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#2491018 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Nightfall on 05 March 2014 - 05:11 PM

I don't get it either and I don't see how people can say he will be useful to us in next 3 years...


I don't see how people can say with certainty that Jarnkrok won't be the useful to us in the next 3 years either. 

#2490940 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Nightfall on 05 March 2014 - 04:51 PM

Well we got s*** and gave up possible stars...


Have anything to backup that statement and continue the discussion or you going to keep talking out of your ass?


IMHO, Legwand is a proven NHL player, and not crap.  Maybe you could explain why you consider Legwand to be crap.

#2490938 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Nightfall on 05 March 2014 - 04:50 PM


While I agree many of us overrate our own prospects, Jarnkrok is the best center prospect in our entire system.


Unless he's going to Sweden for sure next year, I don't think it really matters what Legwand does or not. We should have been able to get him with another prospect instead.


Wow, really?  I think Sheahan is much better to be honest.  Then we have guys that haven't even made it to the AHL to consider that have a much better upside than him.

#2490904 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Nightfall on 05 March 2014 - 04:40 PM

Says who?!?! Jarnkrok has been our top prospect for years until Mantha came. Per THN and RWC. This year he struggled but even then they were saying his potential landed him between Filppula and Zetterberg and his floor was Legwand.


Says hockey prospects website.  Besides, we have had better prospects in the system that have actually panned out.  Nyquist and Tatar come to mind.  Pulkkinen comes to mind as well who is actually tearing it up as a member of the Griffins.  I am not saying that Jarnkrok isn't a good prospect, but just that people here are putting him up on a pedestal as being the best prospect we have, and thats disingenuous.

#2490871 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Nightfall on 05 March 2014 - 04:30 PM

And now the phase begins where Wings fans lie to themselves and play UP Jarnkroks skill and potential to disguise this as a horrible trade.


Fixed it for you.


We have way too many people thinking that Jarnkrok was a top tier talented prospect.  The fact of the matter is that he wasn't.  He was a above average rated prospect with a C level probability of success.  I have watched this guy in Grand Rapids, and while he is good, he isn't elite by any stretch of the imagination. 

#2454962 What would you do?...

Posted by Nightfall on 18 November 2013 - 09:09 AM

Hrm....what would I do?


Well, if I am the coach, I would play the players that Holland got for me.


If I am Holland, I would be kicking myself as to why I signed Cleary.  I mean, why when you already have a glut of forwards that are committed?  I just don't understand.  Aside from that, he has made the right moves in waiving Tootoo and Eaves.  I really don't think that we will see Nyquist in Detroit this season because of the salary cap and Nyquist still is eligible to play in the AHL.  Nyquist knows he will get his chance, like Tatar did.  He had to wait a couple years, and even help the Griffins win the Calder cup.  Nyquist is a professional, and understands what is going on.  Its frustrating probably, but at the same time he is providing leadership and setting an example for the young Griffins players.  You can't put a price tag on that.

#2442758 Will young talent ever speak out against Wings philosophy?

Posted by Nightfall on 08 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

Isn't that what we are doing now?


I'm not sure I understand what you are wanting from them. We only have 2 players that legitimately could be replaced by younger players and it make a difference...Cleary and Sammy. Who else do you want to see a young player take a spot from? 


I am still waiting for someone to answer this question.  Aside from Cleary and Sammy, I can't think of anyone else that i would like to see a young player take a spot from.  Maybe Bert.....maybe.....

#2442345 10/5 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4

Posted by Nightfall on 05 October 2013 - 08:23 PM

I love it.  Dats coughs the puck up, and everyone on the forum board blames anyone but Dats.

#2441196 10/2 GDT : Sabres 1 at Red Wings 2

Posted by Nightfall on 02 October 2013 - 09:43 PM

It was a solid win.


Wings outshot the Sabres 34-20

Wings killed some key penalties

Wings power play looked solid and had a lot of chances

Miller played solid, and thats why the Sabres only lost 2-1


I know many here wanted to see a 10-0 shutout, but the Sabres are still a professional team.  There are no guaranteed wins.

#2436242 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by Nightfall on 12 September 2013 - 02:01 PM

I have always been a strong supporter of the Wings management.  Now I am seriously questioning their judgement?  Why sign Cleary?  They already are $750,000 or so over the cap.  They had options, but none were very bad.  Worst case they send Nyquist down if everyone was healthy.  As it turns out now, they are $2.5 million over the cap and now have another player to be concerned with.  What a debacle.

#2433149 Red Wings 2013 Season Preview at 4pm today on SiriusXM NHL Network Rad

Posted by Nightfall on 13 August 2013 - 07:12 AM

They had Ken Kal on for the first part.  He talked about the signings of Weiss and Alfredsson.  Then they talked about the rest of the team.

They pulled out some good stats out, such as Dats scoring over 40% of the Red Wings goals through the shortened seasons.  Thats just unbelievable.


Finally, they predicted the Wings would finish 3rd in the conference.  It could go as high as 2nd if the Wings secondary scoring picked up.  It could go as low as 6th or 7th if they have similar struggles to last season.  Either way, they predict the Wings are playoff bound next season.

#2432013 Pierre McGuire's past that NBC doesn't want you to know about

Posted by Nightfall on 30 July 2013 - 08:12 PM


He's not respected by the players, even today. I think that says it all. 




He is more respected than you think.


Uh...OK.  That statements not hypocritical at all, lol.  Who here would even care if he had a drug problem in his past.  I'd probably rather someone who used to have a drug problem than someone who used to be (and may still be)  a complete nut and threw temper tantrums all the time.


Only hypocritical if you actually believe it.  I am just saying that I would at least understand if people hated Mcguire if he did those things.  Personally, I don't give a crap.  Its easy to judge people and I don't spend time doing that.

#2431954 Pierre McGuire's past that NBC doesn't want you to know about

Posted by Nightfall on 30 July 2013 - 12:45 PM

I think the thing to take away from this was that he was a bad coach, or that it was a bad fit for him from the Whalers.  How many of us have been in a job where we were not respected or where the management or employees didn't like us?  I think all of us have been in a situation like that at least once if you have been in the workforce.  Pierre is now a respected analyst who is on TSN, NHL Network, and has a gig on NBC.  Sure, not everyone likes him but I think he does a decent job.  Hell, I think that he is less biased than Eddie.  The fans who want homer announcers aren't going to like him.


As for his past, who cares.  So he did a bad job as a coach, or it wasn't a good fit.  Its not like he had a drug problem or raped someone.

#2431876 Rule 48: not working as planned.

Posted by Nightfall on 29 July 2013 - 09:52 PM

After reading four pages of discussion, I can say that I agree with some points here.  They should be penalizing the hits, not the result of the hits.  They should be reviewing these hits after every game, and make the penalties stiffer.  At the same time though, I go back to my refereeing experience and say that its not that easy.  As fans of the games, we love the big bone crushing hits.  We love to see Kronwalled players fall on their asses after being hit.  With the speed of the game as it is now, we aren't going to see a reduction in the amount of concussions unless we change the game.


Case in point, as a USA Hockey ref that has refereed up to AAA hockey, there is a hit to the head rule there as well.  In the course of a game, without review there seem to be 2-3 contact to the head penalties called per game.  That is just what the referee sees.  Now imagine how many there could be with video.  Point is that there are many hits that go to the head in every game in the NHL as well.  Some go called, and others don't.  If they are going to start calling every game more strict, then the game is going to change.


Players will be more hesitant before hitting.  Checking is going to be a lot more cautious.  We won't see as many checks because of the fear of being suspended.  I have zero problem with going that route.  You see that in youth hockey when players are starting to hit.  None of them are charging all over the ice hitting everything because there is a certain sense of being careful that they still have.


I think better helmets would help matters out a lot.  Mandatory visors and mouthguards are also huge too.  The owners want to protect their million dollar investment?  What about investing in better equipment that all players have to wear?  No more wearing pads they have had for 20 years.


Just my .02 cents.....


Yep, it does.  And the NHL has definitely not suspended any star players recently.  Except Kris Letang, Alex Ovechkin, Mike Green, Shane Doan, Jeff Skinner, Duncan Keith (twice), James Neal, Nicklas Backstrom, Claude Girouix, Dustin Brown, Alex Edler, Taylor Hall, Joffrey Lupul, and Corey Perry. 


All of these guys were suspended in the last two seasons.  It is an absolute joke to think that the NHL won't suspend stars, or that they're otherwise immune from punishment.  If you do the crime, you do the time more often then not.  Do they miss one occasionally?  Sure.  But there is no "star bias". 




Agreed.  Just last season alone they hit a good number of "star players" with suspensions.

#2427803 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by Nightfall on 05 July 2013 - 09:43 PM

Keep telling yourself that.....you'll be a #1 center someday too. So you're saying talent means nothing, as long as you get along with your teammates?


I don't think anyone is in a position to say if a change of scenery will make Flip a better player or not.  Chemistry is just as important as talent.  I wouldn't be surprised one way or the other.  If I was a betting man though, I would say that Flip doesn't do well in Tampa Bay.