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#2686671 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Yesterday, 11:58 PM

Well, Callahan did play 1 NHL game and was pretty good from what I remember. I think injury played a role him not getting more of a shot.


I think last year was the first time he wasn't waiver exempt. That would make the previous year his overripe stage when we give most prospects a shot in their last entry-level year. He was on a good pace (38pts in 48games), but he saved a goal with his face and was out the rest of the year with a concussion/broken jaw. Maybe some of you remember the picture of his bloody toothless face that he posted. 

#2686641 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Yesterday, 05:07 PM

Solid play in the AHL gets you an AHL deal.

? Every player not named Larkin passes through the AHL - that's how they earn a spot in the NHL. Solid play in the AHL gets you a call up and the chance at a spot.


In his 3rd year in the AHL, Callahan scored 26 there. That's more than Tatar or Nyquist ever scored in the AHL. That's pretty good for a player who would be for a lower line role.


For someone constantly criticizing the Glen, Helm deals - Callahan would be the alternative to signing those guys - so I thought you would advocate for him. 


I would have liked to give Callahan a shot rather than signing either Miller or Ott.

#2686535 9/27 Exhibition GDT : Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 September 2016 - 06:34 PM

You're living in the past, man!! 


Or maybe just posting in yesterday's GDT thread.

#2686340 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 26 September 2016 - 01:34 PM

Penalty killing ability is pretty tangible when you're in close games (which we will be often again this year). Ability to win faceoffs is an essential part of winning in todays game - Helm back at center will supply that. Speed does matter. Forechecking pressure matters. Ability to move from center to wing up and down the lineup is important for finding line combos whenever we need to change things up. And he does produce as a secondary scorer. He's overpayed, but this is not a player like Emmerton we're talking about here.


We're not paying him like a core player. I saw someone else say that and it looks like it's caught on. If we could get a core player for 3.8 we wouldn't be worrying about how to fit in Trouba's caphit as earlier on this page 

#2686322 2016 World Cup of Hockey thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 25 September 2016 - 06:20 PM

I think Tatar is a notch above Nyquist. They're similar types and I think their production will be fairly similar (depending on usage, of course).


The thing I notice about Tatar just seems to be a greater drive and he seems to create pressure and offensive more from my view. Maybe that can be represented by corsi or something. Nyquist's penchent for chicken-winging to get a hooking call and some diving has also kind of made me turn against him a bit, but that doesn't really make him a lesser player - it just bothers me. I know every player does it to a certain extent, but he does do it a lot.


Good for Tats in this tournament. Hopefully he and Mrazek will be boosted by some confidence going into the year


With Team Europe doing so well, I think it's good evidence against Frank and other's assertion that us getting a whole bunch more Michigan players will lead to better chemistry. Here you have players from 8 countries who seem to have found some pretty good chemistry.


Edit: I think it's interesting that the advisory board that helped chose the team included Lidstrom and Alfredsson and they must not have pushed for Nyquist. Then again, it's ultimately not their choice and Gus did have a down year.

#2686308 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 25 September 2016 - 03:28 PM


Lids probably helped Kronwell look better than he is.

Maybe in the sense that it allowed him to play on the 2nd pair, but they pretty much never played together, if that's what you meant.


I think Lids actually think made Kronwall look worse because people point of comparison was one of the best Dmen of all time. I think Kronwall was a fine #1 when he first made the switch, but injuries have quickly taken him off that level in recent years.

#2686305 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 25 September 2016 - 02:59 PM

This is where we disagree, I see Larkin as a very good player... maybe OUR best center. BUT not a top center in the league. Much the way Kronwall is our #1D but isn't a true #1D, and as time passes he may not even be a true #2D at this point.

Hence the word 'potential' that I used. Very few players in the NHL are 1st line centers in their first or second year in the league. I think he'll get to that level - maybe you think he'll stay at his current level - we haven't even seen him play much center so we'll see.


Edit: Regardless, you said he was like a lot of our other players and him as a 6'2" very fast well rounded center puts him as something we don't have elsewhere (maybe AA, but most project a lower ceiling for him), let alone the fact that he's the first player to make the team at 19 in such a long time. 

#2686276 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 September 2016 - 11:02 PM

Larkin is a better version of players we already have fast, smallish, skilled. Mantha has a skillset our is lacking... size and natural scoring ability.

I would trade Larkin for a clear #1 or soon to be #1 D. But I'd want a sweetener thrown in.

I don't hate Americans but if I have two players of more or less equal quality I'll take the Canadian every day of the week.

Strongly disagree with this part. Larkin is a center - what other pontential top line centers do we have in the system? Even potential top 6 centers probably just include him and AA.


Also, Larkin is 6'2" - is that really small? Even if you put ish on the end, I disagree. He was 190 last year, but he was 19 and he'll put more weight on. I'm assuming you're comparing him to Gus and Tats and they are 5'10 and 5'11"


To me, trading Larkin would just create the hole in the 1C position, which is almost as hard to fill as 1D.

#2686200 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 September 2016 - 08:34 PM

Simple put cleaning house.

Since this is the Dan Cleary PTO thread I'm not going to reply to that god damn rebuild discussion I will only say this to this f****** discussion:


straight out of the mouth from Ken Holland at 13:30


Back to the topic Dan Cleary completing a successful tryout or not doesn't  change a f****** damn thing at best it adds some much needed veteran presence to the junior Wings in GR.

Yet you did respond to that god damn rebuild discussion.


In this clip, Holland bumbles over his words so I can see why you heard that, but just before the part you quoted he says "I got conservative at the deadline, I'm trying to compete and we're trying to - is the word rebuild - I don't want to use the word reload because we're sitting here and you guys don't think we're very good..."


I would say, yes, Mr. Holland, that is the word, but it's easy to see why he's reticent to use the word. The jumble of terminology is the same problem we keep talking about here - as soon as you say rebuild, people think tank. But he is talking about keeping picks,, giving young players like Mantha and Nosek a shot, transitioning to young players and hoping some young players and picks turn us into the team that does more than just make the playoff and competes for a cup - that is the rebuild on the fly idea.

#2686075 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 18 September 2016 - 08:30 PM

Oh yeah, I remember he didn't go down to GR right away. That all makes sense.


It'd be better to have ex-NHL as the vets sharng advice, so more power to Cleary for doing that.  

#2685827 Mrazek's "Farewell to the Joe" Mask for 2016/2017

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 September 2016 - 05:30 PM

It's a nice design, but that's a pretty bad drawing of Yzerman!!


They used this photo, but somehow they made him look sick or something.

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#2685808 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 11 September 2016 - 07:25 PM

The sky is indeed falling. 


In the past few days, you've criticized deals for Z, Kronwall, Howard, Weiss, Franzen, Dekeyser, Ericsson, Helm, Abdelkader, Glendening, Neilson, Weiss, Howard, Vanek, Green and more. I think the list probably includes every UFA deal we've made in the recent memory. I would be curious what the last UFA deal you actually liked. Sure, some of these have been mistakes, but It seems that you are unrealistic about UFA deals in the modern NHL.


To use just one example, you have unrealistic expectations for UFA deals if you honestly think Glendening was going to get .900 for 2 years. The way the collective bargaining agreement is, UFAs get PAID. You have to be a cast-off, a buyout, or injured to get a 1-2 year deal as a 27 year old. I know you say "then let them walk", but I think everyone would be walking if a GM had your line of negotiations. Players and their agents would have to completely ignore all comparables.

#2685768 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 September 2016 - 11:06 PM

Oh I know and I agree that Dreger is one of the best, I just think he was fed bogus info and Helm's agent must have made it seem he had good offers from others.  It makes zero sense to me.  He's a decent player, but is easily replaced....he's the type of player that should be making league average in my opinion.

League average was 2.58 including entry level deals and RFA. I'd bet Helm's near the average for UFA deals.

#2685750 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 September 2016 - 04:20 PM

  • "Darren Helm’s NTC kicks in immediately and goes through the first three seasons of the deal (through 2018-19) with no modification. Only Helm waiving this clause would allow him to be traded.
  • If the Red Wings miss the playoffs in the 2018-19 season OR if Helm isn’t among the top 9 forwards on the team in terms of total ice time, then he will have no NTC protection between June 15th of 2019 and the trade deadline of the 2019-20 season (Year four of the deal).
  • If the Red Wings miss the playoffs in the 2019-20 season OR if Helm isn’t among the top 9 forwards in terms of TOI, then his NTC is void from June 15, 2020 throughout the remainder of the contract (June 30, 2021).

While any NTC probably shouldn't have been included, it was probably insisted upon by Helm's people so that he won't be headed to Vegas.

This quoted section, however, should alleviate some of Dickie's worries about Helm ending up on the 4th line in a few years. The team seems to be worried about that as well and left the option open to trade in that case.

To pre-empt some responses, If he plays himself onto the 4th line, then he might not be tradeable (at least without retaining some salary). It think it would be more due to our prospects taking over, though.

Deal was a year too long and a bit too much, but I'm still glad Helm's back.

#2685735 Whose autograph is this? Can someone help me?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 09 September 2016 - 11:16 PM

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I say it's definitely Kozlov. This Kozlov puck on ebay has an autograph that looks just like it. (but you have to blow it up and look past the graphics)