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#2566662 1/27 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Panthers 4

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Today, 12:34 AM

 

Franzen goes through droughts every single year.  He was on a goal scoring drought this year.  I don't see what the difference is?  He had 16 goals and 25 assists last year in 54 games.  He had 7 goals and 15 assists in 33 games this year.  It's that that much of a drop off.  Especially given how hot and cold he runs.  Again, I'm not saying we've got to keep the guy or anything.  He's clearly not necessary for the team's success.  But I think this Franzen has regressed narrative is overblown.  

 

Also, can we all agree that using plus/minus to make a point you want to, and then lambasting it as a "worthless stat" the rest of the time, is shaky at best.  I've seen you personally talk trash about the plus/minus stat.  So I'm not sure why you're using to make a case now. 

Okay I can see that - Maybe the "Franzen has regressed" narrative is overblown. I did seen in places people say that "injuries have caught up on him and he's done." I definitely don't buy that. But looking at goals, he is set for the lowest goals per game since his second year. You're right, though, It wouldn't be a huge drop off and he has been playing with lesser line-mates often this season so you could credit it to that. I do think, if the season was over today, it would be looked at as a down year for him. I hope he goes back to the way he looked in the first 10 games. 

 

My thinking for using +/- is because -12 is a large enough number that I thought it to be significant. If one player contradicts the trending stats of the whole team dramatically (and doesn't play on the PK) then I do think it shows something. The only other regulars with a minus are Nyquist (-2) and Miller (-1). Thinking about it now, though, you could partly explain Franzen's -12 by the fact that he's been with lesser line-mates. Also, comparing his stats to the team's now does skew the picture since the team has been winning since he's been out - I'd have to look at the stats when he went down to be fair.




#2566376 1/27 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Panthers 4

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 January 2015 - 08:56 PM

I think the wheels are officially on the bus!




#2565798 Time for Teemu?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 January 2015 - 01:14 PM

who considered him a top ufa ? Actually Hossa was 29 when he signed with us https://www.toledobl...for-1-year.html Like I've said for the right return nobody should be off limits and that price will obviously ridiculously high. But do you really expect to get back a player that can help us on the backend for years by offering so so prospects ? That's not gonna happen. Pietrangelo was RFA and could have been offer sheeted just as an example. Yeah Suter signed elsewhere couldn't do anything about that but the wings could flex their financial muscle when it comes to offer sheeting other top players. So what's your solution then keep building and building till Pasha and Z can't carry the team anymore ? Even if that's your plan there isn't enough on this team for every prospect so trades need to happen might as well cash in when the value us highish

There is no financial muscle - that's the whole point of the salary cap. And I think you know how likely it is to land someone on an offer sheet. 

 

Solution is to build from the draft, which we've done. Try to pick up college free agents (Dekeyeser, Glendening) AND take a swing in Free agency. Alfie and Weiss were top free agents. we haven't done as badly in free agency as some suggest. If we finish where we're at in the standings now, we'll be pretty attractive as a destination.

 

Edit: Also, this year looks like a better crop of free agents: Green, Erhoff, and Franson, Boychuck, Marc Staal, Petry, Jackman, Martin are set to be UFAs this year. Some will get signed before then, but who knows...




#2565761 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 January 2015 - 03:13 AM

Hes playing on the 3rd line like you mentioned with matt Cullen and Gabriel bourque , don't think he's gonna get big numbers with those linemates .... He's still 23

I find it funny how holland is now saying he paid a heavy price considering when the trade happened he was basically trying to convince everyone jarnkrok was worthless

That didn't happen.

 

I don't really read it as Holland admitting a mistake. He's just saying that you can't do that every year. He defends the move saying the line carried us for a while and gave us hope, which it did. THat was the purpose - make the playoffs.

 

I don't think it was a mistake anyway. We made the playoffs - it was a necessary evil. There was little chance Jarnkrok would find a space on a team that has so many centers that Weiss is on 4th line wing. Jarnkrok could have been used in a trade for a long term need (RH D), but who knows if having him would make a deal happen that won't without him  




#2565351 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 January 2015 - 02:19 AM

I'm actually totally fine with that. We just need to find a taker for Kindl, We should try one of the RH soon, Pursue Franson and Greene in the offseason.




#2564931 Randy Carlyle relieved of his duties by Leafs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 January 2015 - 03:40 PM

Hold on, you say "gym freak" and "math freak" a lot, and now I can't figure out what you mean when you add the work freak. Do you like or not-like the fact that they fired Randy and brought in a genius numbers whiz? Cause I'm pretty positive u like gym freaks. I think.

Clearly you're just too much of a consistency freak.




#2564854 Randy Carlyle relieved of his duties by Leafs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 January 2015 - 11:34 AM

Shutout loss would have been hilarious... but Kadri scored. #FREEKADRI

Only their second goal in five games. In the last five games, they've been outscored 15 - 2.

 

The frustration on the part of the Leafs players was palpable as well.

 

Just the highlights:

 

Kessel looking to the rafters and "re-doing" his shot attempt after missing a tasty open net.

Phaneuf roaming the ice just looking to fight someone -- "Hello, Staal brothers!"

Franson smashing his stick on net after missing blocking E. Staal's EN goal at the end of regulation.

 

Phaneuf might have gotten the better of the Staal brothers in hits and the fight, but the look on Eric Staal's face at the end of the game when he tees up that slapper at Phaneuf is in-*******-credible.  Just seething.

Rubs hands together. It's all going according to plan - The madder Franson gets, the less likely he stay in TO and we can have a chance at him free agency. The possibility of Greene and Franson in free agency is exciting. We'll be a more attractive team this year as well.




#2564219 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 18 January 2015 - 01:24 PM

If marchenko can be claimed next season then I'm sure an ahl all star defensemen at 22-23 yrs of age will be claimed by a team like Edmonton

I'd love to see him play a few games now and see what he can do , same as jensen but if these kids are gonna be lost through waivers for nothing I'd rather use them In a trade

Marchenko is not out of options next year - He signed in in 2013 at age 21 so had 3 years of waiver exemption. 

 

Neither is Jensen. Jensen signed in 2013 at age 23 and so he also had 3 years of exemption status

 

http://www.pensionpl...uide-to-the-nhl

 

For added interest:

 

Sproul signed at 19 in 2012 so he had 4 years exemption.

XO signed at 19 in 2012 so he had 4 years exemption.

Backman signed at 21 in 2013 so 3 years exemption

 

Looks like they're all good until the beginning of 2016-17. I think that's correct, but I might have missed an early birthday or something.




#2563726 1/15 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Blues 2 (OT)

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 16 January 2015 - 01:32 AM

A week ago, people were screaming to trade for a goalie cuz they didn't think Mrazek could get it done ... now people are proposing we trade Howie and let Mrazek run with it (in another post).  I thought the Wings fan base was more intelligent than that ... guess I was wrong.  

The media (NHL.com, few other non-local writers) speculated that we needed a trade for goalie. I didn't really see anyone around here propose that. 

 

Love Mrazek. Love how nonchalantly he was handling the puck in overtime with players on him.  




#2563380 Could the Wings be better off trading Pav & Hank for draft picks?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 15 January 2015 - 06:04 PM

Bolded my responses

A team hovering around middle of the pack for an extended period of time.

We're 4 pts. out of 1st in the East. 

A team that struggles to get the puck out of the defensive zone.

Correct 

A team who's offense is being hampered because they all have to wait around for the puck to advance or stay in the D zone to help get it out.

So we trade away the 2 player with the most points to fix our offence?

A team that has had over six years to address the D in either free agency or trade and has not been able to find the right blend of value.

Sick of this one. After Lidstrom/Rafalski/Stuart leaving there was bound to be readjustment. The D has been fine this year (though it needs offensive upgrade) and we have a lot of great prospects - Our D will be alright going forward.

I see a team that is fun to watch and follow that is going to need an influx of talent within two years and because the new NHL it is tough "for us" to aquire via trade or Free Agency.

Influx of new talent:  XO, Pulkkinen, Sproul, Marchenko, Jensen, Mantha, Athanasiou, Mrazek, Larkin, Melen (for BottleofSmoke)

There are contending teams on the edge that DO have quality prospects that could contribute in a couple years.

LIke us? (See above)

How long is Hank goung to love having his lower back targeted 80 games a year without a real shot at going deep into the playoffs?

He signed the huge deal - he knew there would be down years. He's won a cup, played in the playoff every year of his career - few players can say that. I doubt his view on the situation is as yours is. 

Is Pav satisfied playing withought the opportunity to go deep?

The fact that he just re-signed and said he wanted to end his NHL career here says he's happy with the situation/direction 

Are Hank & Pav are content, I hope they are.  I really do.  It's a board. it's about exchanging ides.

Agreed, but you should have known your proposal would be greeted with a lot of push back.




#2562118 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 09 January 2015 - 05:54 PM

 

He was projected to be a "secondary-scorer" and "PP specialist" when he was drafted and during his time in Europe because he was a "bad skater" and had "questionable work ethic".

 

I don't know where you've been, but that pretty much all went out the window the moment he touched NA ice. He's the most dominant prospect in the entire AHL, especially at his age. He has tremendous work ethic, skating, sense, and natural ability. He's pretty much going down the exact same road as Nyquist.

 

He's definitely a coveted prospect at this point that probably has a 99.99% of not being traded.

And set a record for GR rookie scoring last year. Leads AHL in goals. currently tied record games with consecutive games with a goal. He does seem to be a special player.

 

We've had this argument on the board with Dickie in the past over Mantha, Tatar, Mrazek... I think he more disagrees with the idea that any prospect shouldn't be considered for trades. It's a valid stand point - valuing proven talent always at the expense of potential. I think our recent history of success with our prospects should be a lesson against that maxim, though.

 

If I've read your stance wrong, Dickie. apologies




#2560780 Bertuzzi hoping for Professional Tryout

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 January 2015 - 11:26 PM

Oilers? He always struck me as a good locker room presence. 

 

Good luck Bert!




#2559867 Lines Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 December 2014 - 01:49 PM

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco
Franzen-Helm-Nyquist
Miller-Glendening-Weiss
 

Because that worked so well last game.

Oh wait, I forgot. Babcock's going to yell at them and tell them to work harder. :glare:

I feel like it's a bit of a conundrum, though. I actually like the look of those lines on paper (except Weiss on the 4th line). What do we change?

-We could swap Weiss and Helm, but I feel like Helm's been playing well.

-We could put Weiss in Franzen's spot, let Franzen sit a game and give Cleary a spot on the 4th, but we know that won't happen.

 

Or we could do the big jumble and reunite some lines that have worked in the past:

Franzen-Z-Nyquist (worked last year. Mule shouldn't be rewarded with 1st line duties, but these lines are spread out and less hierarchical) 

Tats-Shea-Abby 

Weiss-Dats-Helm (our too many Cs line worked when Dats came back from injury)

Miller-Glen-Jurco (Jurco on the 4th looks ugly, but this line had some good push earlier)




#2559866 12/29 GDT - Red Wings 2 at Bruins 5

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 December 2014 - 01:17 PM

I criticize Babs quite a bit for his lines and TOI management, but Abby has been just fine this season. 9 goals, 18 points in 30 games is excellent production.

I think the larger concern is guys like Glendening, Miller, Helm and Franzen receiving better linemates and more chances than Weiss, Tatar and Jurco. Last night was the perfect example. The Wings get down a couple of goals, Helm goes into the top-six and then we barely saw Weiss or Jurco. Franzen has one goal in 15 games and is -13 this season. Weiss and Jurco have made just about any line they have played on better, yet they somehow always find themselves in the non-skilled fourth line role.

I agree that Weiss and Jurco deserve a better spot in the lineup, but Tats is on the 2nd line and on the 2nd PP so I don't know what more opportunity you mean there. Glendening and Miller are not receiving better linemates than them. They are the non-skilled fourth line that you talk about.

 

Franzen's been delegated to the 3rd line where he hasn't been in a long time. You don't want him any lower because Franzen would be pretty useless on the 4th line checking role, in my opinion.

 

Helm's been fine in my opinion. Always has jump while some have disappeared. Doesn't have hands around the net, but drives the play and creates opportunities.

 

If you look at most analysis of why we've done well this year, most credit a significant amount to our ability to limit shots/chance and our PK. That's Glendening and Miller - they've been really good at what they do - That's why they've played. Especially in a game like last night where we were under seige - you've got to put the ramparts up which means get our defensive guys out there. It's not like our offence was buzzing and begging for more ice time. But we do need a line shakeup to get some offence going.




#2557557 Happy Birthday to Everyone's Favorite Wing!

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 18 December 2014 - 06:07 PM

To mark the occasion, I hope he'll drink until he falls down.

 

 

 

 

 

...by which, of course,  i mean no drinks.