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In Topic: Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

31 August 2014 - 05:52 PM

No worries and to be honest I'm a bit shocked that the Oilers haven't turned it around but that Yakupov pick was a huge mistake. This is the first of season where they've tried to fix the defense and I expect them to finish a lot better but still out of the playoffs. My point was if a team has to be bad this would be the year to do it because McDavid and Eichel are the best draft picks since Crosby. I mean they are so good the nhl had to change the odds in order to prevent teams from tanking.


Point taken.  We are going to have to rebuild eventually.  The question is, do the Wings do that now or later.  From the way management has been moving, it looks like they are going to be looking to make the playoffs again.  I was not a fan of the Jarnkrok move at all. 

In Topic: Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

31 August 2014 - 04:57 PM


Then stop reading it, problem solved. I don't have the nerves nor time to  explain something so obvious.


The point is that there are no guarantees that your strategy will work.  Look at Edmonton.  They have had a number of #1 picks, but haven't had a sniff at the playoffs since they went to the finals back in 2006.  They have had some great young players drafted, but why the heck are they losing still?


Don't get me wrong, what you suggest is what happens to every team eventually.  There is a natural ebb and flow in hockey.  Every team is going to have down seasons, draft high, and then find themselves back in the cup hunt.  The Wings are going to have a down season or two here soon.

In Topic: Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

15 August 2014 - 08:07 PM

Jim Nil? Guy fixed Dallas center problem in 12 months and has people excited about the team again while still working on a tight budget. Ray Shero would be a nice choice also at least being him in as an assistant the guy has tons of experience and isn't afraid to trade players.


So far, he has made some good moves, but I don't know if what he did is going to work or not.  Last season, they finished 8th in the conference and got bounced in the first round.  If Dallas can put something together this year, then I will agree.

Oh, and Dallas is going to spend to the cap limit.  They aren't on a tight budget or anything because they aren't spending much.

In Topic: Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

14 August 2014 - 05:23 PM


That's a pretty easy challenge for you to win considering you never really know who is on the market as a GM until they take a job somewhere.   :lol:


This is true to some extent.  However, lets look at some of the people whom some fans wanted as GM of the Wings instead of Holland.


Yzerman - So far, he has done well at Tampa Bay.  Their roster this year looks better than last year.  Except since he took over, they made the playoffs their first year, missed the second year and third year, and then made it last year only to get swept in the first round.  Better than Holland?  That remains to be seen.


Ray Shero would be the only guy I would even consider being GM of the Wings. 

Nothing screams job accountability like giving an extension to a guy that's gotten consistently worse at his job each year in the last 5 years.


That pizza selling vegetable Ilitch needs to sell the team to someone who still gives a s***.  


So you don't believe in job accountability?


Just because someone was good 10 years ago, shouldn't give them a pass to be lazy at their current job.  


If his job is to ensure that we have a competitive team that competes for a championship every season, he has achieved his goal.


If you are measuring accountability by championship or nothing, then there are 29 other GMs who are also failing.

In Topic: Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

14 August 2014 - 01:22 PM

Really like it, our farm system has never looked better. The last few years haven't been ideal, but our playoff streak is still intact and Ken Holland is the reason. There isn't a franchise in the league that never has a few average seasons between great ones. His legacy is going on the line here though, if this team struggles and wastes the last few years of Dats/Zetterberg there aren't going to be fans lining up to reminding us of the 3 Stanley Cups we won with him and having the best team in the league from 1997-2010 which is unfortunate. Time will tell if Ken Holland has a master plan with this franchise, or if he's just meddling his last years in mediocrity hoping his past success will be his legacy.


My thoughts are you never know what you have until it's gone, and for me I think that rings true for Holland. Fans in Detroit have incredible expectations, which is understood, but I don't know of many hockey GM's in the history of the league that could satisfy this fan bases appetite of not only winning, but winning Stanley Cups for over 20 years. Notice I said the history of the league, I don't think there is a better option for the team right now other than Holland, he knows the players we have in the system, if our goal is to win it all soon he gives us our best option. If we want to tank, and surely waste the last years of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, and hopefully build up to a playoff franchise in 5 years then we should get a young GM and give him the reigns, I just don't think that's that right plan.


Best post in this thread.  I agree 100%.


Yes, I am not happy with Holland's lack of success when it comes to luring free agents.  At the same time though, he has kept us competitive.  We continue to make the playoffs, and people forget that a year ago, we took the cup champs to 7 games and had them on the ropes up 3 games to 1.  The cup champions last season were #6 in the western conference.  Making the playoffs, being healthy, and getting some puck luck is really all it takes to win the cup these days. 


For those of you who want to see Holland gone, I would challenge you to find a GM that is better on the market right now.  I see no reason to ditch Holland now in exchange for someone unknown or unproven.


I know I am happy with the work he has done in the past, and even though the Wings haven't won the cup or been to the cup finals since 2009, I am good with this signing.