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#2684651 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 10 August 2016 - 06:16 PM

Tatar, Nyquist, Larkin, Zetterberg, Mrazek and Nielsen are all on the top 200 list that he linked. It's just that no one is top 50 like Zet and Pav used to be I think. 

This is just more evidence that we are lacking a franchise guy at this point. There's 30 teams so you figure if you can meet the even distribution of 6-7 players in the top 200 you're in decent shape, but our handful of players are all in the bottom 75% of that list of 200. We should have at least one guy in the top 50, but we aren't represented there. Granted this is just fantasy value right (I haven't actually looked at the link) so it's not like this is irrefutable evidence, but I think it supports the context of what a lot of us have been saying- the Wings are lacking top tier talent.

#2684633 Ryspayev Should Be Banned.. Disgusting.

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 10 August 2016 - 12:22 PM

Lot of sarcasm about Ott tbh. Clearly not the same player he was.


Ott has never been a good fighter.  He'd have trouble with Abdelkader.  

#2684512 AA

Posted by Dabura on 07 August 2016 - 07:37 AM

Doesn't your fake quote about Red Wings player development seem like a very logical way to handle young prospects to get the most out of them?


In theory, yes, it is. But the Red Wings take it to a ridiculous extreme. We are (or, at least, should be) a team in transition, not a perennial contender. Overripening is something we need to be moving away from.


We just seen first hand what keeping a young talented player on the fourth line did to Jurco.


What we've seen with Jurco -- and the fourth line in general -- is boneheaded usage. I'm ok with using Jurco on the fourth line if we're trying to roll four scoring lines. I'm not ok with slotting Jurco on a line with Miller and Glendening. I'm not ok with using the fourth line as a sacrificial "shutdown" line (i.e. we hard-match it against the best players in the league) when its centerman is Luke Glendening and one of its wingers is a redundant grinderbangershotblockerpenaltykiller.


Our fourth line could be Jurco-Athanasiou-Mantha and we could roll four dangerous lines. Ideally, at least two of those players are playing higher in the lineup -- but, point is, we need to rethink everything we think we know about a professional hockey team's fourth line. We need to stop associating fourth lines with grinding and banging and killing penalties and trying to shut down Sidney Crosby and Patrick Kane and Connor McDavid. Fourth lines are allowed to be scoring threats. You don't (necessarily) need a "defensive fourth line with real good defensive players and real good defensive defensiveness."




"The big thing in today’s game is you have to be able forecheck and backcheck, and you have to have the puck," Sutter said over the weekend (h/t Ryan Lambert). "You can’t give the puck up. We don’t play in our zone, so there’s not much defending."


The numbers back him up. LA takes 56.9 percent of all even-strength shot attempts in their games, an effective way to measure puck possession. That's more than any team in the league. Last season, the Kings were at 58 percent. That was more than any team in the league. In 2011-12, they were at 54.9 percent. That was less than only the Pittsburgh Penguins — and the Kings wound up winning the Stanley Cup.


So, Sutter would seem to be an authority on the topic: Don't mistake dominance for "defensive responsibility" or physicality. Having the puck is the most important part of the game.


“I’ve coached in three decades now and this stuff where they said Marian had to play in (former Minnesota Wild coach Jacques) Lemaire's system is a bunch of bullcrap," Sutter said.


"The game’s changed. They think there’s defending in today’s game. Nah, it’s how much you have the puck. Teams that play around in their own zone (say) they’re defending but they’re generally getting scored on or taking face-offs and they need a goalie to stand on his head if that’s the way they play,” said Sutter.


Add that to from Edmonton Oilers coach Dallas Eakins earlier this season:


"You know what the perfect game is? The perfect game is no hits. You know why that is? It's because you have the puck. You don't have to hit anybody. You have the puck."


And this from a member of Team Canada's gold-medal winning team:


"Our defense were pretty good at skating themselves out of trouble, but I think everyone talks about our defensive play — we just have the puck for most of the game. I think we possessed the puck, and we were able to control the puck a lot in the offensive zone. When you do that, teams don't get a lot of time or energy to come against you.


"Defensively, there's no doubt that we backtracked really hard when we needed to, but I think that's something that's preached on every team and something that's important to every team winning. … I think on the flipside, you see the effect that playing the offensive zone has, and you want to make sure that that's something you continue to do (in the NHL)."


That was Sidney Crosby.


On the other end of the spectrum, you have the Wings, who are obsessed with "defensive responsibility" and "being able to play without the puck" and having "grit" and being able to block shots and kill penalties and *bangs head on table repeatedly*. The Wings used to be all about high-end skill. Now they're all about blue-collar blue-collarness. And they wonder why we can't put the puck in the net.


A lot of fans will enjoy the ride a lot more once they realize the wings are planning for the future and it may not always be the ideal product on the ice because of that. Give it time


I've actually defended the front office on these very grounds (albeit, in a devil's advocate way). But, lately, I'm really starting to question The Plan. It sounds great in theory, and, sure, you can point to a supporting piece of evidence here and there. But, really, what you're saying is "Have blind faith in Team Holland and everything will be ok. You don't understand now, but one day you will." Which is 1) almost more pretentious than anything that even I would say, 2) somewhat ignorant of recent history, and 3) wonderfully trusting (bordering on naive).


Holland isn't the coach, Blashill is. It will come down to training camp and who Blash wants on the team.


The hate for Holland is strong that he gets blamed for things not in his control lol.


Ken Holland is the general manager. Jeff Blashill is the head coach. Jeff Blashill works for Ken Holland.


A couple years ago Mike Babcock wanted Xavier Ouellet on the opening night roster. Babcock said that if it were up to him, Ouellet would be on the opening night roster, but he -- Babcock -- was allowed to cast only one vote, while Ken Holland was allowed to cast "two." Babcock's point being, Ken Holland has the first and final say in anything and everything personnel-related and Ken Holland knows it. And this, to me, is a problem, because it's Ken Holland, whose way of doing things represents and perpetuates everything that's wrong with the Red Wings today. He is an arrogant dinosaur who is struggling mightily to reconcile his way of doing things with the harsh realities of the cap era. As a result, we haven't won a damn thing in close to a decade, and right now we're probably at least three years away from being a serious contender.


The Wings, under Ken Holland, are all about treading water, selling tickets, getting a little bit of playoff revenue, and then repeating the whole cycle again. They're about maintaining the status quo, not truly moving forward.

I agree that Athanasiou will likely start in Grand Rapids, and I also agree that it's not the worst thing that could happen. However, he wouldn't be sent down just so the Griffins would have a number one center. When we lost Miele, Ben Street was brought in, and he is more than capable of filling the same role Miele did for the past couple years.


I'd totally forgotten about Street. Good call.


Still, y'know what I'm saying.

#2684582 Fox Sports DET to stream DRW games online

Posted by Echolalia on 09 August 2016 - 08:53 AM

That is not accurate. Check out Reddit. Their feeds are tv quality.

Theyre ok until the framerate intermittently drops, or more frustrating, until they randomly get taken down midway through the game, or just before it starts.

#2684322 Fox Sports DET to stream DRW games online

Posted by Echolalia on 01 August 2016 - 08:28 PM

IP reroute perhaps?


I mean there are options, such as proxies and whatnot.  They just aren't kosher.  But more to the point, I think that here in 2016 convenient and legal options for folks to watch games regardless of whether they're in Texas, Australia, or Michigan should be available and independent of a cable or satellite subscription.

#2684065 Calle Jarnkrok

Posted by joesuffP on 27 July 2016 - 02:02 PM

Basically screwed over a young kid

#2684298 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by chaps80 on 31 July 2016 - 11:16 PM

Better, although our D is skimped out. Wish there was a bit of cap to add a UFA vet like Jackmann at least. Better up front though with Nielson and Vanek(who i think will end up being a huge steal), Larkin coming off a full NHL season, hopefully see alot more of AA and Mantha however it has to be done..Kenny went a bit too wild with the chunk of cap he had signing UFA and RFA forwards..he'll figure it out though. No split games in goal, no competition for the starting job..Mrazek is the guy going forward, and I think he'll thrive knowing that and hopefully Howard improves in a backup role with less pressure on him.

#2684209 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on 29 July 2016 - 01:07 PM

Blashill paying respects to the Don.


#2684183 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 29 July 2016 - 06:52 AM




#2683870 Red Wings All-Bust Roster

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 25 July 2016 - 08:29 PM

Whitney - Modano - Grigorenko

Leino - Weiss - Bertuzzi

Kopecky - Williams - Kohn 

Cole - Legwand - Tootoo


Kuznetsov - Hatcher

Golubovsky - Krupp

Wallin - Smith





David Legwand

Jakub Kindl

Fabian Brunnstrom

Wendell Clark

Yan Golubovsky

Yuri Butsayev

Jessie Wallin

Jason Williams


No Derian Hatcher?  That was one of the first names I thought of.  I remember how excited I was when we got him and then the injury happened.  

#2683921 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by F.Michael on 26 July 2016 - 09:08 AM

A little higher than I would have liked, but overall I think it's a solid deal.

Yup - as most of us here had expected.

#2683920 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by Echolalia on 26 July 2016 - 09:01 AM

goddam holland signing everyone to long term contracts but we like our team amirite??


jk I like it.  Dekeyser's a solid player.

#2683918 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by VM1138 on 26 July 2016 - 09:00 AM

Right about perfect. That's the going rate for a second pair guy, and he's a very good one, and that should be a still in a few years.

#2674116 Fixing this mess....

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 April 2016 - 10:07 PM

That shift you're speaking of was an anomaly, not something he was going to do or be expected to on a regular basis. He's still one of the best penalty killers in the entire league. Also, even though he doesn't always capitalize on his chances, he is one of the top players in the league at generating scoring chances per 60... If we lose Helm, it will be a big loss, bigger than some think in my opinion...

#2683529 Brad Richards Retires

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 20 July 2016 - 04:29 PM

TBH, I wouldn't have minded seeing him back. I know I'm in the extreme minority when it comes to that. 


Congrats on a great career.