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#2682932 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by NerveDamage on 11 July 2016 - 07:30 PM

Holland isn't responsible for Global Warming. That's Al Gore's fault.

negative, It's ManBearPig's doing

#2682928 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 July 2016 - 06:30 PM

If Holland didn't make that trade and we were still stuck with Datsyuk's contract, with little to no activity on July 1st, it would be the exact same people b****ing and moaning. Just imagine how much backlash there would be if Stamkos did hit free agency and he went to Buffalo because we didn't have the cap space to sign him.

I don't think there's any question that today Chychrun is more skilled and more developed than Cholowski. My first reaction when we were trading the pick was "pissed" too, but after hearing what the trade entailed, I was stoked. It was a great trade, and you make it every time in that situation. Who knows how it will look in 5-10 years, but hindsight is 20/20...

#2682885 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by VM1138 on 11 July 2016 - 08:06 AM

This has been discussed ad nauseum. It's far easier to visit family within the same country than internationally. Plus, he will actually be nearby frequently because of the teams he will play. It's not that hard to grasp, people.

#2682654 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by NerveDamage on 08 July 2016 - 04:48 PM

Pavel Datsyuk writes open letter to Detroit Red Wing fans

Dear Friends,


I am blessed to have received an offer to continue my hockey career at home with SKA in St. Petersburg. It was a difficult decision to retire from the Red Wings and NHL, but in my heart, I believe it is the best decision for me an my family.


“My decision was not an easy one. Your support of the Detroit Red Wings and of me personally has meant so much to me. I arrived a young man that few had heard of and I am leaving with so many offering their kind wishes, love and respect. I am so thankful. You have provided so much for me and my family and I will be forever graceful to the game of hockey, the NHL, the Detroit Red Wings and most importantly, to you, our fans.


“With the reality that I will no longer be a Red Wing or playing in the NHL, I realize there are a lot of people I would like to personally thank.


“I also want to especially thank Mr. and Mrs. Ilitch and the entire Ilitch family for all their support over the years. They are tremendous owners and I loved playing for them. Similarly, I owe a great deal to Ken Holland for his understanding and support during the last few years in particular, but really throughout my career. Ken and the entire organization have always treated me well and he, together with all of the organization, are a major reason why every player in the league wants to play in Detroit.


“I would also like to thank all of my teammates. We have had many successes, and many times fell short of our goals, but it has been an honor and privilege to play by your side.


“I also want to thank all of my coaches, in particular Mike Babcock for his support, wisdom and guidance over most of my career and Jeff Blashill for taking over and leading us to another playoff year. I am confident that Coach Blashill will have a high level of success and will continue to add to the great history of the Detroit Red Wings.


“Finally and most importantly, to the fans of the Detroit Red Wings throughout Michigan, the United States and Canada (as well as those in Russia and elsewhere). I so appreciated your passionate support over the years and truly enjoyed playing for you. I loved playing in Detroit!


“From the bottom of my heart I thank you all for everything.”



#2682560 Tootoo to TwoCity (CHI aka Second City)

Posted by 55fan on 07 July 2016 - 04:47 PM

Now that's a clever title. :D

When he was with the Devils I wanted him to play with Ruutu"..." Imagine that

Sometimes he did.  It was fun listening to it.  Our local USHL team has a guy named Roo.  I wanted to get him on a line with them.  Ruutu to Tootoo to Roo to Ruutu.....


I'm glad Jordin is employed, but I hate that he's with a team that I hate to watch.  Maybe he'll accidentally injure Kane and get traded...

#2682535 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by NerveDamage on 07 July 2016 - 11:20 AM


I guess your left hand is the winning hand then


#2682524 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by Echolalia on 07 July 2016 - 10:17 AM

Dude those are just words. You had a solid 8hrs of rest and now you're voting better. That's all there is to it.

#2682523 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by kickazz on 07 July 2016 - 09:45 AM

I changed my vote to better. For now.

Last year almost everyone on the team regressed which is an extreme outlier for a team full of youngsters who are projected to get better. I think part of their regression was due to poor coaching.

This year we still have the same youngsters and many of them are entering their prime. With the change in coaching staff and Blashill gaining some insight, they should be better.

Datsyuk was good on paper but when it came down to it he wasn't here for the first few months and if you guys recall he didn't find his mojo for a few months (remember how LGW were bashing him in november and december?) additionally he didn't really show up in the playoffs. So realistically Datsyuk aka The Magic Man was only really here between January and April. I think Nielsen is Datsyuk's replacement with the added element that he'll probably actually play most of the season. So he'll be an "upgrade" in terms of long term reliability to an older, injured Datsyuk.

I take back what I said about Vanek being Richard's replacement. I no longer consider him Richard's replacement, but rather Johan Franzen's replacement. The two are similar in that neither is as fast in their current phase of hockey while both are supposed to be goal scorers around the net in close quarters and PP specialists net front presence.

I don't think Larkin is going to have a "sophomore slump" , I actually think he'll be better. I actually can't recall if any of our rookies have even gone through sophomore slumps. Tatar went from scoring 17 to 29 goals in his second year and Nyquist maintained his 27-28 goal range in his second year. If anything they had a "junior" slump.

Lastly, and I think this is the main reason why I switched to better.. is Petr Mrazek. After his first legitimate 82 game season he showed us flashes of what we see consistently from Carey Prices hightlights. Mrazek went through a pretty s***ty slump after having a Vezina like performance for 2-3 months. First goalie to stop 15 shots on goal by Alexander Ovechkin, (arguably the best goal scorer in NHL history) in a single game speaks volumes to his potential Imo. Mrazek is now one year more experienced, and if he can maintain his consistency HE will be the sole reason this team wins out games. He was our Carey Price from November- January. He needs to be our Carey Price from October - April. The rest will follow suit.

So I think they'll be better than the 2016 Red Wings and as good as the 2015 Red Wings. But not as good as 2013 Red Wings that took Chicago to game 7.


#2682518 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 07 July 2016 - 07:34 AM

I never take much stock in +/-, and certainly not for a player on a team as terrible as Flint was last season. They finished 3rd last in the league, with a 0.338 win percentage a -95 goal differential... Also when you consider only one player on the entire team had a positive +/- rating with a +2, and the worst was a -45, it puts Vili's -15 somewhat in perspective...


Saarijarvi had a great year in junior and I expect him to improve on those numbers next season in Mississauga, but whether or not his game and lack of size (5'9, 165lbs.) will translate to the NHL is the question...

#2682379 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 06 July 2016 - 10:13 AM

Imo it's better to use them when comparing two equal players. For instance comparing Nyquist vs Tatar or Kopitar vs Toews. You wouldn't want to compare Smith to Lidstrom because it wouldn't be a fair comparison given one played 28 minutes a night while the other plays 15 or less. It's also a good way to see how a player contributed to his team.

#2682365 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 06 July 2016 - 07:38 AM

VM, the numbers absolutely do hold up if you understand what they represent. Like I said, they're not the be-all, end-all, so unless you're using other stats, they're obviously going to give you a flawed outlook. No different if you only used +/- to determine a players worth. And no, they don't say that Smith is better than Lidstrom, that's just ridiculous. Like any single stat alone doesn't tell the whole story, this is no different. No one would suggest that Smith was better last season than Lidstrom was in 2010-11 (when he won his 7th Norris Trophy), based on there +2, -2 ratings, would they? So why would anyone suggest Smith is better than Lidstrom based on corsi numbers? That argument makes zero sense...

#2682362 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by VM1138 on 06 July 2016 - 06:59 AM

These charts aren't ridiculous. Of course they aren't the be-all, end-all, and shouldn't be the only thing used to evaluate players, but they are a very important tool. Just like you shouldn't just use point totals as an indicator of a players worth, or the eye-test, you shouldn't just use these HERO charts or any other single variation of data.

All of these advanced analytics are very new to a lot of people, and if you don't understand them, they can be pretty intimidating at first. I don't think it's a big deal if you don't understand them, but it is a problem if you flat out refuse to understand them. And I know for a fact there are some on here that will do whatever they can to avoid this "nonsense". Unfortunately for them, this nonsense is growing more and more, and soon enough you'll have to adapt with it. To me, it's really no different than when shots on goal started being tracked, or hits, or blocked shots. It's just a new way of tracking stats...

By the way, this isn't meant directly against you, nyquististhefuture, just at anyone that may not like these charts and advanced stats...

It's not that we don't understand them or are intimidated by them. It's that the numbers don't hold up unless they are properly contextualized. Any statistician would tell you the same thing but these analytic fans don't realize that. Plus they love to talk down to the rest of us, which added together makes us long time hockey fans disregard most things stats fans say.

I think we have to have a combination. If the stats seem way off the mark (like Smith being better than Lidstrom) we can't just blindly accept them. There's room for intuition, observation and stats, taken altogether.

#2682281 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by kickazz on 05 July 2016 - 02:19 PM

Horrendous post. Step your game up, seriously. Are you 12 years old? Lots of RW fans defend Holland all the time, cite his rings, etc. Jesus Christ.

I think almost everyone here agrees that Nerve is a phenomenal poster while you... lol let's not get into that. Great thread title btw.
Let's reverse the question. What would it take for a Holland hater to stop hatin'

#2682263 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by NerveDamage on 05 July 2016 - 12:06 PM

Hey! The "..." is my thing, find your own! :lol:


#2682247 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by NerveDamage on 05 July 2016 - 10:45 AM

Im talking about what move Kenny would have to make for his supporters to finally turn on him.


is there such thing as a Holland apologist? I mean there are a lot of sky's falling gloomers...but I think most of us are critical of him and few are constructive about it.

If this happened Holland would be in deep crap with the ASPCA first for bagging all of those pugs and secondly for using them as a weapon.... the poor pugs. For the love of God think of the pugs!!!