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#2598826 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by Nightfall on 23 April 2015 - 05:27 PM

Here are my thoughts on the matter.


First off, I have been a fan of hockey only since 1995 when I first saw the sport.  I grew up in a area that didn't have hockey so I really didn't even see the sport.  It wasn't until I went to college when I saw my team play and absolutely loved the sport.  The pro game was just as much fun as the college game was.  Fighting was a cool aspect, but I hated the clutch and grab era of hockey and the college sport.  When the NHL changed to take that kind of buffoonary out of hockey, I was happy.  Same goes for the college game as well.


Now, I really did enjoy the enforcer era.  Back then, the enforcers were there to protect the star players.  Today, that is just not needed anymore.  If you look at skilled clubs like the Kings or the Blackhawks, neither of them have enforcers that are playing on a regular basis.  The Hawks signed Carcillo, and he has seen only limited action with the club.  Kyle Clifford plays for the Kings and he has 87 PIMs which leads the team over 80 games.


The game has changed, and I believe it is for the better.  The fans as a whole agree as well.  Ticket sales are up.  Profits are up.  The NHL is going to expand again in a few years.  The days of the enforcer are over for the most part.  The days of having Sherrif Parker from the Avs on the roster are gone.  Why have someone out there who just wants to beat the crap out of someone when you can have someone like Brian Bickell who is at least an offensive threat while having the ability to hold his own in an altercation?


I really feel for all the enforcers out there, but its just the way it goes.  When the game changes, either you change with it or you phase out.  All the players who could only defend by grabbing and clutching onto someone either dropped out of the league or adjusted their game.  Same goes for the players who could really only fight. 


Scott Parker was drafted in the 1st round of the NHL Entry Draft back in 1998.  He really knew how to fight and only had one strong season in the minors.  He was drafted for his toughness, not his skill.  After the NHL killed the clutch and grabbing, Parker saw his role reduced and eventually he was shipped out of town.  The Avs did bring him back in 08, but he couldn't adjust to anything other than fighting.  He dropped out of the league.


Now, if you look at junior hockey, players aren't being drafted for their ability to fight anymore.  Its all about the stats.  Puck possession, goals, assists, points, plus/minus, etc.  IMHO, that is where the game of hockey should be.

#2598477 Tsn's play of the year nyquist vs stamkos ...vote for gus

Posted by Nightfall on 23 April 2015 - 10:05 AM

Can't view the video outside of Canada?  That sucks.


I voted anyway.  At least they let me vote outside canada.

#2598454 Knuckles vs Numbers - The death of the enforcer

Posted by Nightfall on 23 April 2015 - 08:50 AM

A great video on how the stats in the game are killing the role of the enforcer.


#2596802 J Ericsson - really?

Posted by Nightfall on 20 April 2015 - 09:41 AM


By giving his 20 minutes a game to who exactly? 


There were no responses to this because there are no answers.  As you pointed out, if Jonathan were a 4th D-Man, this wouldn't be a discussion.  Because he is playing on the top line, everyone is watching him much closer.  I suppose you could bench him for Smith or keep Marchenko in the lineup for him, but I think we are making the team weaker with Jonathan out of the lineup.

#2596779 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Nightfall on 20 April 2015 - 07:47 AM

Little Bert is working his ass off for a roster spot next season.  So far, I love what he is bringing to the table with the Griffins.


As for the Griffins, despite losing on Saturday, they took the Midwest Division and are 2nd in the conference.  I believe they are 3rd overall in the AHL.  This team is going to make some noise in the playoffs with Blashill behind the bench.

#2595182 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Nightfall on 17 April 2015 - 07:54 AM

I have been watching the Griffins all season and they really are on fire right now.  This team is going to make some serious noise in the playoffs. 

#2593921 ECQF : (7) Sénateurs d'Ottawa vs. (2) Les Canadiens de Montréal

Posted by Nightfall on 16 April 2015 - 02:09 PM


He's as big of an idiot as Subban for threatening both the league and the Habs, especially in the post Bertuzzi-incident NHL.


Let the players handle it on the ice.  


Agreed.  An eye for an eye is so prevalent in our society.  It wasn't like Subban was trying to injure him.  The right call was made on the ice to give him 5 and a game.  Now, if the Sens players want to do something in retaliation, they better be ready to pay the price for it.  You know the refs will be watching and the penalties will be dealt out quickly.


The coaching staff should have just kept their mouths shut about it and just let the series play out.  Yes, Cameron is upset that he lost one of his better players.  I get it.  When Draper had his face crushed against the boards by Claude, Bowman didn't promise retribution or threaten.  He let his players handle it, and they did.  It took a few months, but it did happen.

#2592080 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Nightfall on 10 April 2015 - 02:39 PM

I'm honestly surprised they called a penalty on Smith rather than just have the faceoff.


I am not surprised to be honest.  I was more surprised at the Ryan Clowe penalty that wasn't called when he reached over the boards and stopped the puck with his stick in the middle of the play.  That was so blatant it isn't even funny.  This incident was Smith was insignificant, but if I saw it, I would call it.  Instant replay didn't show very much though.  Would have been an interesting coaches challenge.

#2592079 Definition of a real fan

Posted by Nightfall on 10 April 2015 - 02:36 PM

Ok, I am game.


My definition and attitude towards fandom have changed through the years.  Before, I always thought a fan was someone who supported the team through thick and thin.  Now, I believe a fan is someone who enjoys watching said team.  No more, no less.


Lets face facts here, we all want to say we are going to be fans of the Wings for life.  Things change.  Teams change.  In another 20 years, this team may be the dead things again.  Then most of us will go elsewhere and be fans of other teams.  Some may stick around through the thin times, but I don't blame anyone who won't support a team that has a major downturn. 


I know many Chicago fans that stopped supporting the Blackhawks because of what the previous owners were doing to the team.  The blackouts, bad business decisions, and really just giving a big middle finger to the fans was a tough pill to swallow.  Many just abandoned the Blackhawks and supported other teams.  When the owner passed away and his son took over, he made major changes that brought the fans back.


These days, fandom isn't forever.  People change.  Sports clubs change.  We all won't be Wings fans for life.  Some of us may stick with the team, but I don't have an issue with people moving on from one team to support another.


Be a fan of whatever team you would like.  Support the right team with your time and money.  Thats what it all comes down to.

#2591824 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Nightfall on 09 April 2015 - 10:13 PM

I figured you were hiding because the goaltending was too poor to defend.

Or because I support the refs more often than I am against them?

No to either of those.

I just prefer to discuss hockey and the red Wings in a more constructive light with members who know what they are talking about. This forum, sadly, has jumped the shark.

#2591817 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Nightfall on 09 April 2015 - 10:05 PM

It's one thing if the Wings were a fringe playoff team all season, but they were'nt. They were challenging for the Conference. Then the past month and a half they became a disaster. It's to be expected that fans will feel this way.

If it was just this I would be ok with that. It is every little thing though and its just about all negative.

Holland is a joke.
Smith sucks.
Erickson sucks.
Babcock should be fired.
Tank it!

On and on it goes. The record gets played so much here it is getting old. Part of the reason why I went elsewhere and why I will keep my visits sporadic.

#2591779 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Nightfall on 09 April 2015 - 09:41 PM

I enjoy the cantina atmosphere.


I just imagine the forum members that are all negative as people like Greedo or the guy who got the death sentence on 12 systems.  :D


At least the positive forum members here don't end up dead.  They just walk out like Han Solo did after shooting Greedo.  Usually headed off to greener pastures.  :D

#2591765 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Nightfall on 09 April 2015 - 09:36 PM

There are more positive things being said about the Wings in opposing teams' subreddits. I love this forum, I think there are a lot of intelligent people and the moderation is on point but lately, it's been so negative. Do you guys realize that we at currently complaining that we don't like the WAY that our team clinched for the 24th year in a row? That's ridiculous and entitled and spoiled. This team is not "average at best" they are better than average as proven by their record this year. I have not been alive long enough to see them miss the playoffs. Think about that and then put yourselves in the shoes of literally ever other team and try to imagine behaving the same way as you are now.
It is 100% understandable to be critical of aspects of the team play, but to claim the sky is falling after every loss or bad goal is completely absurd. I'm sorry, I love you guys but it's disheartening to see so many "fans" express more hatred toward their own players than they do to the Hawks. We're better than this.


This is part of the reason why I went elsewhere.  This place really has turned into Mos Eisley Spaceport of Wings fans.  

#2591758 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Nightfall on 09 April 2015 - 09:35 PM

I'm starting Mrazek against Carolina on Saturday, might be a must win for 3rd spot


Heck, I am starting Mrazek for the playoffs if its my choice.  The kid is a winner at every level he has played at.  If the Wings are going to crash and burn this year like 90% of LGW members think they are, may as well put Mrazek in so he can learn a tough lesson about the playoffs and come back stronger next season.

#2591745 4/9/15 GDT Red Wings 3 @ Canadiens 4 *Warning post #888 & 906*

Posted by Nightfall on 09 April 2015 - 09:31 PM

Two former NHL goaltenders on FSN disagree with you


Other analysts agree with me.  So who is right here?


Answer:  Who gives a crap.


The result is in the books.  Keep bitching about the bad goal all you want and siding with analysts that you agree with.  Jimmy Howard has a lot to play for in these playoffs.  In his time here in Detroit, he has only advanced to the 2nd round 1 time.  All other times have been 1st round exits.  Now, its a "put up or shut up" year IMHO.  I would focus more on that personally than a deflected shot that Jimmy would have stopped if it didn't go off of his own defenseman's stick 15 feet in front of the goal.