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Bobrovsky for Howard straight up. If they throw Panarin in there, we'll promise to give them Abdelkader and Nielsen in return. Three players in exchange for two.

Fake news media is after Bobrovsky now. Well, Howard has actually won a playoff series before, so maybe they'll want to actually advance this season past the first round.

I assume you are telling me the fix is in for a non-Wing to get the spot? Also saying "Bless your heart" can be interpreted multiple ways down here...LOL

Most of those aren't really "busts" though, relative to where they were taken in the draft. Kindl and Smith were the only 1st round defensemen in the past 15 years, and even they played over 300 games each. If Cholowski has a similar career as either of these guys, it would be a huge disappointment for sure, but I still wouldn't really consider him a "bust". A little over half of the players selected in the 20-30 range go on to successful NHL careers. Quincey had a great career for a 4th round pick. Lashoff had a solid career for an undrafted defenseman. Ouellet and Sproul never panned out, but less than half of 2nd rounders do. Marchenko had a great little career for a 7th round pick. Russo was a 4th round pick, that we traded for using a 3rd round pick. The chance of him panning out was always slim. Sambrook was a 5th round pick, which rarely pan out in any meaningful way, but he's still only 20 years old. Who knows, he may still play a short time in the NHL. Granted, not likely with the Red Wings... Up until the past few years, we've never really had the opportunity to draft high enough to get any real impact players. We're finally starting to draft higher and more frequent in the first couple rounds, so I think (hope), we'll get a few high end players in the next few drafts, as well as the last couple...

Russians...so enigmatic.

Well thank God there is no time machine for 2014...

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Posted this in the 2019 Draft thread, but it might be more relevant here:

Love it.

Agreed. It's a bummer he can't turn the corner. Had me and then you lost me... My threads are epic, bruh

With the ROW info added into the current true-up with assumptions above .... Hello Mr Hughes welcome to Detroit !!! See folks we are super close to winning the jackpot! Now we need POSITIVE vibes from everyone to make it a reality. I hope we have 31st in hand before I go see the Wings play the last game of the year. Would be crappy to root against them on my annual trip to MI

Howard is not a quality starter? The exception being the All Star game of course. Stop bringing data into the argument. I am feeling Swiss today.

I agree to an extent. I agree that elite players are elite no matter who you play them with. Connor McDavid currently has 63 points in 42 games playing in between Zack Kassian and Jujhar Khaira (Who?)... I consider Larkin to be a very good top line center, but I wouldn't consider him elite. Not yet anyway. However, putting a couple competent wingers on his line could put him in the conversation in a few years. Players like Larkin are going to need some help to get there. If he does end up playing with two high end wingers over the next few seasons, and explodes offensively, I'm not going to discredit him, just because he finally has players to play with (not saying this is what you're saying).

Incidentally, the Wings have cracked the bottom 5: https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league F*** the Senators. F***ing dinguses are going to gift the f***ing Avs a franchise player.

I don't know what's worse, Helms stone hands or Manthas glass ones.