  come on.

I dont trust lightning spies

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I dont trust lightning spies

https://www.nhl.com/news/travis-konecny-signs-8-year-contract-with-philadelphia

 

Lucas Raymond equivalent right here.