E is the only guy that has value and he's on a huge contract so no value to other teams. Our young guys on defense are not that good, I'm sorry. If you compare Smith with other teams "blue chip prospect" he is developing at a snail pace. I'm not trying to compare him to Ekbald or anything. Guys like Torey Krug and what not. Im sorry but Smith should be a little farther along I would have no confidence in assuming he can develop into a top 4 on a winning team
Fine, you don't like Smith, but you proposed giving up Smith AND Dekeyser. I think that hurts us on defense. We might get a good top defender, but then we're top heavy. If you're going to give up 2 really good players at least make it a forward and a defensman. But anyway, I would be against pretty much anything involving Dekeyser.
Yandle is being underrated by Wings fans. Anybody that is choosing a team is going to take Yandle well before they take Kronwall but luckily, we don't have to choose because we'll have both! It's called defensive depth and when you only have one skilled puck mover you start to notice that puck movement and overall game is filled with inconsistency. I wouldn't be the least bit upset if we traded Jurco and Sheahan for Yandle and I also wouldn't be opposed to packaging Smith and Dekeseyer for another big time RH top 4 so we'll have elite defense. Because isn't that what this is all about, improving to become elite. Seems like this forum only cares about how good our prospects can get. Passing up on Yandle is dumb unless Holland wants to wait 2 or more years to see if Smith or Dekeseyer can grow into that role and by that time we'll have to give up on our forward depth anyways
I understand that you're sacrificing for a big name, but getting rid of those 2 would be WAY too much. They are two solid players heading into their prime that can be a solid #3 and #4 (or may develop higher) for the rest of their careers. Not to mention they're pretty cheap at the moment. I really don't know which RH Dman could be worth giving them both up.
To me, our Tradable roster Dmen goes: 1.KIndl, 2.Lashoff (does his job, but easily sacrificed) 3.Quincey, 4.Ericsson
I agree the timing was terrible last year. But I'm just saying the teams health is still not where it needs to be.
Also z and Ericsson could also have had lingering effects of their injuries from last year. Ericsson started the season slow. And while z is still producing, he isn't quite where he shoukd be yet.
I think perfect health is unrealistic. Look around the league, teams are rarely 100% these days. We have been relatively healthy and none of the injuries have hurt us all that much - I think that's "where it needs to be."
For a push in the playoffs, we do need Z to find his game. He's coming back from surgery and he's has many seasons with slow starts - I'm not that worried
You do realize we have had the injury big all year(like some like me predicted) but it hasn't slowed us down at all in the standings(which I'm glad I was wrong about!).
But I'm pretty sure we have had a significant guy out in just about every game this year?
Dat, Franzen, Weiss, smith, Abby, Howard, now DD and others like monster and Quincey etc etc
Before Abdelkader went down, we had a stretch of games where the only one hurt was Monster. With Mrazek to step in for him that injury is barely noticed.
If you're counting all those players as significant then most of our roster is significant. Maybe "others like Monster and Quincey" meant less significant? Also. I love Smith and Abby, but I think significant injuries only means stars and starting goalie.
If you look at this link for the first 20 games of the season, The WIngs are 7th in players lost by caphit amount. We had Weiss out for that period and I think that accounts for that high ranking. He seems to have turned a corner with his injury situation and I think we've been closer to the middle of the pack since he's been back.
Also, if you look at the link, for the first 20 games we've lost 43 man games without considering caphit. They don't rank that, but, looking at that column, I think we were 16th in number of man games lost. (Maybe somebody can check out my counting)
Though we've lost games for some big players, but I'm not so worried about our injury situation. Last year we had a lot of players battling long term situations.
Weiss seems to be on track, Helm too. Z had his surgery. Dats didn't have anything done and has been out so he could be a concern, but his current hot streak argues against that.
It may be tough to admit, but I think both D and Z are beyond their prime years. Both will still have stretches of greatness, but I don't think either would sustain for a real lengthy period of time. It's just the way things work.
And yet Datsyuk has been playing as good as ever for a while now. So it's just a stretch of greatness? We'll see.
Not too worried about Zetterberg. He's was coming back from surgery and still leads the team in points. Not everyone on the team will be at the top of their game all at once. I'm happy that now we have a deep enough team that certain hot streaks can cover others cold streaks.
The team is having a strong start but it's not like we've won the cup the past 5 years in a row. The past few years this team HAS been broke. Just saying.
You took my comment without the context, but anyway, has been broken is different than Is broken. It's not the same team as the past 5 years. Besides, I don't think coaching is to blame for the downturn of the past 5 years - It the fact that we've been rebuilding the roster.
I wouldnt mind seeing what Blashill could do. Little crazy? yes but i say give it a shot. I do question babcocks theories quite often but then again hes an nhl coach and im a college student so what do i know:p
Babcock a large part of why we're doing better than expected. It seems to me, from comment in the media, that he's built a good relationship with our young players. Before this year i was on the fence about babs coming back, but it's clear to me that we're on a path where we can have some real success in the coming years. Changing coaches could put that in jeopardy.
XO has officially become an overrated prospect! Congratulations everyone! Us, LGW, did it! 9 months from now, when we are all demanding he be traded, just remember it was us, the true red wings fans, who got him here.
I know you're joking (as always) so maybe I shouldn't point this at you... but I don't get why people in this thread are saying he's overrated, overhyped, etc. The only opinions I've seen is some saying that he should be in the lineup over Kindl. That's not really a grand statement - it is also Babcock's opinion as well. XO's shown himself to be quite ready in his call-ups and is the most ready of our AHL Dmen.
I don't think Kindl has been all that bad, but he is often a defensive liability. Ouellet could realistically be more solid.
Now, if someone has called him the second coming of Lidstrom and I didn't see it - my apologies.
Euro_Twins, I don't care what logo a player wears now, Franson would look great on our blueline. Do I think we will land him? Not a chance, but I would love to have him here. He's exactly the type of defenseman this team needs, a big body that hits a ton, shot blocking machine, right handed shot, power-play quarterback. What's not to like? I'd include Ouellet in a deal for him without hesitation.
Franson would be a great addition, but he's a UFA after this year so I wouldn't think it smart to give up a prospect as good and NHL ready as Ouellet for 3/4th of a year of him.
Anyway, no way the Leafs deal him to us.
Franson's had some problems negotiaing with the Leafs in past years - I'm hoping he wants to check out free agency next summer.
Just get rid of Lashoff. He's a plug anyways and Ouellet is better than Kindl. Another case of "overripe" when it isn't necessary.
Do we want Ouellet as the 7th defenceman, though? If we waived Lashoff and kept Kindl as #7 that be fine with me except that that would make it even harder to trade him off and that would be his path to a buyout in the summer. He would then mark against the cap for 2 more years.