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#2684177 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Yesterday, 11:04 PM

Idk, something about Swedish Mafia Don influencing the future captain or something. Whatever caption pleases you. 



Because of the Swedish connection, I can only see that picture as the famous scene from The Seventh Seal.


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#2684072 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 July 2016 - 03:46 PM

Fair enough.


So I think all the business of the offseason is done unless Kenny surprises us with a trade. This seems like the most uncertain feeling we've had going into the year. Will Nyquist and Tatar return to form? Will Blash learn from the mistakes of last year? How will Nielson (and to a lesser extent Vanek) fit into the lineup? What will the PP and PK look like with 2 new ass. coaches? Who will we lose from the D prospects? A lot of big questions and the season could end up many ways, I think. 

#2683993 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 26 July 2016 - 11:05 PM


Miller Pulkkinen Aubrey Bertuzzi Frk Callahan and whoever else can fight for the last 3 spots. They're not going to win the Cup with what they have now, might as well let the kids play.

Okay, so you just didn't like the Helm or Neilson signings. I'm wary of the Nielson deal, but I don't know much about him so I'm waiting to see. I think Nielson is a definitely a possibility to a block against young players because I think AA could be a 2nd line center in a couple years. Helm I think will just be push down the lineup if Mantha or Jurco come in and grab a spot.


I just disagree with the narrative I've seen around that Helm, Glendening are blocking the kids. They're 29 and 27 - I think they're good pieces and they can be part of a contending team in a few years. I think Miller, Ott, Vanek, are signings that won't be part of that future and take roster spots away from Jurco, Pulkkinen Mantha(should start in GR)


I do think E is a longterm contract that has blocked some worthy young players.

#2683840 DeKeyser files for arbitration...

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 25 July 2016 - 04:02 PM

Hudler was a special case, that was eventually deemed invalid after returning from the KHL was it not? I remember something about it, but can't remember exactly how it all went down...


Regardless, that doesn't change the point that we have plenty cap space to sign both remaining RFA's, and it will likely happen before they reach arbitration...

The way I remember it is he was awarded his 2 year contract through arbitration, but decided to play in the KHL instead (maybe wasn't happy with the ruling). Then he honored the arbitration deal when he returned.

#2683678 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 July 2016 - 10:07 PM

Comparing him as a top 6 winger to third line centers is an apples to oranges comparison. He's so good at center he hasn't been used there in 2 years

He wasn't moved off center because he's wasn't good at it. We've lacked wingers and had a bunch of lower line centers so Helm played wing. To me, his ability to play in many situations is one of his strengths.


Helm's not a top 6 winger. haven't seen anyone argue that. 


There was some nice goals from mr. no hands this past year. 3 were GWG (tied for 3rd on the team behind Lark and Abby). Think he would have had a better year if he hadn't had the concussion in training camp which I think accounted for the slump to start the year.

#2683645 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 July 2016 - 02:32 PM

Yeah, 200 fans equates to 6-7 fans per team IF they spread out equally the responders over the fanbases. But it doesn't seem that they did that - they just took whoever responded. Could be all Tampa fans. Regardless of what fans they are, they ranked the entire league and I guarantee most fans know very little about how all teams draft, etc.

#2683603 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 July 2016 - 05:50 PM

That twitter page also mentions Edlaer for Tatar/Nyquist as a possibility and mentions Tanev as a player Canucks might be willing to move. It all seems more like speculation.

#2683559 Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 July 2016 - 02:19 AM

Should've made your username SergeiViktorovichFedorov  :brow:

I say we draft the next Russian we find with a V_ _ _ _ _ _vich middle name.

#2683556 Who should get A?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 July 2016 - 01:43 AM

I'm actually on board with Larkin, though I think I voted for Abby originally. I think the team's at the point that the young players need to be taking over the load and it would be a good message that the team is yours based on your present contribution rather than a hierarchy of experience. DK would be a good option for that message as well, but Larkin is more of a lock to be an elite player on the Wings for a long while.

#2683539 Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 July 2016 - 06:37 PM


I have a feeling you are in the minority here. From my understanding, Kelly never won a Hart trophy which when you think about it, is an amazing individual feat. Something even Yzerman and Lidstrom never did.

To be fair, D men (which he was with the WIngs, but not the Leafs) are much less likely to receive the Hart - especially after the Norris was introduced in 54. He was a runner up one year, though, and won the Norris and 3 Byngs. But you're right - Fed's Hart, 2 Selkes, and Leaster B. probably wins out, though the later 2 weren't around during Kelly's time (so it's comparing a Hart to a norris).


...and Feds is my all-time favourite so I'm not going say he wasn't the better one.

#2683284 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 15 July 2016 - 10:46 PM

They can't become good nhl players if Holland blocks them from playing because of Helm and Glendening

But we have players lower on the food chain than Helm and Glendening. Why is the attack on them? Just the money issue?


No Miller/Ott gets you Mantha and you can bump Helm down a line. Or you get Frk or Bertuzzi.


Then if we don't sign Vanek (who I don't think should be here long term) then you can have Mantha.








I think Mantha needs more development time, so I'm fine with Vanek for a year and let Mantha steal his spot sometime during the year. Giving Pulkkinen or Jurco a shot could have been a better for the team, though.


Don't like the Miller/Ott signings.

#2683203 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 14 July 2016 - 03:27 PM

I like Glendening. It's a bit too much money, but I'm not sure why people are complaining about the 4 year term. 27 year old players that could be UFAs don't usually sign contracts that short. He'll be 32 at the end of it - we'll get his best years. 


Also, something that might be considered for context in the overpayment is that Glendening's previous cahit (628.333) and salary was ridiculously low - if you think of it as back payment the 2 contracts probably equal out to a fair amount for cool hand Luke.

#2683125 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 14 July 2016 - 02:02 AM

I don't think there's much of a chance we'll see Frk unless its on a later call up. When's the last time a player made the team without earlier call ups? (Larkin's situation doesn't count) I think if he had a future he would have been chosen instead of AA or Mantha for earlier call ups.


I still think Ott won't play much and will be sent down to make room when come upon roster problems.


The D situation will be very interesting to see play out. I do think the # of NHL games shows what the organization thinks. XO's 25 games says to me that the 7th spot is his. Jensen's never even had 1 NHL game so I think he's definitely sent down. I've really wanted the 6'4" righty, Sproul, to get more of a chance than his 1 game. I hope we keep him up as a group of 8.   

#2682990 Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 July 2016 - 03:42 PM

Maybe it's a different experience with the US's airport security. I travel Montreal-Toronto regularly (yes not 2.5 hrs, but domestic so check in is the same) and I leave my place 1 hr before flight (weekdays, the airport is easy to get through). 15 min cab rides. Only a carry-on, so no baggage check. Under 2 hrs. on both sides combined. But fine, I withdraw my insanity comment. Maybe Datsyuk will live out in the boonies.


There's so many other problem's with this idea, anyway. For instance, Datsyuk as a travelling KHL player often won't even be flying out of St. Petersburg. But more than anything: St. Peterborough is wwwwwwaaaaayyyyyy closer than Detroit. Anyway, I'm going to excuse myself from all these why Datsyuk left/was he justified conversions - they're oddly infuriating and I also feel a little creepy with all the speculations about the specifics about how Datsyuk lives his private life.

#2682980 Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 July 2016 - 01:31 PM

I don't really understand your first comment? He did an interview with Mitch Albom, he authorized the release of it on April 11th - this is what started the "rumours"? If this isn't seen as a distraction to a professional franchise (that happens to have 19 other players starting a playoff series at different points in their careers) - I don't know what to tell you.


It isn't me who "keeps citing" the 30 hour drive, that was the first time I commented on it (do your homework) - but unfortunately it happens to be a fact that makes his excuse for leaving less legitimate. Yes, we are all aware that planes travel at faster speeds than automobiles, but planes also travel from Russia to Detroit - and if a 3 hour flight (which is really a 6-7 hour travel commitment) is going to change his relationship with his daughter, I don't really believe it. 


If our team was competitive, he probably finishes out his contract. Instead he left to play for the best team in the KHL, while he still has a couple years left to chase a championship. The Illitch family threatened him with a lawsuit one year ago (when he initially wanted to leave) and probably cut him a deal. Something tells me that

same family won't be hanging the #13 in their new building.

This is not correct. The rumours started before the Albom article. It was even reported on Hockey Night in Canada about a week or 2 before. Datsyuk was trying to quell the speculation and said he wanted fans to hear it from him. You can call the article a distraction, but the questions were already being asked so it would have been a distracting storyline anyway.


A 3 hour flight is 7 hour commitment? Insanity. Anyway, I checked google when the 30 hour discussion was going onand it's a 2 and half hour flight. Domestic flight - show up an hour before, daughter greets you at airport. It's really crazy that people have had to go to such lengths to convince people that living in Russia is easier to see his daughter than across the world in Detroit. This a daughter from a previous marriage so he's not going home to live with her. Maybe he'll see her every few weeks compared to a few times in the few months of the offseason.